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    Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    On another MGTOW board, I had to rebut a holocaust denier post. The provable reality is that the Nazi Party did some awful things, including setting up death camps. In most camps, most of the new arrivals were immediately gassed to death. Some, however, who were deemed work-worthy were temporarily spared death and kept on work detail. Then they were basically worked to death. That was the format of most camps.

    However, there are some camps that were primarily for political dissidents. In these camps, they were not immediately murdered, but instead were worked under inhumane conditions, though probably somewhat less inhumane than the other camps. This is a fact exploited by holocaust deniers. They'll point to one of these camps to "prove" that the camps were simply for political opponents and were not death camps. They conveniently leave out the fact that different camps had different purposes. Auschwitz, for example, was primarily an extermination camp. It did do some other things besides that. It was also where Joseph Mengele conducted his cruel medical experiments on humans.

    I would also like to point out that accepting the reality of the holocaust is not the same thing as being pro zionist. Zionism is a belief in Jewish supremacy and thus their divine right to do anything they want in the so-called sacred land of Israel. Zionism is a cult. It is garbage. I'm not anti-Semitic but I'm not pro-Zionist either. I neither hate not worship the Jews. They're just people like anyone else. They do good things and they screw some things up, just like anyone else. The country of Israel has done some really fucked up things that have hurt a lot of people. I don't want to itemize them all, but you can look them up. I'm frustrated that so many American politicians want to be Israel's bitch, and support them no matter what they do. Fuck that. We don't owe them anything. But we give them 50 billion every 4 years. Meanwhile, we have a shit ton of poverty in the US and everyone doesn't have access to health care.

    In short, I would be very skeptical of anyone who wants you to:
    1. Hate the Jews and accuses them of a grand conspiracy
    2. Worship the Jews, making them out to be some kind of chosen people

    Fuck either one of those. I don't hate them. But I don't owe them anything either.
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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    I've never understood how anyone can see any good in Hitler and the Nazi's. They were the scum of the fucking earth. But in American prisons, it looks like the Nazi's are still number one. Least in the eyes of the white trash.

    An American fighter pilot flying for the RAF put it this way. He goes "I didn't dislike the Germans, I hated the sons a bitch's. I'd take a small risk to kill one of them, but if I could kill a hundred, I'd take a big chance to do that."

    I'm OK with Germans, it's Nazi's I don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    I've never understood how anyone can see any good in Hitler and the Nazi's. They were the scum of the fucking earth. But in American prisons, it looks like the Nazi's are still number one. Least in the eyes of the white trash.

    An American fighter pilot flying for the RAF put it this way. He goes "I didn't dislike the Germans, I hated the sons a bitch's. I'd take a small risk to kill one of them, but if I could kill a hundred, I'd take a big chance to do that."

    I'm OK with Germans, it's Nazi's I don't like.
    The Nazis were incredibly skilled at marketing their brand. All of those parades, rallies, flags, flashy uniforms, all that shit was a marketing plan, or you could call it propaganda. I recommend watching the Nazi propaganda film, Triumph of the Will. It makes Hitler and the Nazis out to be great people building up a great country. It's scary to see how well an evil cause can be package to look like it's great.

    Some people to this day I think still get caught up in the Nazi propaganda and therefore want to overlook the evil that that party did. That's why they're out to convince people that the Holocaust never happened or that it wasn't as bad as they say.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    However, there are some camps that were primarily for political dissidents. In these camps, they were not immediately murdered, but instead were worked under inhumane conditions, though probably somewhat less inhumane than the other camps. This is a fact exploited by holocaust deniers. They'll point to one of these camps to "prove" that the camps were simply for political opponents and were not death camps. They conveniently leave out the fact that different camps had different purposes.
    It baffles me how some people operate like this, I remember many years ago watching a video where some well known holocaust denier was taken around Auschwitz and he was still trying to claim it was all fake etc.
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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    Yes, and I find it strange that we even have to point these things out. Nazis are bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post

    In short, I would be very skeptical of anyone who wants you to:
    1. Hate the Jews and accuses them of a grand conspiracy
    2. Worship the Jews, making them out to be some kind of chosen people
    Although that would include all Christians and Jews. Not the "worship" part, but the "chosen people" part.

