Thread: Could a entire country based on MGTOW philosophy exist?

Been thinking about this alot lately..

Yes! I started mine in 1997. In the beginning I had a little resistance from Massachusetts officials that believed otherwise, but eventually even they went away after the courts fell silent and rendered no decrees!

P.S.

It has to be a country of 1, anything else won't work, I know, I tried it! Not to be confused with "Sovereign Citizen", they're a group with a pretty nasty attitude towards officials. As for me, I like to play ball with them, legal ball, using my hard ball, my special ball, the one with legal rocks sewn inside.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Been thinking about this alot lately..

Maybe, but it would have to rely on immigration.

No procreation (impregnation) would be a bit of a problem in a self-sustaining environment. And forget about other means of procreation (artificial wombs for example) as a substitute. Men would still be held accountable. A rose by any other name.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Been thinking about this alot lately..

And.... ????

What's your thoughts?

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

And.... ????

What's your thoughts?

I feel as if it were to happen it would have to start as a bunch of mgtowers coming together sharing a common interest, but we would all have to then agree on what is the next topic of unification as we sustain progress and try to strive to work together to create a new better world in our vision, while maintaining the fire we have created..not letting anyone side track what we will be doing for their own darker motive.

What we have been through is interesting to say the least, we all share a lot of the same great pain and frustration. I truly feel mgtow can turn into something greater.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Been thinking about this alot lately..

How would you keep out the unfaithful? You going to put Unboxxed on guard duty like at a gated community? I don't think he'd like that.

I'm not sure about MGTOW becoming something greater. It would be too much like herding cats. I suppose it could happen, but I'm not holding my breath...

Originally Posted by frog

How would you keep out the unfaithful? You going to put Unboxxed on guard duty like at a gated community? I don't think he'd like that.

I'm not sure about MGTOW becoming something greater. It would be too much like herding cats. I suppose it could happen, but I'm not holding my breath...

Well first you get the money, which comes with power. You typically need technical skills of some sort to extract money legally of course. Through business means. Alot to talk about not publicly though. Almost like our own clandestine little club.... society.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Alot to talk about not publicly though. Almost like our own clandestine little club.... society.

You may be on to something here - start smaller (ie at the local level, all kinds of things need to be happening more locally).

I for one would consider welcoming like-minded, independent, strong in body and mind men to establish a "home base" of sorts for themselves here on our farm. Yes, do your own thing, but also be prepared to put in some serious work as well.

I don't imagine I'm alone here in being able to offer something along those lines...

These local "groups" then begin to network together, plan larger initiatives and projects. It's possible but going from essentially an online community to a country is a rather large leap. One step at a time.

Interesting discussion for sure.

Originally Posted by frog

How would you keep out the unfaithful? You going to put Unboxxed on guard duty like at a gated community? I don't think he'd like that.

I'm not sure about MGTOW becoming something greater. It would be too much like herding cats. I suppose it could happen, but I'm not holding my breath...

With Unboxxed, who needs gates? He'll take them out commando style!

Originally Posted by KRFJames

You may be on to something here - start smaller (ie at the local level, all kinds of things need to be happening more locally).

I for one would consider welcoming like-minded, independent, strong in body and mind men to establish a "home base" of sorts for themselves here on our farm. Yes, do your own thing, but also be prepared to put in some serious work as well.

I don't imagine I'm alone here in being able to offer something along those lines...

These local "groups" then begin to network together, plan larger initiatives and projects. It's possible but going from essentially an online community to a country is a rather large leap. One step at a time.

Interesting discussion for sure.

Exactly.


How I see it is just because we all decided to walk away doesn't mean we have to isolate alone. Why can't we isolate together? Share what we know. Make each other stronger.


Just because we choose to walk away from the world as it is doesn't mean we have to walk away forever.


What if mgtow just the first step in our destinity to make the world a better place....what if it was intended... so we could isolate and focus together.


You cannot protect anyone 24/7, You should strive to make them strong enough to fight their battles they will face in their world, is how I see it.


I am not here to be the world's superman but we I'm sure we can all learn from each other and level up as we isolate .

Originally Posted by mgtower

With Unboxxed, who needs gates? He'll take them out commando style!

