Thread: Burning out.

But life's funny, and treasure turns to trash.
First comes the rush, and then comes the crash.

Jo Jo Gunne, Be careful what you wish for.

Though usually a middle aged thing, I suppose anyone could burn out. But young people have too much energy to burn out and geezers don't care. Most of what I saw was from work, with plantation jobs running a close second. As a low rank gov puke working for Smokey Bear, there was a lot of burnout. It affected most everyone to some degree. As a rookie I remember walking the halls and thinking "that'll never happen to me." Right, What an idiot. The only question is, how much will it affect you?

The strangest thing about burning out is that the burnee is usually the last one to see it. Part of the reason is your attitude doesn't go bad at a steady rate. For a long time, things won't bother you, but everyone has a limit, and a lousy job or a bad boss will eventually get to you. Sooner or later you just want it to be over.

If it's a career you don't like anymore, and you still have years to go, well then it sucks to be you. But most people didn't have that long to wait till retirement, least where I was. If it's a bad relationship doing you, then you got a decision to make.

My guess is burnout is why Unboxxed has dropped off the radar. For how many years now he's been guarding the gates and didn't give a damn how hard or hopeless the job became. He probably see's all that work as a sucker move now and wish's he hadn't. I hope he does not, the place wouldn't have lasted near this long without him.

It wouldn't surprise me if Jag and Wombat aren't a little sick of it all too. Every year it's another class of Sophomore MGTOW's who just discovered Walt Disney's been lying all along, and too many of them just signed up to stir the shit. It's one thing to read their crap for free, it's probably another when you're footing the bill.

So burn out? Go off grid, go live by yourself, never access the internet, and enjoy living by yourself in nature.

If others are not prepared to be leaders than they can burn out too. MGTOW is not a movement that will change anything because it has no leaders. No one is either willing or brave enough to deal with what that means. That's neither here nor there. Just enjoy burning out and hopefully you change for the better.

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

So burn out? Go off grid, go live by yourself, never access the internet, and enjoy living by yourself in nature.

If others are not prepared to be leaders than they can burn out too. MGTOW is not a movement that will change anything because it has no leaders. No one is either willing or brave enough to deal with what that means. That's neither here nor there. Just enjoy burning out and hopefully you change for the better.

For people living in the modern world (all of us) I think this isolation strategy would be good. Get far away from the rat race and expectations...no news other than maybe a newspaper, no social media, no phone/computer...maybe a radio. Bring some books, maybe some sort of wood working project, puzzles, painting stuff. Remember how the main character in Breaking Bad lived when he was busted and went into isolation in a New Hampshire cabin? Live like that. Might be good for our mental health to do 3 months out of the year EVERY year.

Perhaps we will start seeing people making money in some way from marketing ways to disconnect.

I am burned out at work and it is due to constant kicks in the gut over the years. No reward no point nothing. It does burn one out, even so I can deal with it if they just let me sit there and do my job. I don't want to hear their promises for a better future or their offers of promotions so I can burn out quicker. I don't want any of it and they assume everyone's currency is the same. Well, mine isn't.

In regards to running this forum it must be difficult at the moment given it's closing down in a few months. I mean, what is the point and why not just close it now? That would make it hard to moderate or want to moderate it. Not to mention then looking back and wondering if the time spent moderating the site meant anything at all.

I have been a Mod and a Co Admin on a forum and it is hard work and when you start feeling like it's for nothing or that the other staff don't care etc than you end up doing what I did which was leave.

With regards work burnout, I’ve noticed a pattern in myself. I’ve held down a few different types of jobs but no matter the job, after roughly 8 years or so I’ve had enough and need a change.

And you’re right in that the realisation is often slow. One pattern I’ve noticed is the taking of “sick” days when I’m not actually sick. Once this begins it’s a sign that I’m not happy and it’s time to move on.


With regards Unboxxed, I can’t say I blame him. Jagr shat on him a while back by removing his admin status without notice; now Jagr is closing the site. If I was Unboxxed I would see these things as connected and an admonishment for all his efforts at keeping this site a MGTOW site – it is, after all, called Going Your Own Way.

Jagr has now made it clear that this was not his vision, fair enough, but maybe he should not have usurped the GYOW mantle.

Unboxxed was as dedicated an admin as anyone could have wished for and I have nothing but admiration for him.

Unboxxed:

The happiest man I've ever seen is a man who does absolutely nothing all day but small jobs that take less than 1hr to do (he's a automobile electrician) and drink alcohol with his friends.
I see them in his garage and they sit around a table and drink. Sometimes he leaves his garage and goes to the bars in the area and drink just for a change of scenery. But that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
He is the peak of freedom. His only obligation is to pay his own rent.
When I speak to him, I can tell that he's happy. I am extremely gifted in reading subconscious and nonverbal cues and I can tell this guy is not miserable.