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    I will say one thing for the neo-Nazis: They seem to be right about certain government claims being false about the Holocaust, especially about the supposed gas chamber that has a flimsy door with thin glass and big gaps all around it, untouched since the time of the supposed gassings. Anyone being gassed in that room could have broken the door and window down completely without effort, therefore government claims about the Holocaust are provably a lie in some cases. Having said that, I can't believe anyone could see Hitler as anything other than psychotic and evil, and I believe most of the Holocaust claims are true.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

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    Conspiracy theories are usually a sign of learned helplessness. Conspiracy theories about 911, for example, allow people to believe that someone competent is really in charge and not buffoons, and that religious extremists don't want to kill their neighbor. Conspiracy theories are an American speciality since there is an expectation of comfort from decades of prosperity -- if something is uncomfortable, just deny reality.
    These statements seriously rub me the wrong way. I believe exactly the opposite is true, *especially* for 9/11 (not "911," by the way). If you do any serious research into 9/11 you should be absolutely convinced that something *very* big and *very* clandestine was going on that day that was either not accurately reported in the media, or was not reported at all. There were literally hundreds of unbelievable anomalies in *everything* that happened that day, from Shanksville to DC, from engineering impossibilities to aircraft flight impossibilities to cell phone impossibilities, provable presence of paid actors being interviewed, proof that released passport photos were Photoshopped, assassinations of eye witnesses who claimed they saw something they weren't supposed to see, ad infinitum. If you don't know this then you simply haven't done any serious research into it, sorry. I can provide numerous quotes and references if anybody is interested.

    Furthermore, the term "conspiracy theory" itself doesn't even make much sense. There is provably a "superclass" of the super wealthy, so there do exist people fully capable and fully interested in carrying out such conspiracies *but* the word "conspiracy" is meaningless, because (as Noam Chomsky pointed out) those people will tend to be doing the same things as each other whether or not they communicated with each other about it, because they have the same goals, values, style, and resources. Therefore, whether a "conspiracy" was actually present or not is completely moot. What *is* relevant is that official claims by the U.S. government are provably false, therefore whatever actually happened *must* have a different explanation that what the public was told. To call alternative explanations "conspiracy theories" is just ignorant. Objective science would merely call such explanations "hypotheses," and would then attempt to find if any of them were impossible, or provable. Objectively, the specifics of who believes what is irrelevant in an objective analysis. So far only the official claims are provably impossible. Furthermore, GPP-ers (Global Political Paradigm believers, which you mislabel "conspiracy theorists") are notoriously learned, often with incredible memories for dates and facts that they can recite instantly, so to call their knowledge "learned helplessness" is outrageously false. Bill Deagle, Alex Jones, and Al Bielek are some examples of such extremely learned people with great memory, and in one case true photographic memory. In fact, the person who is most denying reality is a person like you who can't accept that there exist wealthy, connected people who care nothing about human life in their quest for money and power.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    Anyone who is a holocaust denier is uneducated at best and a moron at worst.

    The undeniable evidence is there for anyone to see. There are, for example, films of General Dwight D. Eisenhower and General Omar Bradley AND General George S. Patton as they toured the death camps, with thousands upon thousands of stinking, rotting bodies piled up everywhere.

    Martial Law was usually declared locally and the German civilians in the local towns were forced to march thru the death camps before the bodies were buried in mass graves.

    PS: The Nazi S.S. murdered not only 6 million Jews, they also murdered millions of gypsies, homosexuals, liberals, Poles, retarded citizens, and communists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    The phrase "doing research" (a.k.a. searching on Google) seriously rubs me the wrong way lol
    You must like books, then. OK, here you go...

