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    Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Based on articles in MGTOW websites about how the Catholic Church has been infiltrated by leftists from the 1960's to the present and news articles about South America and the Philippines, these Catholic dominated countries are already infected by the leftist mind virus because when the Catholic Church became leftist, the devout Catholics in these countries also became leftist. Feminist rallies and events and LGBT pride marches are now common in these countries. Love ballads, soft rock, and hipster music are now played in public places like malls, and lots of men dress like hipster soyboys with horned rimmed glasses, tight shirts, tight jeans, and flip-flops/pointed shoes. Talk to a latino online criticizing the feminist and LGBT movement and you will get angry reactions and insults. There is also news that many upper middle and upper class people from these countries tend toward liberalism, cynicism, and atheism (the cucked leftist soyboy variety). There is also the fact that many South American countries like Cuba are communist, and the Philippines has had majority of its presidents from the 1960's onward come from left-wing political parties and many members of its congress and senate are also members of the CPP (Communist Party of the Philippines), and aside from the on and off war against the MILF (Moro-Islamic Liberation Front) in the island of Mindanao, there is also an ongoing civil war against the communist NPA (New People's Army). In fact, the dictator Ferdinand Marcos tried to nationalize all the businesses and eliminate the free market and private ownership of businesses in the 1970's-1980's. Are there still places on Earth not affected by leftism?

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    I'm going to counter-signal you just a little bit here. The Catholic Church was subverted by the KGB--if you are familiar with Bella Dodd this is pretty common knowledge. Keep in mind, "The ol' Red, White, and Blue" also subverted the Catholic Church. Protestant Ministries were pushed in South America and The Philippines to undermine the Catholic Majority in these nations. It should come as no surprise that the Rockefeller Foundations were putting in millions to undermine the Catholic Church in the US.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    This post seems like an odd "introduction" to the site. And as I read the forum rules I suspect it is right on the line of what is appropriate. The post reads more like a screed than analysis. So let me clarify. The Jesuits ascribed to "liberation theology" beginning in South America and Central America back in the 50s. This was largely a reaction to the church's past friendly support and association with fascist dictatorships; and the need to forge "friendly" relationships with the new socialist governments that overthrew the fascists.

    Sadly the Jesuits have long been a powerful political force within the church hierarchy, and with their influence came acceptance of the "liberation theology". The current pope is a fine example. Where I think the poster misses the mark however is the influence of liberalism/feminism as a political force impacting the policy of ALL christian churches. Please recall that Lutherans, Episcopals, Anglicans etc have included women in the church hierarchy for decades. And with the influx of women came more and more liberalism...finally the word of God itself has been rejected and in its place is "Acceptance" of everyone and everything. So the churches no longer stand for anything---which is why throughout Europe they are empty Sunday morning. Where does this end? We've seen it. There is a lesbian bishop in Sweden who has ordered the removal of the cross from all the churches in her parish so that Muslims will not be offended.

    That is where the poison of feminism in the church leads.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    I am far from convinced that any Catholic countries where a "safe haven" for MGTOWs. Even more so considering how many Catholics are TradCons.

    Frank V.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Frank is right. As official policy the church always promoted marriage and children because it meant more folks in the pews. So the church has never been friendly to the MGTOW way of life. Only once was I confronted about this issue, and told I was failing my duty to god by not marrying; and I was just being selfish and so on and so on.

    I won that debate by pointing out that today's "modern" liberated woman is NOTHING like the companion for man that was spoken of in Genesis. And St. Paul himself admonished men NOT to get married in his gospels because marriage and the vicissitudes of women were a distraction from association with God. "I wish that all men were even as I myself" (I Corinthians 7:7).

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete View Post
    This post seems like an odd "introduction" to the site. And as I read the forum rules I suspect it is right on the line of what is appropriate. The post reads more like a screed than analysis. So let me clarify. The Jesuits ascribed to "liberation theology" beginning in South America and Central America back in the 50s. This was largely a reaction to the church's past friendly support and association with fascist dictatorships; and the need to forge "friendly" relationships with the new socialist governments that overthrew the fascists.

    Sadly the Jesuits have long been a powerful political force within the church hierarchy, and with their influence came acceptance of the "liberation theology". The current pope is a fine example. Where I think the poster misses the mark however is the influence of liberalism/feminism as a political force impacting the policy of ALL christian churches. Please recall that Lutherans, Episcopals, Anglicans etc have included women in the church hierarchy for decades. And with the influx of women came more and more liberalism...finally the word of God itself has been rejected and in its place is "Acceptance" of everyone and everything. So the churches no longer stand for anything---which is why throughout Europe they are empty Sunday morning. Where does this end? We've seen it. There is a lesbian bishop in Sweden who has ordered the removal of the cross from all the churches in her parish so that Muslims will not be offended.

