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    Question Circumcision and My Thoughts

    http://www.intactamerica.org/resources/decision
    At least some people in the medical field have some thoughts on this, but hey, does anyone remember this thread started by Chairborne?
    http://www.goingyourownway.com/mgtow...t=Circumcision
    Really fucked up, considering those circumstances. But what are my thoughts? I would not allow it, in any way shape or form, be enforced by my decision. Imagine me with a child (highly unlikely in this world, but mere speculation) upon his birth ( assuming artificial womb technology gets to that point) I would leave that choice to him when he is older. I believe in choice when it comes to your body (unless it eliminates another life, except if someone was raped in the process, or if both parents agree that it is not wise to have it.)So therefore, it stands to reason that I would tell the doctor to get the hell away from my hypothetical kid. So, what's everyone's thoughts on this? Yay or Nay, or allow them to make that choice?I think this topic needs a bit of coverage, personally, but that's my opinion. Keep walking the road, until it crumbles to nothing but dust.
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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    There's no point in discussing it in depth. The cunts run the show now. The father has been deleted from the decision making process regarding children, which means if I or any other male in America has a kid we will have more power over the Chinese Politburo then our offsprings future.

    As such, I can go in depth about the double standard on circumcision. But it's without relevance. In a day and age where having sex as a man is a financial and emotional death sentence, the presence or lack thereof of foreskin is pretty much moot. It's like wondering what targets to buy in a country where it's illegal to own a firearm.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Circumcision is an idiotic "tradition" taken from Judaism, at least in Judaism there are certain religious convictions behind it, but for average Americans, they are either fooled into the fact that it's healthy or normal, or they are just incredibly stupid. Also, I'm pretty sure that feminists who still continue to wage war on men run the show when it's about arguing pro-circumcision, while we're at it, let's also bring up female circumcision, so that we're even. Just watch what kind of continent-wide shitstorm that will start. I don't see why women can shout "my body, my choice" but when it's about men, all the complaints fall into deaf ears.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Actually, I don't think circumcision started with the Hebrews (Jews came later). Abraham circumcised himself (what a steady hand that must have taken), but he also feigned toward child sacrifice. He may have been choosing from the traditions of people around him and that could be an important background to the story. There is also some evidence of tribal peoples performing circumcision even without Hebrew ancestry.

    Oddly, the United States took on much of its culture from Europe and most Europeans do not perform circumcision. It's a rather strange twist of cultures that took place here. It's also worth mentioning that the number of boys now being circumcised at birth is actually a little less than 50%, so the excuse, "I didn't want him to be different," won't hold up much longer in the U.S.
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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Circumcision existed throughout the ancient Near East, which is why it was adopted by the Israelites (who must have been merely continuing the practices of their ancestors). The Egyptians, who were of course circumcised, considered it a mark of civilization. In order to count the enemy dead after a battle, they would cut one hand off each corpse of the circumsied, and the penis off each of the uncircumcised.

    The ultimate origin of circumcision is that it makes masturbation less effective and therefore makes one dependent on women for sexual pleasures, which in turn results in a greater tendency for procreation and the continuation of the species. This is plainly stated in Jewish texts (e.g. in Maimonides), and also explains the Egyptian view of linking civilization and circumcision. In the modern day, however, with the presence of contraceptives and the abject lack of a civilization which one would want to continue, any increase of one's dependence on women will most likely lead to one's misery. It should therefore be outlawed.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    My thoughts on circumcision are that it should be illegal to carry it out on anyone under 18 unless medically necessary and fake diagnosis of phimosis (the usual bullsit medical diagnosis to justify it) should be a felony

    Is phimosis overdiagnosed in boys and a... [Ann R Coll Surg Engl. 1989] - PubMed - NCBI

    After he becomes an adult he can get it done - Jew or Gentile - IDGAF!

    One of the reasons that they do it is that it is viewed as more aesthetically pleasing for the female - well fuck that for a lark. I think having your beef curtains cut off with a rusty razor blade as aesthetically pleasing, but that isn't a sufficient reason for FGM (really it is more akin to a cliterodectomy), so it shouldn't justify male circumcision. A Nigerian girl who was interviewing me as a potential wallet had had it done and she was 30, but had the waxed gash of a teenager.

    I've always suspected that American preponderance for masturbating with lotion was a side-effect of circumcision, but that is just a personal view. Certainly I've not seen Jurgens or anything similar being used in Europe.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    One of the reasons that they do it is that it is viewed as more aesthetically pleasing for the female
    At the cost of physical pleasure during sex. Not only does circumcision result in need for more lubrication, it negatively impacts friction for both parties. Were I a woman, I'd be less interested in the look of a penis (which many women describe as grotesque regardless) and more interested in how it feels during intercourse.