    ----------

    (p. xiv)
    By posing the idea of the existence of a superclass, some key ques-
    tions emerge. The most obvious is: how big is it? Using the above
    parameters and combining systematically through publicly available re-
    sources, my researchers and I identified just over 6,000 people who
    qualify. As will become clear, it is a choice based on natural cutoff
    points, providing us with a group that is both small enough to analyze
    in some rational way and large enough to encompass all the core inter-
    national communities from politics, business, the military, and the world
    of ideas needed for it to be representative of the most important
    sources of power.
    The most common question I have been asked since undertaking
    this book is: Is there a list? As it happens, there is. Many people have
    suggested I publish it--partly because people love lists, but mostly be-
    cause many of those who are members of the superclass or who aspire
    to be are interested in seeing who is "in" and who is not. But publish-
    ing such a list would be an exercise in futility. The day after it was pub-
    lished, it would be obsolete. As I noted earlier, power is transient:
    Many members of the superclass qualify because of jobs they hold, but
    people come and go from such jobs. Some retire, some die. Others suf-
    fer financial or professional calamities. Some members of the group are
    each year disposed. Others are incarcerated. For these reasons, I have
    attempted to include a few sublists to illustrate the overall nature of the
    group, but I have done so with the clear recognition that I am painting
    a picture of a moving object.

    (p. xv)
    The reality is that the combined net worth of the world's richest
    thousand or so people--the planet's billionaires--is almost twice that
    of the poorest 2.5 billion. The human race may have made great prog-
    ress over the centuries, but such disparities are an indictment of our
    civilization. And, I believe, they are a threat to its stability.

    (p. 31)
    For the purpose of this book, however, I am focused on the group
    that illustrates this paradigm as it applies to international influence,
    rather than simply wealth or achievements in a particular field of
    endeavor. Roman Abramovich--Russian oligarch, Siberian governor,
    and owner of the UK's Chelsea Football Club--is one of these elite.
    Eighty-three-year-old Birgit Rausing, worth $11 billion thanks to her
    husband's Swedish packaging company Tetra Laval but living quietly in
    Switzerland, probably is not. Colombian rock star Shakira is one. All
    but a tiny handful of the world's most famous movie stars are not.
    Mukesh Ambani--chief executive of India's Reliance Industries and
    one of the world's richest men--is certainly one, as is his billionaire
    brother Anil. Margaret Thatcher, Mikhail Gorbachev, Carlos Menem,
    and Mahathir bin Mohammad were members of the group but aren't
    any longer. But former members like Kee Kuan Yew, Bill Clinton, and
    Henry Kissinger, who have maintained their international influence,
    certainly are. Osama bin Laden is one. Cherie Blair, Tony Blair's accom-
    plished wife, probably was but now, with Blair no longer the British
    prime minister, no longer is. Hundreds of Chinese who are not super-
    class members today almost certainly will be soon. Only a tiny handful
    of people living in all of sub-Saharan Africa currently make the list.
    Each one is one in a million. Of six billion people on the planet,
    there are approximately six thousand of them. You can name them in
    every field of human endeavor. Some are easy to spot: top government
    leaders from countries that are internationally active, the ones with the
    kind of political, economic, or resource leverage to influence others.
    Military leaders from those few dozens of countries with the ability to
    effectively project force across their borders. The key executives and
    active shareholders of the world's two thousand leading corporations.
    (p. 32)
    Many of the planet's roughly one thousand billionaires. Dot-com whiz
    kids. Chinese cowboy capitalists. Arab sheikhs. The giants of Wall
    Street, London, and other financial capitals. Extraordinary influen-
    tial artists, scientists, academics, and writers. Leaders of the world's
    religions.

    Rothkopf, David. 2008. Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They are Making. New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux.

