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    Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    The classic liberals from the 1950s to the 1990s were all about giving people equal rights and ending the draft and discrimination, but with the SJW movement starting in the 2000s up to the present, they did a 180 degree turn and want to remove all of the human rights and abolish the constitution. Why this sudden change in policy? What is responsible for this contradiction between the older generation of liberals and the SJWs? Why is the left opposing what it once fought for and what has happened to the left that used to have reasonable ideas?

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    You are talking about people with orange, green and purple hair, Tats allover the place, and piercing their tongues, noses and faces, (extra holes in their heads) to make sense? People who believe the Government should give them a living, but not understanding the only money the Government has to give away, is what it got from them? Those people?

    That sir, is a good question.

    It comes from "Everybody gets a prize", no conciquences, having Mommy & Daddy pay for every thing. They seem to know their rights, but forget everyone else's. They think that if we all got together and sang Kumbuy-yah the world would be paradise.
    "They think the world owes them a living" is what my Dad used to say. And they are pouting because it doesn't. Kicking and screaming till they get their way.....too bad it don't work that way.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    In my opinion:

    1. There is a difference between classical liberalism in the original sense of the word (e.g. that originally defined by the Greeks) and what was done in the 50s to 90s. These movements were never truly classical liberalism, as they focus only on what a person should get, not what their responsibilities are. These movements, unlike true classical liberalism, views "rights" as things government has to give you, rather than things a government should not be allowed to do to you.
    2. The movements in the 50s to 90s, whilst ostensibly more reasonable than what we have now, were not what they claimed to be. Looking at the history of these movements or going even further back to say the suffragettes, shows a lot of it was always about just getting what they wanted, rather than "equality". The mechanism of tribal politics has always been the same.
    3. Taking the suffragette example further, suffragettes campaigned that women should get the vote, they did not campaign that women should be included in the draft. In the UK alone 700,000 men died in WWI; I've literally never heard a woman talk about the "inequality" of men not getting a choice about going off to fight whereas women didn't have to at all.
    4. The current situation of SJW-ism is the natural extension of tribal politics, and the view that authority does not need to be coupled with responsibility. Its just more obvious now as things have gone insane. Further, this is why things always get more crazy, never less. There is only one direction.

    I look forward to hearing others' thoughts.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    I will say this. If you live in the United States, the democratic party was infiltrated by the KGB and subverted to promote communism. I'm not trying to get political or upset anyone but that is just fact. That probably has quite a bit to deal with it.
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    I think the switch that happened is that the liberals went from fighting for rights to demanding entitlements. Once they had obtained the right to vote for all and sundry what was left? All it would take is time to vote in the changes they wanted. Then they learned that victimhood gave them the sought after entitlements without the responsibility or effort. The rest is history.
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I will say this. If you live in the United States, the democratic party was infiltrated by the KGB and subverted to promote communism. I'm not trying to get political or upset anyone but that is just fact. That probably has quite a bit to deal with it.
    This is true, the original plans of the classic liberals like the free trade granted in the 1910s, the social welfare granted in the 1930s, and the equal rights and abolition of forced conscription and discrimination from the 1950s-1990s were good, but the infiltration of the democratic party by the SJWs eventually perverted those ideals and paved the way for authoritarianism, culminating in the imposition of Affirmative Action, Diversity, Political Correctness, and Gun Control by Obama during his term.

    The republican party also had good plans like the deregulation of the economy to promote economic growth and scientific progress and deinstitutionalization to drastically limit the practice of involuntary commitment in order to protect freedom of speech and freedom of the press. But when the religious cuckservatives infiltrated the republican party and promoted the restoration of religious values, stem cell research was suddenly banned during the Bush administration and immigration restrictions were introduced during the Trump administration, with Israel being a suspicious exemption from the rules.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    The thing about any FLAT society like the UK, Canada, USA; is that institutions, by virtue of being democratic; are up for grabs by certain groups within said FLAT societies.

    In authoritarian regimes; it is harder, but the price to be paid too much. I would definitely not favour authoritarianism over freedom; no fucking way! But in democratic FLAT soceitiy, certain groups will use their influence to change laws, rules to suit their agenda.

    Classic example, feminism. In the very beginning, it was overall, a very good thing in my opinion. The feminist message was 'we want equality, not only for women, but the disenfranchised in general, including White working class men'.