    Circumcision should be a choice made by the person receiving it, after reaching an age where he can rationally make the choice to do it. I'm circumcised, it was done when I was a baby, and I'm not convinced I would have consented to it had I been given the choice.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ithit View Post
    At the cost of physical pleasure during sex. Not only does circumcision result in need for more lubrication, it negatively impacts friction for both parties. Were I a woman, I'd be less interested in the look of a penis (which many women describe as grotesque regardless) and more interested in how it feels during intercourse.

    Circumcision should be a choice made by the person receiving it, after reaching an age where he can rationally make the choice to do it. I'm circumcised, it was done when I was a baby, and I'm not convinced I would have consented to it had I been given the choice.
    Look at it this way- does the child support agency give a fuck about how good the sex was?

    Excuse my vulgarity, but it serves a point. This is a woman's world now, socially speaking. Whether a mans package is circumcised or not is irrelevant, because if you're having sex frequently enough to worry about it you're crusing to a meeting with the S.S. Child Support Injunction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Our Man in Penang View Post
    My thoughts on circumcision are that it should be illegal to carry it out on anyone under 18 unless medically necessary and fake diagnosis of phimosis (the usual bullsit medical diagnosis to justify it) should be a felony
    Great point to bring up. Phimosis, or perhaps as you say fake diagnosis of Phimosis, can generally be cured - funnily enough - through masturbation (in fact it can be caused by techniques of masturbation which stretch the skin in a way not conducive to it being retracted). I'm almost certain that the instruction in and acceptance of teenage masturbation amongst primitive peoples demonstrates the necessity of the practice.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    It's quite clear that circumcision provides no real medical advantage. If you believe that the human body was formed by natural selection, then you must either believe that foreskin is advantageous or that nature somehow got it wrong in this one case. It seems a bit arrogant and silly to claim a medical benefit, doesn't it?
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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Ithit View Post
    At the cost of physical pleasure during sex. Not only does circumcision result in need for more lubrication, it negatively impacts friction for both parties. Were I a woman, I'd be less interested in the look of a penis (which many women describe as grotesque regardless) and more interested in how it feels during intercourse.

    Circumcision should be a choice made by the person receiving it, after reaching an age where he can rationally make the choice to do it. I'm circumcised, it was done when I was a baby, and I'm not convinced I would have consented to it had I been given the choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherJ View Post
    It's quite clear that circumcision provides no real medical advantage. If you believe that the human body was formed by natural selection, then you must either believe that foreskin is advantageous or that nature somehow got it wrong in this one case. It seems a bit arrogant and silly to claim a medical benefit, doesn't it?
    The only advantage of circumcision is that it needs less cleaning than a normal uncircumcised one. For the uncircumcised one, if you don't wash it at least twice weekly, you get that "dick cheese" happening.

    I'll stand by my decision, circumcision should just not happen, not make it a choice, because people miss the general picture of male circumcision being a tool to control men, by women (because I have yet to hear of men making this choice to circumcise their children).
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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by VLazarusC View Post
    The only advantage of circumcision is that it needs less cleaning than a normal uncircumcised one. For the uncircumcised one, if you don't wash it at least twice weekly, you get that "dick cheese" happening.
    This is a regular refrain in the "Cut vs Uncut" debate, but this is only problematic for those with poor hygiene habits, such as teenage boys.

    As someone who showers at least twice a day (Malaysia being a tropical climate), I've never had a problem keeping my uncircumcised penis minty fresh and healthy.

    The only medical claim that has ever stood up to scrutiny is that circumcised men in Africa have a reduced prevalence of catching HIV from vaginal intercourse, but then again, if you're bare-backing women in Africa then maybe that's your problem?

    Personally, I would prefer to keep my foreskin and either wear a condom or stick to masturbating.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    getting into some personal territory that I don't feel like treading, so let me try and zoom thru this.

    dick cheese only becomes an issue if you don't live in an area with a supply of water for extended periods of time. ie, the desert, in biblical times, and even then a small amount of water is all that is needed to correct the issue.