    ----------

    (p. 45)
    By 2010, some in the Ruling Class felt confident
    enough to dispense with the charade. Asked what in
    the Constitution allows Congress and the president
    to force every American to purchase health insur-
    ance, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi replied: "Are you
    kidding? Are you kidding?" It's no surprise, then,
    that lower court judges and bureaucrats take liber-
    ties with laws, regulations, and contracts. That's why
    legal words that say you are in the right avail you less
    in today's American than being on the side of right of
    the persons who decide what they want those words
    to mean.

    (p. 46)
    Since marriage is the family's fertile seed, govern-
    ment at all levels, along with "mainstream" academics
    and media, have waged war on it. They legislate,
    regulate, and exhort in support not of "the family"--
    meaning married parents raising children--but rather
    of "families," meaning mostly households based on
    something other than marriage. The institution of
    no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between
    cohabitation and marriage, except that husbands are
    (p. 47)
    held financially responsible for the children they father,
    while out-of-wedlock fathers are not. The tax code
    penalizes marriage and forces those married couples
    who raise their own children to subsidize childcare
    for those who do not. Top Republicans and Demo-
    crats have also led society away from the very notion
    of marital fidelity by precept, as well as by parading
    their affairs. For example, in 1997, the Democratic
    administration's secretary of defense and the Repub-
    lican Senate's majority leader (joined by the New York
    Times et al.) condemned the military's practice of pun-
    ishing officers who had extramarital affairs. While the
    military had assumed that honoring marital vows is
    as fundamental to the integrity of its units as it is
    to that of society, consensus at the top declared that
    insistence on fidelity is "contrary to societal norms."
    Not surprisingly, rates of marriage in American have
    decreased as out-of-wedlock births have increased.
    The biggest demographic consequence has been that
    about one in five of all households are women alone
    or with children, in which case they have about a four
    in ten chance of living in poverty. Since unmarried
    mothers often are or expect to be clients of govern-
    ment services, it is not surprising that they are among
    the Democratic Party's most faithful voters.

    Codevilla, Angelo M. 2010. The Ruling Class: How They Corrupted America and What We Can Do About It. New York: NY: Beaufort Books.

    ----------

    (p. 3)
    For most of human history, mankind has lived under the command of
    the Ruling Class. Sometimes those in charge did a good job, some-
    times not, but the ever-present temptation for those with power to
    seek even more has always been there. As a result, most people who
    have ever lived have had very little control of even the most rudimentary
    aspects of their lives. Their occupations have been determined largely
    by what their parents did. Their marriages have either been arranged,
    or their choice in partners has been limited severely by their unchange-
    able social standing. Their day-to-day activities have not been a matter
    of choice but have instead been driven by necessity, custom, and the
    dictates of their overlords. More than 90 percent of the roughly hun-
    dred billion people who have ever been born have lived out their lives
    in fear: fear of dying from starvation, illness, accident, war, or as help-
    less victims of a totalitarian ruler. Even today, only about a third of the
    (p. 4)
    world's population live in democratic countries, and, for most of these,
    the freedoms they experience are only a heavily watered-down version of
    what many take for granted in America.
    History provides a few short-lived examples where mankind has exper-
    imented with individual freedom. More commonly, there has been a ruler
    or a ruling class that seizes power by offering citizens a better life, through
    free food, health care, or other services their government can supply, or
    a solution to real or imagined problems of the moment. These problems
    usually are manufactured issues involving either a vague, potential threat
    that can't really be detailed and solved easily (for example, "The crops
    may fail," or global warming), or issues of conflict with other groups (such
    as tribalism or racism). The reason the ruler needs to manufacture these
    problems is that the society needs to be focused only on what the ruler
    wants and not distracted by their lack of freedoms or individuality. This
    keeps the "great unwashed masses" in line, peaceful, and accepting of the
    current ruling class. These rulers' ascension depends ultimately on the as-
    sumed superiority of the ruling class to make all the rules the people must
    follow and on their subjects' acceptance of a society without freedoms.

