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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    I unintentionally fathered a child at 18, and I fulfilled my legal obligations to him. However, I never wanted children. Ever. To paint with a broad brush like the harpy in the article does, saying that somehow it's an obligation to have kids is frustrating for me to read. Not everyone wants to produce kids. Some of us know we won't be good parents. Some of us know we have high probability of passing on a genetic abnormality. Some of us (points finger at self), just don't want to do what "everyone else does" because we're stubbornly independent and unorthodox.

    I've never been able to understand the "biological clock" and why at a certain point a woman decides it is her life's mission to have a child. It's one of those things that makes me say "hmmm", and then I quit trying to figure it out and go do something fun. Then again, I've never understood the flak I caught and still catch for being in my 40's and child-free. It's like elementary school - if you don't do what everyone else does, you stand out; you're weird; you're gonna catch hell for it.

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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    It's like elementary school - if you don't do what everyone else does, you stand out; you're weird; you're gonna catch hell for it.
    yeah.. have a look at my thread "Great Lie".. that "be yourself" is one of the greatest lies I've ever been told.....
    (furthermore, I often find myself wondering how much time I spent being lied to in government class.... seems my "inalienable" rights proved to be anything but... I couldn't invoke even the smallest of them without being ground under the rights of someone else... it was like I didn't count... )
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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonitus View Post
    I unintentionally fathered a child at 18, and I fulfilled my legal obligations to him. However, I never wanted children. Ever. To paint with a broad brush like the harpy in the article does, saying that somehow it's an obligation to have kids is frustrating for me to read. Not everyone wants to produce kids. Some of us know we won't be good parents. Some of us know we have high probability of passing on a genetic abnormality. Some of us (points finger at self), just don't want to do what "everyone else does" because we're stubbornly independent and unorthodox.

    I've never been able to understand the "biological clock" and why at a certain point a woman decides it is her life's mission to have a child. It's one of those things that makes me say "hmmm", and then I quit trying to figure it out and go do something fun. Then again, I've never understood the flak I caught and still catch for being in my 40's and child-free. It's like elementary school - if you don't do what everyone else does, you stand out; you're weird; you're gonna catch hell for it.
    Yeah I was born not wanting to have kids. When it comes to relatives and family members giving men shit for not having kids, another big reason is their own selfishness. They feel entitled to vicariously relive their parenting days just because they were parents at one point, and they can't handle the fact that their children are now adults. That's why they could never be aware of this bias. They still see their children as means to an end.

    I see the signs. My mom is starting to address my dog like he's a baby - she refers to my dad in the third person as if he's the parent of my dog and not an owner. Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but there's a palpable difference between a healthy dog/human interaction and one that resembles displaced motherhood. It would be sad if it wasn't so creepy.

    I'm only 26 so my relatives don't sense any kind of emergency. They drop occasional hints, but don't push it because I'm still in my crazy bachelor "phase".
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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    actually... I'm starting to wonder if Aldous Huxley might have had the right idea in "Brave New World".. (kids being "decanted" instead of "born" and raised in state conditioning centers....)
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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    just got this to say about the OP....
    just how are men supposed to "man up" if we're still constantly getting the impression that we aren't welcome or wanted???

    and as for the ladies.... I think V had it right on this matter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    just got this to say about the OP....
    just how are men supposed to "man up" if we're still constantly getting the impression that we aren't welcome or wanted???
    Eiji: Please check your posts and count how many times you use the phrase "aren't welcome or wanted." It is getting to be as hackneyed as JJ saying "dyn-o-mite" on the 70s sitcom, "Good Times," or Urkle saying "Did I do that?"
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    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuggets View Post
    Yeah I was born not wanting to have kids. When it comes to relatives and family members giving men shit for not having kids, another big reason is their own selfishness. They feel entitled to vicariously relive their parenting days just because they were parents at one point, and they can't handle the fact that their children are now adults. That's why they could never be aware of this bias. They still see their children as means to an end.

    I see the signs. My mom is starting to address my dog like he's a baby - she refers to my dad in the third person as if he's the parent of my dog and not an owner. Don't get me wrong, I love dogs, but there's a palpable difference between a healthy dog/human interaction and one that resembles displaced motherhood. It would be sad if it wasn't so creepy.

    I'm only 26 so my relatives don't sense any kind of emergency. They drop occasional hints, but don't push it because I'm still in my crazy bachelor "phase".
    The whole point of owning a dog is being able to baby talk to it .

    Cause baby talking to human baby is wrong . It will arrest baby`s development .

    Living in the city you either hate people , have nobody to talk to , are incapable of loving anyone . Or all three .

