Thread: Calling all men: this is what we can do to help women feel safe exercising in the dark

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...se-in-the-dark

Calling all men to make women feel safer exercising.

Yes boys, you need to do even more to make women feel safe. Because we’re all rapists I guess.


Sounds like a good way to get shot, an no, you won’t get a crumb of pussy for “helping”.

I got news for them, the kind of dark that's coming, even I'm afraid of!

I never thought of it in terms of making women (or anybody) "feel safe", but I suppose this counts.

I exercise alone.

They are strong independent women so let them help themselves. Why should I help them? I am not a Chad so they will just turn on me any time I help them.

Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER

They are strong independent women so let them help themselves. Why should I help them? I am not a Chad so they will just turn on me any time I help them.

They only turn on you when you stop helping them!

Well, gosh, it would be dark for women no matter what women did in the dark. It would be dark for everyone. So, in the case of running/jogging/walking, we each gauge the level of risk for placing ourselves in the dark and for an extended period of time, likely taking the same path each time, alone, and decide if we want to take the risk of being someone's target.

It's not a woman thing. It's a self-defense thing. There are plenty of men who get mugged in the dark. There are plenty of men who have small or lightweight bodies and who are acutely aware of what that means, so it's not just the domain of women, let's remind this husband.

Just because these men do not go around verbalizing fears for their physical safety does not mean men don't assess dangers. This husband is a man, he knows that. It means men know they are not part of a protected class who gets to complain with apparent impunity.


From the article:

using the former railway line we were strolling along to exercise after dark.

What did I say? Along the railroad tracks at night? Who does this alone? Obviously his wife doesn't, and for that she's being smart. But she complains about it, and that makes her thoughtless, or it makes her a wife that she can say thoughtless things to her husband and not be corrected for it. No, instead he runs to his keyboard and composes an article.

As men, we can play a big part in reducing the stress that women shoulder.

What did I say? White night to the rescue. This pussy of a husband won't broaden his wife's thinking so he writes this article that all men need to facilitate the choices of all women. Well, he's done his job to protect his little missy, so he wants us to put some coins in his bucket for that. Let's keep women as our property, is his message. We're all in this together, guys!

News flash: The dark has dangers for everyone. Heck, even in broad daylight the Brinks trucks take a different path to the banks so as to avoid being a predictable target.

Women can adapt their behavior and own the decisions they make. Take a lighted path. Petition your local council to light a path. Run with a partner. Run more laps on a shorter path. I say run because if you're walking that dark path, you're even dumber than I had thought. Learn how to defend yourself is always an option. Guys learn self-defense in recognition of the dangers and, ladies take note, they are guys.

Fifty years of feminism and this is what we get. Sigh, I have to husband a husband.

Bring me an article, husband, where you write about any of what I've said before you go asking me to help be a husband to her, too.

Never make comments, even if you think it’s a compliment. It’s intimidating to a woman on her own. Stay quiet. If you see friends or family members making disrespectful comments to a woman, challenge them and explain why it’s not OK. We need to break the cycle of misogyny that contributes to women feeling unsafe. Show younger men what it looks like to listen to women. Talk to them about what harassment is. Help them understand why a comment they think is harmless may terrorise a woman. If you notice a woman being harassed, show your support – it can be as simple as standing between her and the harasser.

There is some serious "double think" in this one. So it starts off by basically saying as men we should be seen and not heard (I am sure the author is one step away from saying we shouldn't even be allowed at night and if so be in the company of at least 1 female relative). That our opinions, voices, our very presence is intimidating. Ok... but then it goes onto say we should go back into Alpha John Wayne protector mode and speak up against people who are being not so nice to women and correct their attitudes. Right.. so I am expected to be both a mouse and a lion as required?

Got it.

One in every five women is concerned about sexual harassment when exercising – and three in 10 have experienced it first-hand, while doing physical activity, mostly in streets and parks. And we know that people will not do something – whether that’s walking or cycling to school, or jogging before work – if they do not feel safe doing so.

That would mean 4 out of 5 don't care about it at all?

And why increase it to out of 10 for the next part? Because it sounds more dramatic? Reading between the lines the authors idea of sexual harassment is a man smiling at a woman or wishing her a good day as he jogs past her in the park or street.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

Reading between the lines the authors idea of sexual harassment is a man smiling at a woman or wishing her a good day as he jogs past her in the park or street.

Agreed... And reading between the lines the author wants all men in doors after dark so women can exercise alone in the dark without any fear...

People like this author are feminist extremists, authoritarians and fascist misandrists. Don't care what this scum is saying, do the opposite. If women are stupid enough to seek danger, fine, it's their problem and their problem alone! What is this guy thinking who he is? A member of men PD? Laughable!

He wants all the good men to change their behavior as if that's going to stop the bad people from attacking women in the dark. Good men are already good. The bad people will just ignore his advice, of course, same as before.

And do you think any of his advice will eliminate a woman's fear of the dark and its dangers? That cannot be done. For men, women, anyone, it cannot be done. Fear in the dark is primal.

It's the same fractured thinking in practice that causes governments to seek gun control as if putting restrictions on the cooperative people will control the uncooperative people. That doesn't work, either. You're going after the wrong people, both times.