    (p. 7)
    And if all else failed, hideous punishment awaited those who defied
    the narrative of the Ruling Class. Ancient rules roasted whole families
    alive in metal ovens shaped like a bull. Crucifixion was developed as a
    slow, tortuous death. Treason was so heinous a crime that painful death
    was not enough: the traitor was hanged, cut down alive, drawn and quar-
    tered, and forced to watch his own bowels burn in front of him as he bled
    to death. Heretics were burned at the stake, for it was believed that the
    flames would expunge not only their lives but also their evil thoughts.

    (p. 119)
    America's school system is failing our children. One in five students
    don't even graduate from high school, a figure that rises to roughly
    one in three among underprivileged groups such as African Amer-
    icans. International comparisons are dreadful. The United States
    spends more on primary and secondary education and gets a far lower
    return than our global competitors do. This harms our competitiveness
    in the world, reduces opportunity, and leads to increased inequality, as
    those who are behind fall even further behind as they progress through
    school.
    Worse, the trends in student performance indicate that this failure is
    accelerating. The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Devel-
    opment (OECD) regularly analyzes the proficiency of fifteen-year-old
    students in math, science, and reading across its thirty-four member
    countries. In 2009, America ranked twenty-fifth in math, seventeenth
    (p. 129)
    in science, and twelfth in reading, slipping to twenty-seventh in math,
    twentieth in science, and seventeenth in reading by 2012.
    And these poor results are not from lack of money spent. In fact,
    the US government spends more on education than nearly every other
    country: A 2011 OECD report on national education budgets found
    that, according for cost and living differences, the United States spent
    the fourth most of any country on its primary and secondary school
    students--32 percent more than average for primary school and 37 per-
    cent more than average for secondary school--less than only Luxem-
    bourg, Norway, and Switzerland. And for all that extra money, we came
    in at or near the bottom of the charts in terms of student performance.

    (p. 129)
    So, parents and their children clearly benefit, and taxpayers clearly
    benefit. The Ruling Class response, however, is that parents do not know
    what is best for their kids. This is the same as the Ruling Class's view
    about the rest of us: they know best. Their highly credentialed resumes
    combined with their supposedly higher intelligence mean that they
    should control the education of the nation's children--not parents. But
    their belief in their own superiority in making decisions hides the real
    reason for denying choice in education: power. The political coziness
    between the teachers unions--which are eager to drive up costs and pro-
    tect incompetent teachers--and the Ruling Class is obvious. If there is
    any place where the grip of the Ruling Class needs to be broken, it is on
    their control of education.

    (p. 140)
    If you listen carefully to speeches given by leaders of the Ruling Class,
    facts are remarkably scarce. Consider the press conference that Presi-
    dent Obama held in Paris in November 2015 after a crazed gunman
    attacked an abortion clinic in Colorado. "Things like this don't happen
    in other countries," he said, to drive home his call for more gun control
    in America. There was no sense of irony in his statement, and the Rul-
    ing Class media didn't object. But there in Paris, the president was stand-
    ing within a few miles of where 130 people had been gunned down by a
    group of Muslim extremists associated with ISIS just a few days before.

    (p. 141)
    Their argument is not based on facts or analysis; it is entirely emo-
    tional. It is driven by the generic Ruling Class claim "Give us more
    money, give us more resources, and we will solve your problems." The
    trouble is, their "solutions" are ineffective at best; often the problem
    persists, and many times it gets worse. This book has shown that to be
    the case with their attempts to reduce inequality, manage America's fi-
    nances, take over the public education systems, and fix our deteriorating
    infrastructure. But once their failure is obvious, the Ruling Class argue
    that they just weren't given enough power or enough resources; that they
    need even more.

