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    Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    Consider this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfe6d6MzeLM

    Combine this with so many other articles we've all seen about strength and fitness standards being lowered so that more women can get in, even in elite units.

    Throughout my lifetime the West, and especially the US, has been the top dog of the World. When I was a boy, the thought of any country challenging the US militarily was laughable. Now, Western militaries seem to be going out of their way to weaken themselves. I ask myself, no matter how rich the West may be*, how can Western armies defend their countries when soldiers are chosen based on box ticking rather than ability?

    The other major powers of the World have weaknesses to be certain. However, they aren't actively suiciding their nations.

    As a thought experiment, what do you all think of the power of Western militaries in the future? Is the West going to suffer defeat after defeat, possibly one day with Western nations being subjugated at home?

    For me, I just don't see how any country can win when all the strong capable men are shamed into submission or kicked out of the military entirely and conversely incapable women who just get pregnant the instant war hits so they can stay home.

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    *Assuming it continues to be so.

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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    A nation with a failed social construct doesn't need much by way of a military, it collapses from within and so goes their military, wealth, and overall construct, they become peasants living in the carcass of their once upon a time greatness.

    We have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel! Thank feminism, gynocentrism, and all the men that EMPOWER THEM!

    Truth be told, it's already dead to me, as I dwell in the necrotic tissue of corruption and tyranny manifested in ongoing government corruption.

    Many parts of America are already dead and they're not coming back, only Jesus comes back from the dead!
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    Jaysus that American ad was so lame.

    I have do say it doesn’t really surprise me a lot.

    Once upon a time war was about people actually fighting. There was blood and death and it had to be dealt out on the battlefield.

    There is still blood and death, but now it’s about pushing buttons.

    Women are good at pushing buttons without regards to the consequences!

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    Let’s remember that the goal of war—true war between major world players, not “play war” like our recent escapades—isn’t to win the war; it’s to permanently annex the enemy’s real estate, wealth, and human resources. (Well, the desirable human resources, that is. The remainder can be disposed of subsequent to the takeover.)

    War is just one way to get there, though. The problem with war today is that’s it’s way too costly economically and in terms of infrastructure damage. China knows this. Russia knows this. Every non-Christian, middle-eastern nation knows this.

    So then the question becomes: How to annex another country’s assets without suffering war’s inevitable blowbacks? Here's how: You let it rot, and you do whatever you can to accelerate the process. That’s done with a) misinformation, b) spying technologies embedded in daily-use devices, c) bribes of top officials leveraged with prior data collection on those officials and their families, and d) indoctrination of low-IQ citizens with diversionary nonsense that distracts them from true realities.

    You can see that none of these efforts involves military strength. (I mean boots-on-the-ground strength.) Many of today’s warriors sit behind desktop PCs and laptops. They may not even “report for work” in the traditional sense. They think, they write code, they always stay a few steps ahead of the latest commercial malware offerings. And they’re paid very, very well. Other warriors crunch data, assess the enemy's behavioral trends, and suggest ways to steer that collective behavior toward the outcome the aggressor desires. Other warriors plant lies and misinformation to destroy the people who are working against them (or have the potential to later in life), and then to rewire their value systems and thought processes in a way that will destabilize the environments in which they currently operate or will operate in the near future.

    This type of war-waging is equal-opportunity in every sense of the term. I mean, even a country as boring and mild-mannered as, say, Belgium, could have a go at it. All it takes is money, the right talent, big enough balls to actually execute and not stop halfway there, not giving a shit what other countries think about you, and knowing how to gaslight the nations that aren’t on board with what you're trying to accomplish.

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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Let’s remember that the goal of war—true war between major world players, not “play war” like our recent escapades—isn’t to win the war; it’s to permanently annex the enemy’s real estate, wealth, and human resources. (Well, the desirable human resources, that is. The remainder can be disposed of subsequent to the takeover.)

    War is just one way to get there, though. The problem with war today is that’s it’s way too costly economically and in terms of infrastructure damage. China knows this. Russia knows this. Every non-Christian, middle-eastern nation knows this.

    So then the question becomes: How to annex another country’s assets without suffering war’s inevitable blowbacks? Here's how: You let it rot, and you do whatever you can to accelerate the process. That’s done with a) misinformation, b) spying technologies embedded in daily-use devices, c) bribes of top officials leveraged with prior data collection on those officials and their families, and d) indoctrination of low-IQ citizens with diversionary nonsense that distracts them from true realities.

    You can see that none of these efforts involves military strength. (I mean boots-on-the-ground strength.) Many of today’s warriors sit behind desktop PCs and laptops. They may not even “report for work” in the traditional sense. They think, they write code, they always stay a few steps ahead of the latest commercial malware offerings. And they’re paid very, very well. Other warriors crunch data, assess the enemy's behavioral trends, and suggest ways to steer that collective behavior toward the outcome the aggressor desires. Other warriors plant lies and misinformation to destroy the people who are working against them (or have the potential to later in life), and then to rewire their value systems and thought processes in a way that will destabilize the environments in which they currently operate or will operate in the near future.