    The original feminists were sex positive; they believed a woman and men should enjoy sex freely without society being an influencing factory. We should be caring, loving and curios about other bodies and sexualities. Now, contrast that with the modern feminist who says "I want a man who is a feminist and is also tall". That directly contradicts the feminist message.

    Anyway the point is that when you have a democratic society what tends to happen is groups within that society will use their efforts to improve their lot; which eventually ends up robbing other people of their rights.

    One other thing, people aren't interested in dialogue or reason; it used to be that a healthy society would discuss any given topic freely, but with SJWism and their corporate backers; no one can express a contradictory opinion.
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    The paper-trail is available for research for anyone and its long and convoluted, it twists and turns, disappears down rabbit-holes and its characters pop-up like whack-a-mole but its there and its basically thus (according to my own digging and trying to be impartial):

    There were movements towards global economics before the mid 80's but they were hampered by the existence of communist-blocs and lack of tech but this all changed in the mid 1980's to '90's with the fall of communism, tech revolution and the mass expansion of globalised credit (3rd way economics) that tech allowed for.

    Suddenly the pre-existing partisan and promotional think-tanks such as Council of Foriegn Relations (USA), Trilateral Commission (USA), Chatham House (UK) etc etc and pre-existing corporations had a platform for globalised marketing (see Phorm etc), finance and business but, how to sell it to the people and overturn the Cold-War era conservatism?

    "Divide et Impera"

    Its just business, the marketeers of the 80's had a whole host of psychological and new technology tools at their disposal and by unifying the previously far-leftwing and far-rightwing ideologies (both espousing globalism) and traducing small 'c'conservatism and small 'l' leftwing (both nationalist) they have very little opposition to the expansion of credit and liberalisation of the global market-place (see Washington Consensus etc).

    IMHO, the 3rdWay/Progressive-left/Neoliberalism (as its come to be known) has its own leftwing and rightwing, the left being basically the marketing-wing Democrats/New Labour (the demonisation of social and national consevatisms and promotion of divisive victimology, attaching themselves to pre-existing pressure groups but inserting divisiveness whilst pretending to diversity and progress) and the Right-wing is obviously finance and business with both 'wings' being presented as opposites whilst actually both are pissing in the same pot and sucking at the same tit and playing to the same plan (hence e.g Clintons/Biden versus Reagan/Bush = no choice) which is a fait-accompli which leaves ordinary folks scratching their heads and wondering what the hell happened?

    Well, everybody got rich is what happened and the world changed.

    All of the ists and isms and civil-rights were simply weaponised as marketing diversions and promotional selling-points, not for what they said they were selling but for the means of financing and marketing what they were selling.

    Thus the more sensible and moderate feminism/civil-rights/human rights etc got pwned.

    Anyway, it would take a trilogy of hefty tomes to really do the topic justice but really in one phrase...

    Its just business.

    P.S This topic has been 'conspiratorialised' by David Icke and Alt-Right etc but whilst the main movers and shakers are a bit shy they were never hidden and whilst the existence of some of the main think-tanks etc were denied by the MSM until mass-meta-data made denial impossible I don't personally count it as conspiracy theory any more than any other board meeting that happens behind closed doors.

    IMHO the conspiratorialisation only serves to ridicule the matter and act as a 'blind' in the public conscience and zeitgeist much in the same way as the negative nature of the female, marriage and relationships were characterised and viewed only through the lens of humour, jest and blue-pill world view.
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Its just business.
    Yup, and the interesting and annoying this is, as a man you only realise this world is a market place where you need to sell your skills to get ahead, once it's too late. Women know this at the age of four. They read their surroundings very well, and sell themselves to the highest bidder through ''marketing'' themselves.

    Men aren't even aware what the fuck is going on.
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Yup, and the interesting and annoying this is, as a man you only realise this world is a market place where you need to sell your skills to get ahead, once it's too late. Women know this at the age of four. They read their surroundings very well, and sell themselves to the highest bidder through ''marketing'' themselves.

    Men aren't even aware what the fuck is going on.
    Yes, while men are busy using their superior social skills to sell technological innovations that are also produced by men, the only thing women can sell is their bodies.