    So of course a dog is your baby
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    Time to "Man Up" guys. It is all our fault that women are having kids late in life, or not having them at all!! It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the women wanting their own careers, some time - a decade or two - for them to ride the 'cock carousel' while accumulating a cock count somewhere north of an entire college football, with all of it's bench players too, and basketball team combined. Yep ... we are to BLAME. It is all OUR fault. The females are totally blameless. (there are a few good nuggets in the article ... I was shocked that the editor actually let them sneak in) Older and Wiser Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life New York Post:By Melanie Notkin Link: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life | New York Post I hear the same story, told in different ways, all over New York City. There’s 34-year-old Kate, who works in finance downtown. “She’s beautiful, smart, talented . . . everything going for her,” her colleague tells me. “But her boyfriend doesn’t feel settled in his career, so she spent thousands of dollars to freeze her eggs as she waits for him to be ready.” Susan, 41, a single senior marketing executive from the Upper East Side, is eight months pregnant. After waiting for her match and not finding him, she decided to have a baby on her own. And then there’s Joanna, from the Upper West Side, who tells me that at age 32, she stepped off the partner track at her law firm, halving her salary to work in the firm’s marketing department, so she could focus on landing a husband. But at 39, Joanna is still single and childless — and unsatisfied in her career. These women aren’t alone. The latest US Census Fertility Report, published last week, found that for the first time in reported history over half (53.8 percent) of women ages 25-29 are childless and a record 30.8 percent of American women ages 30 to 34 haven’t given birth. Most of these women are college-educated. And most are single. The census labels childless college-educated women over age 35 the “delayer boom” — as if we gathered together in a collective conspiracy in defiance of motherhood. Others dub this cohort “career women” as if we made a choice between having a family and a career. (There are no “career men,” mind you.) Some blame women for being naive about their fertility, as if we had no monthly reminder of our own ticking clock. The trouble with all this finger pointing is that it leaves out half of the baby-making equation: men. Women want an equal partner, but there are increasingly fewer candidates to choose from. The census reports that “the average adult woman in the US is more likely to be a college graduate than the average adult man.” Moreover, today’s young, childless female city-dwellers with college degrees are out-earning their male counterparts by 8 cents on the dollar. Their higher incomes may be why they are less likely (29 percent) to be living with their parents than single men (35 percent). It’s not surprising then that a 2012 Pew Research study found, in a reversal of traditional gender roles, that while two-thirds of millennial women say that “being successful in a high-paying career or profession” is of high importance to them, only 59 percent of young men do. At the same time, a significantly larger number of young women than men say that a successful marriage is “one of the most important things in life.” Almost 60 percent of women rate successful parenting as one of the most important parts of life, while only 47 percent of young men do, according to Pew. Today’s empowered young women are not only placing greater value on the importance of marriage and parenthood than the generation that precedes them, they also value high paying careers more than ever. And millennial men? They’re lagging behind. This shift has caused a seesaw effect. “When women are in oversupply, men have the advantage and delay marriage and parenthood,” Jon Birger, author of “Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game,” told The Post. And when men are scarce, women put an even stronger focus on their careers so they can take care of themselves with a financial safety net. Meanwhile, men take a step back in their career ambition, no longer having to impress an oversupply of women with their financial prowess. more at link: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life | New York Post
    As soon as we get the authority that comes with the major responsibility of marrying and having kids I'd possibly consider it but when you "get bored" of me and can run off with half my shit? Nah. I'll pass, thanks. I'll just date casually without living with the other person. Marriage is a liability. But of course it's us who is to blame for women's bad choices. Trad Cons and simps both pedestalize women. They can do no wrong.

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    Selfish women are to blame for men not wanting to have kids with them -- Time to Man Out guys!!

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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    Women feel entitled to men's sperm and 18 years of child support payments - before they've even met him.

    Men are selfish and childish.

    Pick one, ladies.

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    I still believe that given a fair chance most men would love to settle down and get married. Have kids. But they see what happens, they may have even seen it happen to their own fathers like I did.

    As far as women go. They like to plan for their careers and most are still studying till their early 30's. They like to stay slim and play sports, go to the gym. Fuck Chad. Then they start panicking around mid 30's and by then it is already too late. By then all the decent guys they rejected have gone MGTOW and no longer care.

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    It just goes to show you, there is NOTHING that feminists won't blame on men. They never take responsibility for anything. I wouldn't be surprised if some feminist blamed men for menstrual cramps or for gravity.

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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    women demand to be paid the same money as men. Never mind different levels of effort, ability, education or career choice. They want to abolish the 'pay gap' and have equality of outcome.

    Simultaneously, every woman wants to marry a man who makes more than she does.