    Lindsey, Lawrence B. 2016. Conspiracies of the Ruling Class: How to Break Their Grip Forever. New York, NY: Simon & Schuster.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    As a student of history (BA with Honours), it doesn't surprise me that many people are ignorant of it. I also found that some people get very offended when you point out low points in the history of their country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDudeski McGee View Post
    I'm not sure what all of that is suppose to prove;
    You made some outrageously false claims, and I corrected them. The best you could do while you were losing the debate was to fire back with an ignorant, lazy, unresearched, snarky Millennial style 1-liner with a "lol" tacked on the end, further demonstrating you didn't do any research since you insinuated that I just use Google, which if you had looked at my earlier posts, you would have seen that I stated just a few posts ago that I do not use Google. Since you ridiculed my four Internet references (found on YouTube, by the way, not Google, which somehow you didn't seem to understand) I then posted three more references from books, which I'll bet you did not look at any more than you did my YouTube references or my own posts. At that point you couldn't seem to, or maybe pretended not to, to be able to follow the logic of the thread.

    Don't you know anything about debate? Everybody has an opinion, so opinions are useless unless backed up by facts, much preferably with references. It's just science: without facts, it's just a lot of hot air being pushed around with no progress being made since there is no provable connection to reality. You ridiculed every reference I posted, and I've done hundreds of hours of research, and you ridiculed others who have done *thousands* of hours of research and written books, and after all that ridicule you couldn't even post a single reference of your own, not even from lowly "Google." Are you even capable of doing any research yourself, or are you all mouth, criticizing those who have when you can't even provide a single reference?

    I once tutored a 10-year-old kid who could write a better essay than you can, and he was in *elementary* school. Maybe you don't have *any* education at all? I hope someone else in this forum can hold an informed, intelligent discussion, and isn't so lazy that they can't do some research, because I don't see that you can do any of that. If not, I'm going to get bored and fed up with this forum real fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    Zionism is a belief in Jewish supremacy and thus their divine right to do anything they want in the so-called sacred land of Israel.
    It goes rather further than that. Judaism teaches that the other races - the goyim - will be made slaves of the Jews when the messiach comes. Some rabbis have taught that non-jews lack the "divine spark" - like any tribal people, their religion teaches that anyone not us is not human at all, and doesn't have a soul.

    It's a religion. There's a heap of crazy stuff in it.

    Is it some kind of grand conspiracy?

    Here in Australia, there was a problem with someone in the supply chain putting sewing needles in the strawberries. Eventually, it was traced back to a chinese woman working at a fruit packing plant. Someone who had asked to be let into the country as a guest,and who had been admitted.

    Why would she do such a thing? Why would she put sewing needles in the strawberries?

    Because she had been taught from birth that China was the best, that China and the CCP should rule the world, that The West was corrupt and decadent and rotten and deserved to fall. No government official had to order her to sabotage the Australian strawberry industry. She didn't have to conspire with anyone. She had been raised a good communist - she knew what to do without needing to be told.

    There's no conspiracy. There's a culture. A race. An identity. Every chinese citizen is an enemy of everyone who isn't. They are raised that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    I've never understood how anyone can see any good in Hitler and the Nazi's.
    The Nazi Party was a socialist worker's party. They stood against tall-hatted capitalists and the nobility, notable by their big germanic eagle-wing moustaches. That's why Hilter wore a neat little working man's moustache. In Mein Kampf, Hitler states that the german ruling classes were wrong to ignore the demands of the workers, which were quite reasonable: and end to child labour, safety rails on the machines.

    The average german worker liked nazism because nazism was pro the worker - or at least claimed to be. They also rather liked the idea of repudiating the WWI war reparations.

    Things like the Aryan breeding program and the death camps are just plain commie. It's obviously the same stuff. The idea that european fascism and socialism are opposites is a Big Lie. The thing that gives fascism its name - the fasces - is a bundle of bound-together sticks with an axe. It symbolises democracy, anti-monarchy and anti-clericalism. It means "the people, united, should rule".

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    Quote Originally Posted by L.G. Brandon View Post
    I once tutored a 10-year-old kid who could write a better essay than you can, and he was in *elementary* school. Maybe you don't have *any* education at all?
    Knock it off. I have awarded an infraction for this. If you make a habit of it, you will begin receiving bans.