    I had an occurrence of this only one time in my life. I was probably 3 or 4 years old, and was too scared to pull the skin back all the way for fear of my cock head falling off. it eventually started to hurt, so I took the step forward and pulled the skin back to wash it. that was that.

    as for the idea that the foreskin is "the most sensitive part of the male body" that is also bullshit. I never blew a load from fingering my foreskin, it's not possible. however, that having been said, circumcision is another sign of the callous nature of society towards men and boys, that violence is always acceptable. the fact that women still think men need to be circumcised is a perfect example of how far beneath us they are.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Our Man in Penang View Post
    The only medical claim that has ever stood up to scrutiny is that circumcised men in Africa have a reduced prevalence of catching HIV from vaginal intercourse, but then again, if you're bare-backing women in Africa then maybe that's your problem?

    WHO | Male circumcision for HIV prevention
    The point is that the same guys in Africa are also those who probably go and rape for various reasons, and that is more common than you think, only the feminists in the West rant all day about "rape culture" that doesn't exist, while in Africa it's part of a normal day.
    While yes, the medical claim is valid, if you fuck anywhere, especially Africa without a condom, you deserve what's coming to you. Might as well play a Russian roulette with one chamber empty by yourself than screw a girl without condom, in Africa.
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    The purpose of circumcision is to reduce the pleasure than a man gets during sex. The purpose is twofold: first, it is intended to reduce the power that women have over men; and second, masturbation makes Baby Jesus cry.

    What do you call it when a person has a bodily function (sexual pleasure) significantly and permanently impaired by illness or injury? You say that the person is crippled. That's the right word for it. The purpose of genital mutilation - male and female - is to cripple people's sexuality. It's not an unfortunate side-effect. It's the whole point of the excercise.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    The purpose of circumcision is to reduce the pleasure than a man gets during sex. The purpose is twofold: first, it is intended to reduce the power that women have over men; and second, masturbation makes Baby Jesus cry.

    What do you call it when a person has a bodily function (sexual pleasure) significantly and permanently impaired by illness or injury? You say that the person is crippled. That's the right word for it. The purpose of genital mutilation - male and female - is to cripple people's sexuality. It's not an unfortunate side-effect. It's the whole point of the excercise.
    Which, in this day and age, is an asset for a man . Pussy is a horrible drug for me to abstain from- and I'm circumcised at that. I'm actually greatful for being crippled in that respect.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Our Man in Penang View Post
    My thoughts on circumcision are that it should be illegal to carry it out on anyone under 18 unless medically necessary and fake diagnosis of phimosis (the usual bullsit medical diagnosis to justify it) should be a felony

    Is phimosis overdiagnosed in boys and a... [Ann R Coll Surg Engl. 1989] - PubMed - NCBI

    After he becomes an adult he can get it done - Jew or Gentile - IDGAF!

    One of the reasons that they do it is that it is viewed as more aesthetically pleasing for the female - well fuck that for a lark. I think having your beef curtains cut off with a rusty razor blade as aesthetically pleasing, but that isn't a sufficient reason for FGM (really it is more akin to a cliterodectomy), so it shouldn't justify male circumcision. A Nigerian girl who was interviewing me as a potential wallet had had it done and she was 30, but had the waxed gash of a teenager.

    I've always suspected that American preponderance for masturbating with lotion was a side-effect of circumcision, but that is just a personal view. Certainly I've not seen Jurgens or anything similar being used in Europe.
    I'm with on all of this.

    The reading I've done indicates that the practice of circumcision for everybody came about because some of some crackpot idea that it would discourage masturbation.

    Doing this to babies with no anaesthetic should be classified as torture and punished accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob View Post
    Doing this to babies with no anaesthetic should be classified as torture and punished accordingly.
    It wasn't that long ago that heart surgery was done on infants with no anesthesia.

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    Re: Circumcision and My Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    The purpose of circumcision is to reduce the pleasure than a man gets during sex. The purpose is twofold: first, it is intended to reduce the power that women have over men; and second, masturbation makes Baby Jesus cry.
    Made me think of this one...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavian View Post
    There's no point in discussing it in depth. The cunts run the show now. The father has been deleted from the decision making process regarding children, which means if I or any other male in America has a kid we will have more power over the Chinese Politburo then our offsprings future.

    As such, I can go in depth about the double standard on circumcision. But it's without relevance. In a day and age where having sex as a man is a financial and emotional death sentence, the presence or lack thereof of foreskin is pretty much moot. It's like wondering what targets to buy in a country where it's illegal to own a firearm.
    So mutilation is OK as long as you're not going to use that body part to begin with? This is completely immoral, I genuinely hope you can see that.

    Obviously males should be given a choice, and that choice should be made when they're an adult so we're sure they're informed about their decision and able to consent to the procedure. How this isn't universally obvious is completely beyond me.


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