    We hear women complaining about there being 'no good men' left all the time.
    We never really see rich men without at least one woman.
    Usually, wealthy men have more than one woman available.
    And, we never see rich women choosing to date/marry a man with less money than her (at least not willingly).

    But ultimately, we are talking about the same group of men.

    It still hasn't occurred to feminists that it is mathematically impossible for men as a group to make the same money as women as a group... while each individual woman gets to marry an individual man who makes more than she does. To women: We either make the same (and so no woman can marry up), or we make more (and all of you can marry up), or we make less (and all of you must marry down). You're mad if we make more than you. You're mad if you can't marry up. And you're mad if you have to marry down.

    There is not one of these three scenarios that at least some women will not complain about.

    If there is any woman reading this who can spot the error in my math, please point it out.

    There is no man shortage for these women to marry. There is an abundance of men who would marry if the woman agreed to financially support them in a lifetime marriage, accept blame for the 50% of marriages that fail, and then say goodbye to her home, her children and half her earned wealth + child support and alimony anytime the man chooses to file a no-fault divorce and take off. If women really want equality with men (and they actually get it), that will be the ONLY terms available. These are the ONLY terms men have been agreeing to for generations. And if women don't 'woman up' and accept them, as men have, then they will not have the equality with men that they say they want.

    If there is a woman reading this who can spot the error in my logic, please point that out as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrainPilot View Post
    women demand to be paid the same money as men. Never mind different levels of effort, ability, education or career choice. They want to abolish the 'pay gap' and have equality of outcome.

    Simultaneously, every woman wants to marry a man who makes more than she does.

    We hear women complaining about there being 'no good men' left all the time.
    We never really see rich men without at least one woman.
    Usually, wealthy men have more than one woman available.
    And, we never see rich women choosing to date/marry a man with less money than her (at least not willingly).

    But ultimately, we are talking about the same group of men.

    It still hasn't occurred to feminists that it is mathematically impossible for men as a group to make the same money as women as a group... while each individual woman gets to marry an individual man who makes more than she does. To women: We either make the same (and so no woman can marry up), or we make more (and all of you can marry up), or we make less (and all of you must marry down). You're mad if we make more than you. You're mad if you can't marry up. And you're mad if you have to marry down.

    There is not one of these three scenarios that at least some women will not complain about.

    If there is any woman reading this who can spot the error in my math, please point it out.

    There is no man shortage for these women to marry. There is an abundance of men who would marry if the woman agreed to financially support them in a lifetime marriage, accept blame for the 50% of marriages that fail, and then say goodbye to her home, her children and half her earned wealth + child support and alimony anytime the man chooses to file a no-fault divorce and take off. If women really want equality with men (and they actually get it), that will be the ONLY terms available. These are the ONLY terms men have been agreeing to for generations. And if women don't 'woman up' and accept them, as men have, then they will not have the equality with men that they say they want.

    If there is a woman reading this who can spot the error in my logic, please point that out as well.
    Great points. I wonder if any woman can see how absurd it is for women to demand to be able to marry a man who makes more than her. Imagine this. A man is a really successful associate in a law firm pulling in 90K per year. His wife is a successful accountant making 60K per year. So between them, they make 150K per year. In most parts of the country, you can live really well on that. Let's say that's the case with them. They live in Des Moines, Iowa. 150K per year is doing great there. You can live very comfortably. Now swap their jobs. She's the lawyer pulling in 90K per year and his the accountant making 60K per year. As long as they both like their work, to my mind they're doing great, just like the other example. But many women in this situation look down on their husband and get itchy to leave. They feel like they're 30K better than their husband. Who said we have to measure people's value by numbers? If he's pulling in 60K, that's good money, and his work is good, honest work. It's not like he's a drug dealer or something.

    They said they wanted equality. So they should FUCKING ACCEPT A MAN WHO MAKES LESS THEN THEY DO! Why would they make themselves miserable when there are plenty of good men out there who would accept them? It's just that if a woman makes 90K, she makes more money than most men. IMO she's a sick fuck if she thinks that 90K makes her better than an accountant making 60K, or a plumber making 55K! As long as the dude is earning an honest living doing honorable work, why the fuck would they care? They're sick fucks.

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    Women place men in control of women's choices. And then, of course, complain about it.
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    Re: "Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life" - -Time to "Man Up" guys!!

    I maybe childish by having cool man cave decor and watch pinball videos but unlike these guys who maned up and got married to one of these nagging bitches telling them to man up, I'm happy with how I live for the most part.
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    Wow, it's almost as if men with half a brain are seeing how women behave during their child bearing years and deciding not to sire offspring with them! I'm shocked, I tell you! SHOCKED!


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