    That is where the poison of feminism in the church leads.
    Thank you for this information. I did not discuss the leftist infiltration of other Christian denominations because the people in this forum may already know that. I just wanted to point out how leftism has infiltrated Catholic countries because I have read articles of MGTOW websites praising South America and the Philippines, claiming that they are right wing and MGTOW friendly, but this is misinformation, because based on research I have done about the political status of these countries in news websites and wikipedia, leftist activity in these countries has increased.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank V. View Post
    I am far from convinced that any Catholic countries where a "safe haven" for MGTOWs. Even more so considering how many Catholics are TradCons.

    Frank V.
    True, considering how leftist the Catholic Church has become since the 2nd Vatican Council from October 11, 1962 – December 8, 1965.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    I was raised a religious Protestant and it made me what I am today, an agnostic unbeliever. I really don't care what the Roman Catholic Church has to say. Just another irrelevant church trying to tell me what to do.

    Frank V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank V. View Post
    I was raised a religious Protestant and it made me what I am today, an agnostic unbeliever. I really don't care what the Roman Catholic Church has to say. Just another irrelevant church trying to tell me what to do.

    Frank V.
    True us MGTOW do not need to be told what to do by any religion or ideology, we make our own decisions using logic.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank V. View Post
    I was raised a religious Protestant and it made me what I am today, an agnostic unbeliever. I really don't care what the Roman Catholic Church has to say. Just another irrelevant church trying to tell me what to do.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Frank raises a good point. Organized religions (which serve their own bureaucratic interests) are not the same as a belief in God. I often tell people Adam believed in God and yet he didn't go to church, Moses lead his people out of Egypt but he didn't have to endure the weekly shake-down for cash, or the blithering of the "women's auxiliary" whatever the hell that is...

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Here is more evidence that Catholic countries are not a safe haven for MGTOW men: a law, that infringes on freedom of speech, was passed in a Catholic country stating that simply saying offensive things towards a woman or LGBT person is grounds for arrest. Note that this law only protects women and the LGBT, heterosexual men who are subjected to the treatment listed below cannot call the police to arrest the offender and file a case in court. Here is a list of what is prohibited by this law:

    Cursing, wolf-whistling, catcalling, leering and intrusive gazing, taunting, cursing, unwanted invitations, misogynistic, transphobic, homophobic, and sexist slurs, persistent unwanted comments on one’s appearance, relentless requests for one’s personal details such as name, contact and social media details or destination, the use of words, gestures or actions that ridicule on the basis of sex gender or sexual orientation, identity and/or expression including sexist, homophobic, and transphobic statements and slurs, the persistent telling of sexual jokes, use of sexual names, comments and demands, and any statement that has made an invasion on a person’s personal space or threatens the person’s sense of personal safety.

    Saying offensive things online is also prohibited:

    Gender-Based Online Sexual Harassment. - Gender-based online sexual harassment includes acts that use information and communications technology in terrorizing and intimidating victims through physical, psychological, and emotional threats, unwanted sexual misogynistic, transphobic, homophobic and sexist remarks and comments online whether publicly or through direct and private messages, invasion of victim’s privacy through cyberstalking and incessant messaging, uploading and sharing without the consent of the victim, any form of media that contains photos, voice, or video with sexual content, any unauthorized recording and sharing of any of the victim’s photos, videos, or any information online, impersonating identities of victims online or posting lies about victims to harm their reputation, or filing false abuse reports to online platforms to silence victims.

    The following behaviors are now defined as "stalking":

    Repeated visual or physical proximity, non-consensual communication, or a combination thereof that cause or will likely cause a person to fear for one’s own safety or the safety of others, or to suffer emotional distress.

    The new totalitarian law that was passed can be read below:

    https://www.pcw.gov.ph/law/republic-act-11313

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Actually, done right, MGTOW are safe in any gynocentric country. We know the rules in this slanted game of gender dynamics, placing us far above that of mere mortal man!

    If we have zero contact or interaction with these "agents of government" (women) there's no way, avenue, or reason for them to arrest us.

    It's the man that interacts unwary of the grossly slanted and warped laws that stands the greatest chance of being harmed.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    The church panders to it's audience: females. Single mothers, old crows and crones... whipped old men and a few "dutiful" young men sporting that ridiculous dutiful/determined look on their faces, heads head so dangerously high. As if going to church and praying REAL HARD like a good boy is going to save him, long run, from her despicable nature. Sad.