Unboxxed from how they are describing you, it might be time for a username switch bro.

Could a entire country based on MGTOW philosophy exist?

Yes, but I can't see it happening. Where are you going to get the land from? Where would it be located? Would you let me set up the only brothel for P2P? What would everyone else do for employment?

Has this been tried before? Sort of, yes...

In 2015-16? Europe had a refugee problem and Naguib Sawiris came up with a solution. Sawiris is an Egyptian billionaire, he wanted to buy a few Mediterranean islands, make them independent, and he would take all the refugees to build a utopia with the free labour.... No country would sell him any land that he could make independent.... If a billionaire can't make it happen when Europe was in distress and flooded with refugees how are a few MGTOWs going to succeed?

Read about Sawiris' solution here:

One billionaire’s dream to build a refugee utopia | Human Rights | Al Jazeera

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

Could a entire country based on MGTOW philosophy exist?


Yes, but I can't see it happening. Where are you going to get the land from? Where would it be located? Would you let me set up the only brothel for P2P? What would everyone else do for employment?

Has this been tried before? Sort of, yes...

In 2015-16? Europe had a refugee problem and Naguib Sawiris came up with a solution. Sawiris is an Egyptian billionaire, he wanted to buy a few Mediterranean islands, make them independent, and he would take all the refugees to build a utopia with the free labour.... No country would sell him any land that he could make independent.... If a billionaire can't make it happen when Europe was in distress and flooded with refugees how are a few MGTOWs going to succeed?

Read about Sawiris' solution here:

One billionaire’s dream to build a refugee utopia | Human Rights | Al Jazeera

Thanks for the share. Could it be done without escaping to a new piece of land? What if we stayed americans and in america but go our own way and formed our own consociations, sharpingering each other's skills needed to compete, survive and then hire our own.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Thanks for the share. Could it be done without escaping to a new piece of land? What if we stayed americans and in america but go our own way and formed our own consociations, sharpingering each other's skills needed to compete, survive and then hire our own.

If you are going to stay in an established country, you have to live under the rules/laws of that country. More females vote than men, therefor on numbers alone (not counting simp's votes) they will get their way. Females make more noise, more press, and get their way more than men by just being female. Once that country goes "Cashless" (it's coming to all Western countries) you will lose control of your money and independence. It's only a matter of time before a "Batchlor Tax" is introduced. (It might be: Taxes go up but if you are married and/or directly support children you are exempt) If you really want to MGTOW, you need to be independent of any laws that favour women.... Independence from any country, citizenship is male only, females need working visas to enter. Visa holders have limited rights and privileges.

America, or United States of America is not where all of us live or can immigrate to. Again, laws of an established country restricts movement. Personally, I would never emigrate to the US even if offered to me, I'll stay here in Straya. Thanks.

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

If you are going to stay in an established country, you have to live under the rules/laws of that country. More females vote than men, therefor on numbers alone (not counting simp's votes) they will get their way. Females make more noise, more press, and get their way more than men by just being female. Once that country goes "Cashless" (it's coming to all Western countries) you will lose control of your money and independence. It's only a matter of time before a "Batchlor Tax" is introduced. (It might be: Taxes go up but if you are married and/or directly support children you are exempt) If you really want to MGTOW, you need to be independent of any laws that favour women.... Independence from any country, citizenship is male only, females need working visas to enter. Visa holders have limited rights and privileges.

America, or United States of America is not where all of us live or can immigrate to. Again, laws of an established country restricts movement. Personally, I would never emigrate to the US even if offered to me, I'll stay here in Straya. Thanks.

There has to be a way. I refuse to believe we are checkmated.

Maybe I am looking at it from a different perspective. One thing I have always noticed in america is the laws don't apply to those with a big enough bank account. There are alot of secret societies in america that are practically untouchable. It always starts with that.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

There has to be a way. I refuse to believe we are checkmated.

Maybe I am looking at it from a different perspective. One thing I have always noticed in america is the laws don't apply to those with a big enough bank account. There are alot of secret societies in america that are practically untouchable. It always starts with that.

That's fine, we don't all have the same view. I wish you all the best in your goals.