    This is why auto, fashion, swimsuit, and fan conventions are popular because it allows women to cosplay in sexy outfits and do what they do best: using their bodies to attract men and take money from their wallets by selling posters of their sexy photoshoots. It is basically legalized prostitution and soft core pornography.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Their ideas have failed, and like any good tyrant worth their salt, it's time to modify those ideas in their more extreme form. It's how and why multi millions perished in the 20th century, from every continent, it's what happens when people trust other people with their lives, because they're too lazy and complacent to care for themselves.

    Ever notice how SJWs' are always fighting someone else's battles on their straw-man arguments?
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Quote Originally Posted by N567 View Post
    The classic liberals from the 1950s to the 1990s were all about giving people equal rights and ending the draft and discrimination, but with the SJW movement starting in the 2000s up to the present, they did a 180 degree turn and want to remove all of the human rights and abolish the constitution. Why this sudden change in policy? What is responsible for this contradiction between the older generation of liberals and the SJWs? Why is the left opposing what it once fought for and what has happened to the left that used to have reasonable ideas?
    Things change all the time. People get older and people die off. That explains a lot. Things have changed so much that its like walking on broken glass cause everyone is offended. What gets me comparing now to when I was growing up was there was no labels. Growing up it would be "This is my buddy (insert name)" and then say something to introduce him like "Oh he is a huge Chicago Bears fan like us" or something. Now its "This is my gay, Polish, Black, tranny , Catholic midget buddy".

    Speaking of things changing, I dread when the SJWs are out and the people born in the mid 2000s become of age. It will be a total shit storm. But then again the SJWs will be the new conservatives. Today's Liberals are tomorrow's conservatives.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    The cause? Malignant growth of far-left wing ideology on University and Colleges in liberal arts and gender/women studies departments. Growth which eventually escapes campus and gets into government. For example, legislation of the need to use 32 or 64 or however many goddamned pronouns the LGBTQ2+XYXYMMV freak show insists everybody uses. Like the power to have someone immediately fired for mis-gendering some fucking attention-whoring snowflake.
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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I will say this. If you live in the United States, the democratic party was infiltrated by the KGB and subverted to promote communism. I'm not trying to get political or upset anyone but that is just fact. That probably has quite a bit to deal with it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

    I kid you not, this interview sounds as if it was one yesterday morning.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Because it was always a long term goal to end up where we are now and there are plans for more extreme measures in the future. Ever notice how all these Equal Rights movements ended up with the people wanting "Equal Rights" actually having more? It's how it works. Feminism is a classic example. So Missy wants to be a Marine, sure. Pass the tests here's your rifle. NOOOOO!!!!! That won't work. They can't pass it, shit, we need quotas!

    Make the test easier, what can they pass? Oh, that's it? Well, ok... look we have more Missy's now! I chose the Military as an example but it can work for anything. In Australia we have a shortage of Vets for farm animals. Women don't want to put their hand up a horses arse or are able to lift alot of those animals, men would like to study to be those sorts of Vets but aren't allowed because of Quotas for the studies.

    Speaking of studies, women tend to drop out and/or never work in the field they have studied anyway. It's all a joke to them. Sorry kind of getting off track but my point is that it was never the long term goal for equality in the first place.

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    Re: Why was Classic Liberalism Replaced by SJWism?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkHorse View Post
    Because it was always a long term goal to end up where we are now and there are plans for more extreme measures in the future. Ever notice how all these Equal Rights movements ended up with the people wanting "Equal Rights" actually having more? It's how it works. Feminism is a classic example. So Missy wants to be a Marine, sure. Pass the tests here's your rifle. NOOOOO!!!!! That won't work. They can't pass it, shit, we need quotas!

    Make the test easier, what can they pass? Oh, that's it? Well, ok... look we have more Missy's now! I chose the Military as an example but it can work for anything. In Australia we have a shortage of Vets for farm animals. Women don't want to put their hand up a horses arse or are able to lift alot of those animals, men would like to study to be those sorts of Vets but aren't allowed because of Quotas for the studies.

    Speaking of studies, women tend to drop out and/or never work in the field they have studied anyway. It's all a joke to them. Sorry kind of getting off track but my point is that it was never the long term goal for equality in the first place.
    Precisely!

    The tool of feminism is simply that. It is a tool to help enact communism which is the ultimate goal of these leftist parties. Feminism is used to break up the nuclear family because family is a form of property ownership according to communist ideology.
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