Thread: Could a entire country based on MGTOW philosophy exist?

Originally Posted by frog

I think your idea of several guys sharing an old farm or ranch would have a far better chance of sucess than trying to start your own country. It would have many benefits without that much risk or expense.

I agree... I suggest you make a few rules also.

Not all MGTOW are the same when it comes to women. Some ghost, some still date and entertain women, what restrictions about bringing women in?

What about an exit plan? Someone wants to return to TBP way of life? Or when a member gets old and dies, the family then claims his share... If a member runs short on money and he needs to liquidate to pay bills (medical?). How can he get out that is fair to all and still keep the dream alive?

How are disputes handled? Business partnerships often crash and burn after a few years. Best friends then become bitter after all is sorted out... it's best to set out groundwork first so members can agree before investing.

What happens if a member defaults on his share of the yearly land rates (tax), the rest will have to make up the difference or all loose out. It's not fair that one doesn't pay. How will this be handled?
Can't get blood out of a stone...

There are some groups going through some of this now. "Homesteaders" (?) a group on FB... People invested, never moved, now selling for more than invested to people or groups that are not like minded... Some ugly sounding fights going on...

Originally Posted by frog

I think your idea of several guys sharing an old farm or ranch would have a far better chance of sucess than trying to start your own country. It would have many benefits without that much risk or expense.

Precisely why I mentioned it - this has been on my mind since we bought the place 10 + years ago (although admittedly is more about several families than just guys at the time)...

Interestingly, the few guys/couples that were all excited about it and tried committing have all left...you only get one guess as to the reason they left.

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

I agree... I suggest you make a few rules also.

Not all MGTOW are the same when it comes to women. Some ghost, some still date and entertain women, what restrictions about bringing women in?

What about an exit plan? Someone wants to return to TBP way of life? Or when a member gets old and dies, the family then claims his share... If a member runs short on money and he needs to liquidate to pay bills (medical?). How can he get out that is fair to all and still keep the dream alive?

How are disputes handled? Business partnerships often crash and burn after a few years. Best friends then become bitter after all is sorted out... it's best to set out groundwork first so members can agree before investing.

What happens if a member defaults on his share of the yearly land rates (tax), the rest will have to make up the difference or all loose out. It's not fair that one doesn't pay. How will this be handled?
Can't get blood out of a stone...

There are some groups going through some of this now. "Homesteaders" (?) a group on FB... People invested, never moved, now selling for more than invested to people or groups that are not like minded... Some ugly sounding fights going on...

All very valid issues RustyNuts, especially if it's an entirely new "venture" - but likely easier from the outset as you mentioned, you can sort all of this out before hand with solid rules/contracts/agreements etc.

A little more difficult in my situation as I already own the place and have no interest is selling any shares of it - but I suppose my approach would be a "come and go as you please" without a financial commitment, but in exchange live up to your work/duties commitment.

Certainly doesn't appeal to everyone and this would have longer term asset accumulation etc issues for anyone wanting to participate - but my instinct is that a reasonable portion of the MGTOW-minded community is indifferent to material attachments or needing ownership of a piece of land in order to be happy (to be clear, that isn't me...).

No.

Leftists won't allow any escape.

Originally Posted by KRFJames

I suppose my approach would be a "come and go as you please" without a financial commitment, but in exchange live up to your work/duties commitment.

Careful.... You still should have a contract or legal agreement of some kind. Check local laws, when someone is living on your property or even crossing your property and you acknowledge them, after some time they may have legal rights to continue even if you don't want them to. Someone living at your property may have tenant rights even if they are not paying rent. If the relationship sours, you may not be able to just kick them out (legally). Check your local laws or get legal advice for your area.

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

Careful.... You still should have a contract or legal agreement of some kind. Check local laws, when someone is living on your property or even crossing your property and you acknowledge them, after some time they may have legal rights to continue even if you don't want them to. Someone living at your property may have tenant rights even if they are not paying rent. If the relationship sours, you may not be able to just kick them out (legally). Check your local laws or get legal advice for your area.

For sure - I'm fortunate to have had a +/- 25 year career in banking/finance, so have some great insight and resources/contacts to ensure I'm covered - but this is great advice for anyone not in that position who might consider offering something like this.

A country doesn't need a land to exist...
Well, it depends what you mean by country because there are two definitions:
1. (strict) borders, army, economy, identity, history, one leader and strict hierarchy make a country.
2. (broader) Country = people = society. Thus country is a large group of people sharing same culture and identity that interact with each other.

I really like the 2nd definiton as it makes world governament basically impossible.

The nation of Kekistan is real. Twitter wars, HWNDU and other numerous exploits are the living proof that a society of shitposters & trolls exists.
Cults are also very distinct entities. They have their own rules, culture and identity. You enter one and it's as if you've crossed a border.
Asians and ancient romans had a thing for secret societies - nations within nations. In fact during medieval times both in europe and asia
there was so much infighting because of more thigtly-knit communities. You could say people from four towns afar were a totally different nation.

I dig Hammerhand's idea of the Ghost Nation.
It's real. You ask "where are all the good men" and the only thing you see are the ghosts.
You try to chit-chat, invite on a date but they dissapear as you move your lips.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself - are you primarily MGTOW or <your nationality>?

Is this big enough?
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