    (I see from my other posts on this thread that I really need a hat for posting and a different one for modding).

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    two things.

    history - his story - who writes the history books? The winners of wars. So history is by nature biased. That doesn't mean something didn't happen but it generally means a painted picture of perfect duality - "we were right and great and perfect and they were evil and wrong" and reality is nondual in nature, we live in a world of greys, not black or white.

    Conspiracy theories, 9/11 etc...they say a picture tells a thousand words.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    For a view of the actual goals of the Nazi Party and its backers, read: The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II Paperback – March 15, 2013

    by Viktor Suvorov (Author) Amazon

    Bestselling author Victor Suvorov probes newly released Soviet documents and reevaluates existing material to analyze Stalin's strategic design to conquer Europe and the reasons behind his controversial support for Nazi Germany. A former Soviet army intelligence officer, the author explains that Stalin's strategy leading up to World War II grew from Vladimir Lenin's belief that if World War I did not ignite the worldwide Communist revolution, then a second world war would be needed to achieve it. Stalin saw Nazi Germany as the power that would fight and weaken capitalist countries so that Soviet armies could then sweep across Europe. Suvorov reveals how Stalin conspired with German leaders to bypass the Versailles Treaty, which forbade German rearmament, and secretly trained German engineers and officers and provided bases and factories for war. He also calls attention to the 1939 nonaggression pact between the Soviet Union and Germany that allowed Hitler to proceed with his plans to invade Poland, fomenting war in Europe.
    Suvorov debunks the theory that Stalin was duped by Hitler and that the Soviet Union was a victim of Nazi aggression. Instead, he makes the case that Stalin neither feared Hitler nor mistakenly trusted him. Suvorov maintains that after Germany occupied Poland, defeated France, and started to prepare for an invasion of Great Britain, Hitler's intelligence services detected the Soviet Union's preparations for a major war against Germany. This detection, he argues, led to Germany's preemptive war plan and the launch of an invasion of the USSR. Stalin emerges from the pages of this book as a diabolical genius consumed by visions of a worldwide Communist revolution at any cost--a leader who wooed Hitler and Germany in his own effort to conquer the world. In contradicting traditional theories about Soviet planning, the book is certain to provoke debate among historians throughout the world.

    Suvorov discusses the secret pact between the Nazis and the Communist Party - reason, the Communist Party had made several attempts to overthrow the German Government and failed. They then supported a controlled "Anti Communist Party" - the Nazi Party, that they secretly backed, to aid them in this goal. Why were Stalin and Hitler on friendly terms up til 1941? Because Stalin and the German Communist Party had helped put Hitler in office. Suvorov answers who the Nazis were and who supported them and the Nazi Party collaboration with the Communist Party during the Beer Hall Putsch . . . the Nazis turned later on the Communist bosses once Hitler realized his usefulness as a Patsy to Stalin and the Soviet Union was over.

    This book should remove any illusions about the Nazis and Communists - they were two wings of the same socialist bird. The main difference is the man who is actually to blame and caused the millions of deaths in WW2 was not the puppet Hitler but the puppet master who caused WW2 - Joseph Stalin and the Communist Party.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    The Nazi Party was a socialist worker's party. They stood against tall-hatted capitalists and the nobility, notable by their big germanic eagle-wing moustaches. That's why Hilter wore a neat little working man's moustache. In Mein Kampf, Hitler states that the german ruling classes were wrong to ignore the demands of the workers, which were quite reasonable: and end to child labour, safety rails on the machines.

    The average german worker liked nazism because nazism was pro the worker - or at least claimed to be. They also rather liked the idea of repudiating the WWI war reparations.