    This type of war-waging is equal-opportunity in every sense of the term. I mean, even a country as boring and mild-mannered as, say, Belgium, could have a go at it. All it takes is money, the right talent, big enough balls to actually execute and not stop halfway there, not giving a shit what other countries think about you, and knowing how to gaslight the nations that aren’t on board with what you're trying to accomplish.
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    China sees the Western Balkans, which includes Albania, Bosnia, Kosovo, North Macedonia and Serbia, as well as Montenegro, as part of its Belt and Road initiative to expand Chinese influence.
    Beijing has invested billions in the region, mainly through soft loans in infrastructure and energy, which could complicate EU expansion to the east.
    The 2014 Chinese loan for the construction of a stretch of the highway from Adriatic coast of Montenegro - a NATO member and candidate to join the EU - to the border with Serbia, sent Montenegro’s debt soaring to a total of 103% of economic output and forced the Montenegrin government to ask for EU help.
    At a session of the parliamentary committee for finances and budget, Finance Minister Milojko Spajic declined to identify the European financial institution due to a non disclosure agreement, but said discussions were “in the final phase”.
    On June 11, Reuters reported Brussels had turned to Germany’s Reconstruction Credit Bank (KfW) and the French Development Agency (AFD) - both state-owned development banks - and Italian state lender CDP to spearhead the financial aid to Montenegro.
    Also....In Zimbabwe:
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    Is this is just China learning from 'The West'....and beating The West hands-down at their own game?

    West plays Monopoly whilst East plays Go (Weiqi)?

    Also,

    Warren Buffett famously told The New York Times in 2006 that the wealthiest Americans were only growing richer and more powerful despite mounting resentment towards them. "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning," the billionaire investor said.

    Can we see that in media campaigns, .gov sponsored initiatives and the narratives that have plagued the ordinary people?

    Would it be ironic if it turns out that The West has been busy waging soft-war on its own peoples and the wider planet only for the East to win the war with its own version of the same thing?
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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post
    QFT




    Also....In Zimbabwe:
    <br>

    Is this is just China learning from 'The West'....and beating The West hands-down at their own game?

    West plays Monopoly whilst East plays Go (Weiqi)?

    Also,

    Warren Buffett famously told The New York Times in 2006 that the wealthiest Americans were only growing richer and more powerful despite mounting resentment towards them. "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning," the billionaire investor said.

    Can we see that in media campaigns, .gov sponsored initiatives and the narratives that have plagued the ordinary people?

    Would it be ironic if it turns out that The West has been busy waging soft-war on its own peoples and the wider planet only for the East to win the war with its own version of the same thing?
    All one needs to do is open there eyes to see what's coming, or should I say already here?

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    Families (single mothers) need the government to support and care for them, all because men are learning not to, and to avoid them like a plague! After all, the government is now in charge of everything and every aspect of living, incentivized free stuff for some, tax laden oppressive poverty for others, and riches beyond comprehension for the orchestrators and oligarchs.

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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    Top dog of the world... I'm sorry to break this to you, but this is nothing to be proud about. Not in the case of America anyway. You were the 'top' in the same way a bully is 'top' of the playground.

    Now take a country like Germany.. one could say they are or were a top country. In things such as productivity, standards, general excellence in many respects.

    But USA, UK et al, are controlled by the bullies of the world.

    The powers that be have seen, as have I, that traditional warfare is no longer necessary. Look what they have achieved through a fake virus and the television.

    The problem here is that you and most other people do not think at their level. There are reasons why they do all sorts of shit that seems counter productive, such as weakening their army. In reality all major initiatives have a number of objectives contributing to the long-term plan.

    So you see an army full of trans and mentally ill and think shit we're so weak, who's gonna save us...
    But just off the top of my head I can see how making heroes of these freaks serves their agenda. And these people will be easier to make into cyborgs - I think strong healthy and virile men wouldn't be as keen to become a semi robot but you could easily convince a damaged infertile person to become a super man or woman.
    In order to fix something you have to break it first. Break down entire populations and then 'fix' them with transhumanist tech.
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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    The rest of the world quakes in fear at our military




    The last video for recruitment of women in the US just shows what the military has to work with; they have to appeal to the selfishness of the new generation- hence "army of one" and in this video, helping women "answer their own calling". Part of marketing is meeting people where they are- and in this case, the audience is self-centered and more interested in self-actualizing than serving their nation.

    Nothing wrong with recruiting minorities and women in my book. To me, the bigger picture is: the raw material they are working with is flawed. So long as we have the most fearsome defense technology, we have little to worry, but China is closing the gap.

    The West has spawned the evil of Feminism. And other sick notions that have brought out the worst in mankind. While our pride argues against it, a traditionalist country rising may just restore sanity by way of traditional values.
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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    I'd like to believe in an eventual restoration of traditional values and sanity, but all my instincts tell me we're headed for something far worse, and via some means we haven't even discussed yet.

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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    I'd like to believe in an eventual restoration of traditional values and sanity, but all my instincts tell me we're headed for something far worse, and via some means we haven't even discussed yet.
    ^^^^ said the ant to the termite in a 3 alarm structure fire!
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    They are going full communism. Food shortages, rationed (vaxxed prioritised), strict control of movement. It will not last, but it's going to be a nasty couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    A nation with a failed social construct doesn't need much by way of a military, it collapses from within and so goes their military, wealth, and overall construct, they become peasants living in the carcass of their once upon a time greatness.