I hate to use Jim Jones or Jonestown as an example (as it did not end well) but why do leaders that want to get away from unfavourable laws to their way of thinking leave the USA? He's not the only one, and what happens to groups that have a different way of life that stay in the USA, like Waco Texas is famous for?

Stay secret, do not advertise, keep under the radar, do not organize. Learn what others have done wrong and don't make the same mistakes...

Originally Posted by RustyNuts

That's fine, we don't all have the same view. I wish you all the best in your goals.

I hate to use Jim Jones or Jonestown as an example (as it did not end well) but why do leaders that want to get away from unfavourable laws to their way of thinking leave the USA? He's not the only one, and what happens to groups that have a different way of life that stay in the USA, like Waco Texas is famous for?

Stay secret, do not advertise, keep under the radar, do not organize. Learn what others have done wrong and don't make the same mistakes...

This is a very valid point in this discussion - any publicity etc would be detrimental, especially in today's environment.

Overall it doesn't mean that something isn't possible - a "virtual" country if you will - but there is no escaping the reality that the "beast" has it's tentacles everywhere (I'm picturing that fat octopus bitch from the Disney film 'The Little Mermaid" sitting over the planet).

I'm definitely of the mind that we can't just isolate ourselves as the OP has mentioned. We have to find a way to stick together and support each other - ideally something that evolves outside of a forum like this.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Been thinking about this alot lately..

Hi Man Alone Forever No More,

Have you thought a lot about Pitcairn Islands? Here is a plan to take it over. A group of 50 MGTOWs, each $130,000 savings, negotiate the following deal with the governor of Pitcaird Islands, a British Citizen located in New Zealand.

1) A new corporation, MGTOW Inc., with $5 million in cash ($100,000 from each of the 50 MGTOW), will buy Henderson Island, one of the four Pitcairn Islands. Henderson is currently uninhabited. A deed restriction will preserve the current status of the islands as a
fully protected marines reserve, except for the ability to build an airstrip.

2) The 50 MGTOWs will be granted permanent residency in Pitcairn Island, without the risk of being kicked out after two years, as is currently the case.

3) As is already the case, each new MGTOW resident will be granted two free plots of land: one to build a house, and one to use as garden. Each MGTOW will use $30,000 to live off the first year, and to start working on finding financing to build a house. There are only 47 permanent residents in Pitcairn Island right now, and a couple of them are kids not yet eligible to vote. So, the 50 MGTOW will be the majority of voters, and able to change the laws.

4) Once the 50 MGTOWs are settled and have built their houses, MGTOW Inc. will raise money to build an airstrip on Henderson Island, and on buying a boat to travel back and forth between Henderson Island, and in creating a touristic infrastructure on Henderson Island. Money will be made by charging a fee to airplane that land on the airstrip, and on selling or leasing plots of land on Henderson Island for people who want to run tourism businesses.

5) As is currently the case, Great Britain will continue to support Pitcairn Island with about $4 million to $5 million a year, mostly in the form of part time government jobs and money for infrastructure. Just like current Pitcairn Island residents, the MGTOWs will be able to combine the part time government jobs with small private enterprises.

Pitcairn Islands are not quite an entire country, since they are a possession of Great Britain. But the people living there make their own laws, and only occasionally fall under Great Britain's laws.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

Thanks for the share. Could it be done without escaping to a new piece of land? What if we stayed americans and in america but go our own way and formed our own consociations, sharpingering each other's skills needed to compete, survive and then hire our own.

Sort of like building a commune?

Count me out!

Communism sucks!

Originally Posted by Jackoff

Sort of like building a commune?

Count me out!

Communism sucks!

Any organization you can name will have some brothers who think they should be more equal than you and will not rest until they find some sleazy way to get it. Governments, schools, towns, unions, lobbyists, communes, or any other special interest group, their all the same. Your chance of getting a fair shake with any of them is slim to none. I see no reason to think a MGTOW enclave would end any different. Maybe nobody would poison the cool aid, but you can bet some would get stuck with more than their share of the skut work. And developing a country would be a lot of dirty work.

I think your idea of several guys sharing an old farm or ranch would have a far better chance of sucess than trying to start your own country. It would have many benefits without that much risk or expense.