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    Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Appearently itís no longer No Means No, itís now Yes Means Yes. Of course it will still be a he said/ she said thing in court when the woman decides later on itís rape.

    In short, nothing has actually changed here.

    Some MGTOW comments from readers.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...09-p5b8bu.html

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Ha, the Aussie article came out August 10th and I see they've already closed the comments section. Its still August 10th here in Seattle.

    From the article:

    [Andrea Dworkin] was articulating something previously unsayable about encounters between men and women: the eroticism stems for the former violating the boundaries of the latter.
    Seems to me that perception has a basis in the common scenario where the woman enjoys the man's hands roaming all over her body just as much as the man enjoys it. He positions her, he does the thrusting. He asserts, she responds. The man's body is the body in motion more than her body and can only look like the aggressor, if there has to be an aggressor.

    Every movie you've ever seen shows him taking her in his arms, dominating. She lets hm. She reads romance novels (the so-called "bodice rippers") where the man takes the initiative.

    Instead, how about if he just lays there and she is the one with arms and hands in motion, to unbuckle his pants, to undress him, to make sure to fellate him first thing, then pull him to her? The actions of consent. How about if all the movies and romance novels depict it that way, repeatedly?
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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post
    Appearently itís no longer No Means No, itís now Yes Means Yes. Of course it will still be a he said/ she said thing in court when the woman decides later on itís rape.

    In short, nothing has actually changed here.

    Some MGTOW comments from readers.
    https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...09-p5b8bu.html
    "Yes means yes" basically means, "If I'm fully conscious and aware and I'm a woman, I am under no obligation to say 'no' if I don't want to fuck." Basically, it's rape, if they don't have some conversation similar to this:
    Him: Want to have sex?
    Her: Yes.
    Of course this requirement is absurd in the real world since people consent to sex all the time without specifically saying an affirmative.

    Sex is too dangerous nowadays. You might as well bang a fleshlight.

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Luckily we have legalised prostitution here in Australia. I don't know why any guy would willingly put themselves at risk given the climate.

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    "Yes means yes" undermines the principle of "in doubt for the accused" - one of the core principles of Roman law.

    Rest in piece you ignorants, who believe feminists.

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSisko View Post
    Luckily we have legalised prostitution here in Australia. I don't know why any guy would willingly put themselves at risk given the climate.
    Beat me to it.

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    oh, and here's one of my favourite lies:
    On the contrary: the main purpose of “affirmative consent” laws is symbolic. It is about changing men’s default settings on sex away from breathtaking entitlement.
    Men do not feel entitled to sex. If men felt entitled to sex, we would be lounging around waiting for the sex to drop into our laps, and whining to the government and media when it didn't. If men felt entitled to sex, we wouldn't pay for it.

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    God thoses women are cunts, it's just ain't worth it anymore. If you need to bust just get a doll/onahole/robot pussy.

    Simple and clean

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSisko View Post
    Luckily we have legalised prostitution here in Australia. I don't know why any guy would willingly put themselves at risk given the climate.
    One of my first Pre MGTOW moves was losing my virginity to an escort rather than risking anything with a regular woman. I was only 17 but I already knew it was too much bullshit to bother with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoking Wizard View Post
    "Yes means yes" undermines the principle of "in doubt for the accused" - one of the core principles of Roman law.

    Rest in piece you ignorants, who believe feminists.
    Maybe Iím just being really simple here but to me itís the same thing. More importantly though she can still say Yes and then later on decide that she didnít really mean it or whatever and accuse the man of rape.

    In short nothing has changed for men or women with this law.

    Quote Originally Posted by TigPlaze View Post
    "Yes means yes" basically means, "If I'm fully conscious and aware and I'm a woman, I am under no obligation to say 'no' if I don't want to fuck." Basically, it's rape, if they don't have some conversation similar to this:
    Him: Want to have sex?
    Her: Yes.
    Of course this requirement is absurd in the real world since people consent to sex all the time without specifically saying an affirmative.

    Sex is too dangerous nowadays. You might as well bang a fleshlight.
    I imagine a cautious man asking so many times that it kills the mood even for himself!

    Some of the follow up articles Iíve read in regards to this mention that Yes can mean non verbal cues as well. Overall it is too confusing and too dangerous for the man I agree.


    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Ha, the Aussie article came out August 10th and I see they've already closed the comments section. Its still August 10th here in Seattle.

    From the article:



    Seems to me that perception has a basis in the common scenario where the woman enjoys the man's hands roaming all over her body just as much as the man enjoys it. He positions her, he does the thrusting. He asserts, she responds. The man's body is the body in motion more than her body and can only look like the aggressor, if there has to be an aggressor.

    Every movie you've ever seen shows him taking her in his arms, dominating. She lets hm. She reads romance novels (the so-called "bodice rippers") where the man takes the initiative.

    Instead, how about if he just lays there and she is the one with arms and hands in motion, to unbuckle his pants, to undress him, to make sure to fellate him first thing, then pull him to her? The actions of consent. How about if all the movies and romance novels depict it that way, repeatedly?
    They have been talking about non verbal cues like clothes coming off and touching, not backing off etc.

    In a way it almost seems like they are tired of all the false accusations and are very carefully trying to make women think a little whilst still coming off as feminist.

    I also agree it is always up to the man to make all the decisions put himself at risk, take control. Just like drunken sex, if both people are drunk and have sex why is it the man who is considered the predator? Maybe neither are predators but just drunk?

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Beat me to it.

    --- edit ---

    oh, and here's one of my favourite lies:

    Men do not feel entitled to sex. If men felt entitled to sex, we would be lounging around waiting for the sex to drop into our laps, and whining to the government and media when it didn't. If men felt entitled to sex, we wouldn't pay for it.
    I would say women feel entitled to sex or at least entitled to the idea that every man wants to have sex with her. Ever rejected a woman or not picked up on her cues? It's not pretty.

    Even the ugly ones think they are a temptation.

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    Re: Change in consent laws (Australia) ie nothing actually changes.

    I was perusing a dating site on the internet for shits and giggles.
    Came across a woman who was at least 300 lbs. and literally morbidly obese and unattractive.
    Looked below at her feed, and she had "liked" a guy who could have competed in Mr. Olympia... he was super-fit, chiseled with model-like features.
    I was shocked... the hubris in women today is massive.
    I think she actually believed she deserved a fitness model as a boyfriend.
    Unreal.


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