    We have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel! Thank feminism, gynocentrism, and all the men that EMPOWER THEM!

    Truth be told, it's already dead to me, as I dwell in the necrotic tissue of corruption and tyranny manifested in ongoing government corruption.

    Many parts of America are already dead and they're not coming back, only Jesus comes back from the dead!
    This!

    Every major empire collapsed from within. That's just the nature of it. As far as I'm concerned, my country has already died. It died before I was even born. I just didn't realize it until recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    The rest of the world quakes in fear at our military




    The last video for recruitment of women in the US just shows what the military has to work with; they have to appeal to the selfishness of the new generation- hence "army of one" and in this video, helping women "answer their own calling". Part of marketing is meeting people where they are- and in this case, the audience is self-centered and more interested in self-actualizing than serving their nation.

    Nothing wrong with recruiting minorities and women in my book. To me, the bigger picture is: the raw material they are working with is flawed. So long as we have the most fearsome defense technology, we have little to worry, but China is closing the gap.

    The West has spawned the evil of Feminism. And other sick notions that have brought out the worst in mankind. While our pride argues against it, a traditionalist country rising may just restore sanity by way of traditional values.
    The above picture is a fucking embarrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    The above picture is a fucking embarrassment.
    Especially since there seem to be children in the area.

    Some role models, eh?

    "I want to grow up to be just like my big brother."

    "Um... no you don't."

    Can anyone else hear Putin and Li Keqiang laughing? I sure can.

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    Re: Consideration: Military Defeat of The West

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Especially since there seem to be children in the area.

    Some role models, eh?

    "I want to grow up to be just like my big brother."

    "Um... no you don't."

    Can anyone else hear Putin and Li Keqiang laughing? I sure can.
    I dunno about Li Keqiang, he was last seen bobbing down the Mekong river in flood waters!
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    Ref. my post #4, https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...85/#post159985, here's an example of how it's already happening. If you can't pay back in money what you owe, you have to "sell the farm," so to speak:

    https://redstate.com/mike_miller/202...-china-n416549

    We owe China so much in unpaid debt, they can legally (and morally, sorry to say) take whatever they want in lieu of cash money. And we have no right to object.

    The effects of the trade deficit are explained here, about 3/5 of the way down the page:

    https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-china...utions-3306277

    Please remember this next time you're about to choose the cheap piece of shit over the inconveniently more-expensive American-made product. This truly is a war -- just one where no one's lobbing grenades at the other side.

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    We got off on the wrong path when we started debating over who has "the right to serve in the military." No one has the right to serve, at least that's how it used to be and should be. The military should get to pick and choose whomever has the abilities to help defend the country. It's just like NFL football. No one has the right to play that complex and competitive game. Each team gets to choose from athletes who have the skill to play it.

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    What are the opinions re. mandatory service? My dad told me everyone had to serve in his era. He said if you didn't have what it takes when you went in, you sure had what it takes when you got out.

    I don't know whether I'm for or against. I guess I could debate it either way. People on this board know I'm pretty much a Reagan conservative, and yet there's a strong Libertarian streak running through me as well.

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    What are the opinions re. mandatory service? My dad told me everyone had to serve in his era. He said if you didn't have what it takes when you went in, you sure had what it takes when you got out.

    I don't know whether I'm for or against. I guess I could debate it either way. People on this board know I'm pretty much a Reagan conservative, and yet there's a strong Libertarian streak running through me as well.
    I agree with you. The arguments against a draft are:
    - Aside from an actual war of national survival, the military doesn't need millions of mostly unwilling recruits.
    - If you are not drafting everyone who qualifies, who and how do you decide who take?
    - The all-volunteer military has been a success.
    - I am not government property. The Constitution was amended to end involuntary servitude.

    I prefer Heinlein's approach, the one in the book, not the movie: Nobody has to serve, civilian service in challenging but necessary work qualifies, and through service you earn the right to vote. And the right to vote is the right to exert the power of the government on others.

    Also, two years in the service rarely changes the core values formed in life before enlisting. It often exposes the dirt bag, but it rarely reforms the dirt bag.
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    The US is being usurped by the United Nations (UN). The goal is to transition all countries through the UN into a world government. And the UN does so by disarming the nations and its citizens. The cultural Marxists have the dominant influence in the UN and have infiltrated and compromised the CIA, Secretaries and all kinds of other positions within the US for a long time through members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and progressively made steps towards a handover from the US to the UN.

    The Taliban takeover is a sign that the US at large has surrendered to the UN and its sponsors (China, Russia and other communist puppet states) and already negotiated the terms for the transition. Same can be said for the whole ordeal that has been going on since the start of 2020. If history is anything to go by, then once the US has been sufficiently disarmed and enough of the military and police have deserted to UN control, the UN is likely to make use of the Rome Statute of the ICC and genocide any dissidents. The US citizens in particular are the primary targets.


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