Eh, he's just ingratiating himself to his wife. Standing up to her thinking wouldn't accomplish that, he knows.

It's not even worth reading such articles from an author with an IQ lower than a loaf of bread.

Chivalry is dead, and women killed it.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

There is some serious "double think" in this one. So it starts off by basically saying as men we should be seen and not heard (I am sure the author is one step away from saying we shouldn't even be allowed at night and if so be in the company of at least 1 female relative). That our opinions, voices, our very presence is intimidating. Ok... but then it goes onto say we should go back into Alpha John Wayne protector mode and speak up against people who are being not so nice to women and correct their attitudes. Right.. so I am expected to be both a mouse and a lion as required?

Got it.

Got it indeed.

Look: Everyone has a different personality. Some chicks might love being protected, are bitchy sometimes, or like to do more "adventurous" stuff. And I definitely feel that chivalry is not, in itself, a bad thing.

It's when those complicated double standards get aggressively enforced, and everyone shunned to this point that they are afraid to do anything anymore... INCLUDING freeing themselves from such a fucked up "relationship"... And when this stuff gets so ridiculously taken to an extreme as the author did in his shitty article (thanks for quoting it here, I do definitely NOT want to read this shit without someone to immediately debunk it afterwards) that things get destructive.

So basically, whatever I do, I am fucked and not "doing enough to protect woman".

I am sorry, what?!!?

there once may have been a time when large numbers of men might be petitioned in a mass media article to do something to help insure the safety of women. And, as I think of it now, there was a time when most men did that sort of thing without even being asked. But that relationship between men and women got changed, and women changed it. It was women who substituted the government in place of individual men to protect and provide for them. And as government has stepped up to aggressively play that role, the value that women have placed on men has evaporated. I'll admit I haven't read the article, but I don't think I need to. If there's something women want that they aren't getting, they should just go to big daddy government and get the government to confiscate it from men and give it to them. This strategy has worked well for them this far. Why stop now?

Originally Posted by From The Article

But it was on an autumn evening, while walking along the Wirral Way with my wife Sally, that I learned what the real barrier was to her going out and exercising in the winter. She listed to me all the things that would stop her, as a woman, using the former railway line we were strolling along to exercise after dark. Her fears, it turned out, were all to do with the behaviour of the half of the population who are men.

(Bold highlighting mine)

This is it right here.

Men are demonised every which way you look at it. AMALT – All Men Are Like That.

Forget the fact that most men have a White Knight streak that seeks to protect females, we’re all evil misogynistic bastards that just want to rape her.

Well I for one am not an evil misogynistic bastard that wants to rape her, I’m the evil bastard that doesn’t give two fucks about her.

It seems women are the most protected people in the country. They control everything about dating, supported financially more often in marriages and divorces, get the kids…their wants and needs are catered to by society and media…men typically bend over backwards for their attention and approval, etc, etc.

In today’s society, if a woman simply prevents herself from being severely obese, the world is her oyster…lots of options. Men on the other hand more often have to fight and claw for what they get in life.

Originally Posted by Kryptic

There is some serious "double think" in this one. So it starts off by basically saying as men we should be seen and not heard (I am sure the author is one step away from saying we shouldn't even be allowed at night and if so be in the company of at least 1 female relative). That our opinions, voices, our very presence is intimidating. Ok... but then it goes onto say we should go back into Alpha John Wayne protector mode and speak up against people who are being not so nice to women and correct their attitudes. Right.. so I am expected to be both a mouse and a lion as required?

Got it.



That would mean 4 out of 5 don't care about it at all?

And why increase it to out of 10 for the next part? Because it sounds more dramatic? Reading between the lines the authors idea of sexual harassment is a man smiling at a woman or wishing her a good day as he jogs past her in the park or street.

I'm not against being "John Wayne" Type, for he was a loner. But what is point being "John Wayne" type, when women are just gonna use you further down the road, and not care about you, for her gain, and not for your gain???

The husband needs to take out his own speck out of his eye, before he takes the speck out of other people's eyes. I'm not willing to go for the bat for women, especially married or divorce women, and practically any woman. Saving women is pointless. What women have done for men?? Nothing. Women have been selfish for the last 50,60 years because of feminism.

Note: I dd not read the article.

Note: I will read the article little later. Just busy at the moment.

I just read the article.


The husband needs to worry about himself and his own family. I'm not going for the bat for women when most women hasn't care for men for the last 60, 70 years since the out break of feminism in the '60s. Women can go fuck themselves. Society do what Women wants, and at their whims. What about men?? Zero shit about men.

Basically the advice is: stay away from women at night and don't talk to them.
It's actually great advice but not for the reasons he is giving.

Originally Posted by Skywarp

Basically the advice is: stay away from women at night and don't talk to them.

That only applies if you are not a top 10%er....

The < 80% SMV men can all just jump off a cliff and it would make the world a safer place for women. Women want nothing to do with them anyway, they are of no value to them.

So we're supposed to magically make it light in winter for them? Maybe our Congress could just permanently put us on daylight saving time.