    Men are leaving the church as they are leaving the universities - or any other institution where women and socialism is taking over. Why? It's not a place worth being for a man. Gynocentric places cater to the weakest of them - and they go tribal and are rife with infighting for pecking order on the oppression pole. Men are not wired like that.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    No country is immune from gynocentrism. But I do agree you see the most extreme forms of gynocentrism coming from catholic countries. This is because like others have pointed out the bulk of members are women. So the agenda is driven to cater to women's needs and wants.

    If a man wants to still pursue a spiritual journey do it outside the confines of traditional church. Go to a monastery with monks or go on your own personal journey.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    The worse countries ever are those where feminism grew on a catholic sub base, you will hardly find worse place than spain or italy for dealing with women.

    They basically take the worse of both.

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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    In the late 50's the Vatican declared the virgin Mary a deity (a god) they ushered in gynocentrism the same time bishops were covering up the priests that were molesting choir boys! What self respecting vestige of masculinity wants any part of that? Another one for the shitcan! Hole in one!

    I'm certain the eyes of god are smiling on MGTOW, with an occasional outburst of laughter!
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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Coming from a catholic country (Ireland) I must disagree with the sentiment of the title of this thread. Catholic countries were NEVER a haven for the MGTOW minded. When I was young bachelors were considered oddities. They didn’t marry? Why not? What’s wrong with them? They must be gay! They’re probably paedophiles!

    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete View Post
    As official policy the church always promoted marriage and children because it meant more folks in the pews.
    I couldn’t agree with this more. Have lots of children. More sheep, we need more sheep.

    Thankfully the times they are a-changing. The church here is losing its grip on society. With the rise in gynocracy, LGTB rights etc. many are going the MGTOW way even if they’ve never heard of the term. There is no longer much of a stigma attached to men deciding to remain single (although there is admittedly some).

    Maybe the Irish attitude of accepting differing views while not necessarily agreeing with them with phrases like “Sure, you’ll have that” and “You have a point, but I fail to see it” has something to do with this.
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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Agreed Jackoff---MGTOW will never be accepted by the religious crowd--most of the religions are just white knight knitting circles; Its hard to be religious and MGTOW at the same time. OF course there is always St. Paul's admonition against marriage. I worry about Ireland--they are TRYING to import non-whites and this will undermine their culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete View Post
    I worry about Ireland--they are TRYING to import non-whites and this will undermine their culture.
    I also worry about Ireland's future. The culture I believe will survive albeit in a diluted form, a sort of "this is our heritage and where we come from".

    As for encouraging non-whites, I don't know what I think about that specifically. It will and is having an impact undoubtedly, but because of our history we are grossly underpopulated. In my opinion we need an influx of younger people for economic reasons. I would rather see immigrants from the Irish dispora, of which there are many, but the political and economic situation here does not lend itself to this so we have to look elsewhere.

    Irish people tend to be very clannish, an "us versus them" mentality if you will. This has little to do with racism as it manifests in what area you are from. Northern Dubliners see themselves as different from Southern Dubliners. Northern Irish and Southern Irish often see themselves as distinct peoples although our histories are so intertwined as to be indistinct to outsiders.

    As for immigrants to Ireland I see differences in attitude and acclimation. Blacks (Africans) tend to keep to themselves as do Chinese and even Spanish. Eastern Europeans such as the Polish tend to integrate more and try to "get on" with the native population.

    Bigotry sadly seems to be a part of being Irish, but for the most part it is an acceptable bigotry in so far as no-one is immune. We (not me) as a people love to moan and complain about "the other people", but that being said most of us bear no ill-will towards others. Most have a live and let live attitude. Unfortunately the younger generations seem to be becoming more extreme in their views and behaviours which can only lead to increased tensions and reactions.
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    Re: Catholic countries no longer a safe haven for MGTOW men

    Take it from me, even Islam is now changing. Here in Saudi, there are plenty of men who consider themselves feminists and gynocentric agenda is being promoted very heavily.

    If any religion is planning on keeping their male congregations, they are going to have to start protecting their rights, giving them back their advantageous positions.

    But it won't happen because:

    Men do not care anymore, and rightly they shouldn't give a damn.
    Religions want to be part of the modern world for fear of becoming insignificant.
    A mother cannot raise a boy to be a man, not because he needs a father figure; but because she favours team vagina over her own son.

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