    Things like the Aryan breeding program and the death camps are just plain commie. It's obviously the same stuff. The idea that european fascism and socialism are opposites is a Big Lie. The thing that gives fascism its name - the fasces - is a bundle of bound-together sticks with an axe. It symbolises democracy, anti-monarchy and anti-clericalism. It means "the people, united, should rule".
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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    I agree. The pro Nazi BS gives you a bad rep.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    [QUOTE=CPRA;166254]For a view of the actual goals of the Nazi Party and its backers, read: The Chief Culprit: Stalin's Grand Design to Start World War II Paperback March 15, 2013

    by Viktor Suvorov (Author) Amazon

    So this is what Victor's been doing? He's the real deal, a genuine Russian defector who made a living writing after he escaped.

    I hadn't heard of this theory, but it makes sense. Victor's nobody's fool, there must be something to it if he's on board.
    Every day I make the world a little bit worse.

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    Re: Disturbing when a MGTOW is duped by pro-Nazi crap

    Although that would include all Christians and Jews. Not the "worship" part, but the "chosen people" part.
    Any Christian who thinks this needs to go read the book of Romans. Or, for that matter, just about anything that Jesus said about the Jews or Judaism.

    St Paul in Romans explains that the Jews are no longer the chosen people, that the "Old Covenant" is no longer in effect (because the jews kept breaking it). The "promise", which is God's reward for having faith, has passed to the Christians. This is pretty much a central plank of Christianity and something that a Christian should know. The fact that many if not most evangelicals don't says a great deal about evangelical christianity.

    What Jews belive and practise now is pretty much what Jesus - the Living Word of God - condemned without hesitation every time he mentioned it. Judaism is simply the religion of the scribes and the pharisees.

    It has nothing much to do with what Abraham and Moses believed. They ain't sacrificing animals to Jehovah anymore, and haven't done so for a long, long time. There's nowhere to do it, and no-one to officiate. One wonders what might happen if the Jews of Israel succeed in retaking the site of the Temple from the Muslims in Jerusalem. It will be comical to see all the nave Christians expecting the daily sacrifices to promptly resume. (One suspects that Israel kinda sorta doesn't really want the temple back - what would they do with it?)

    It is a mish-mash of laws and superstitions invented in Babylon during the captivity. One third of it is pointless rules that God never imposed (eg: you are not allowed to carry your housekeys or walk your baby in a pram on the Sabbath), one third of it is elaborate excuses for ignoring those rules (it's ok to do it if you are in a roped-off community, because you are "at home"), and one third of it is outright Babylonian ritual magic.

    Many christians think that the "Whore of Babylon" in Revelations is the Roman Catholic Church. They are wrong. The RCC has nothing to do with Babylon. Judaism totally does.

    A Christian calling Jews "the chosen people" is a christian that doesn't read the bible for themselves, that gets their Christianity from the carefully-manipulated zeitgeist, from christmas carols. Never forget that "White Christmas" was written by Izzie Berlin. It's also worthwhile asking what, exactly, God chose the Jews for. Christians belive that god chose the Jews to bring Jesus the Son of God into the world. Jews believe that God chose them to rule the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Any Christian who thinks this needs to go read the book of Romans. Or, for that matter, just about anything that Jesus said about the Jews or Judaism.

    St Paul in Romans explains that the Jews are no longer the chosen people, that the "Old Covenant" is no longer in effect (because the jews kept breaking it). The "promise", which is God's reward for having faith, has passed to the Christians. This is pretty much a central plank of Christianity and something that a Christian should know. The fact that many if not most evangelicals don't says a great deal about evangelical christianity.
    Ok, fair enough. I should've qualified that Christians see Jews as "having been" the chosen people, for a period of time in history -- not as being the "chosen people" currently.

    What Jews belive and practise now is pretty much what Jesus - the Living Word of God - condemned without hesitation every time he mentioned it. Judaism is simply the religion of the scribes and the pharisees.
    Well, not exactly. Jesus was very much a Jew, spoke as a Jew, and upheld the basic tenets of Judaism. He cannot be understood apart from his Jewishness. His arguments with scribes and pharisees, although occasionally heated, were not dissimilar to the arguments Jews from one sect often had with Jews of a different sect. As you may have noticed, Jews tend to be an argumentative bunch, lol.


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