When I leave my house on mornings, I see him going to the store for cigarettes and newspaper and I wonder what the fuck is everyone else doing when there's a man like this who just exists with no cares in the world.

The point is simple: You want less, you suffer less. With less 'wants' in your life, you have less expectations and thus less chance for failure. If you do nothing, nothing happens.
Can't get burned out if you do nothing.
Want nothing.
Do nothing.
Believe nothing.

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

The happiest man I've ever seen is a man who does absolutely nothing all day but small jobs that take less than 1hr to do (he's a automobile electrician) and drink alcohol with his friends.
I see them in his garage and they sit around a table and drink. Sometimes he leaves his garage and goes to the bars in the area and drink just for a change of scenery. But that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
He is the peak of freedom. His only obligation is to pay his own rent.
When I speak to him, I can tell that he's happy. I am extremely gifted in reading subconscious and nonverbal cues and I can tell this guy is not miserable.

When I leave my house on mornings, I see him going to the store for cigarettes and newspaper and I wonder what the fuck is everyone else doing when there's a man like this who just exists with no cares in the world.

The point is simple: You want less, you suffer less. With less 'wants' in your life, you have less expectations and thus less chance for failure. If you do nothing, nothing happens.
Can't get burned out if you do nothing.
Want nothing.
Do nothing.
Believe nothing.

This dude is becoming me...except I'm trying to give up cigs (relapsed for 2 weeks after quitting 4-5 months) and only drink occasionally. I'm not incredibly rich but have enough to basically do what I want the rest of my life. No expensive hobbies and don't really want any. I think a lot of dudes have to get into keeping up with the Joneses for their ego and expensive hobbies to take their minds off work/stress from the wife/kids.

One thing I've noticed is that life sorta becomes happier when I'm not involving women -- even just for sex. I'm getting to a point where I see the benefit in just taking one day at a time...focus on being content, no expectations, no comparisons to anyone else, get a little exercise, do some reading and just chill. Just watch the shit show unfold in other people's lives while staying completely drama free and void of any desire to compare your life to whatever subjective standards people drum up.

Originally Posted by Edwardhaskell

This dude is becoming me...except I'm trying to give up cigs (relapsed for 2 weeks after quitting 4-5 months) and only drink occasionally. I'm not incredibly rich but have enough to basically do what I want the rest of my life. No expensive hobbies and don't really want any. I think a lot of dudes have to get into keeping up with the Joneses for their ego and expensive hobbies to take their minds off work/stress from the wife/kids.

One thing I've noticed is that life sorta becomes happier when I'm not involving women -- even just for sex. I'm getting to a point where I see the benefit in just taking one day at a time...focus on being content, no expectations, no comparisons to anyone else, get a little exercise, do some reading and just chill. Just watch the shit show unfold in other people's lives while staying completely drama free and void of any desire to compare your life to whatever subjective standards people drum up.

Including a woman into your life only represents a list of 'wants', most of which are endless.
You want her.
Then once you get her, you have to want whatever she wants too because she expects you to want it. And she also expects you to get it for her too.

No wants, no suffering.

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

Including a woman into your life only represents a list of 'wants', most of which are endless.
You want her.
Then once you get her, you have to want whatever she wants too because she expects you to want it. And she also expects you to get it for her too.

No wants, no suffering.

Wanting what she wants...looking back ain't that the truth! There's always a dark fog over the relationship if you aren't appeasing the wants and "needs" of the woman...we don't go out enough...we don't dress up enough...we don't travel enough...we need to be more affectionate...need to be more spontaneous...I want flowers more...relationship needs to move more quickly....let me ask the wife, blah, blah, blah, need, want, need, want. For what? Occasional access to a pussy that goes stale after a year or two?

Great thoughts

Not burned out. My reasons for discontinuing were I thought pretty clear in my post. If there's anything I regret, it's not leading men to a more positive place, where we celebrated our bachelor lifestyle more than anything we criticized.

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

Not burned out. My reasons for discontinuing were I thought pretty clear in my post. If there's anything I regret, it's not leading men to a more positive place, where we celebrated our bachelor lifestyle more than anything we criticized.

That's been my message all along! There's no harness in my life, free to go left, free to right, totally omnidirectional! Like a bird that's free to fly and nobody's clipping my wings! I don't engage in emotional terrorism and wouldn't have allowed incels mix in and ruin the site, the philosophies are as different as day and night!

I'm just living proof that a man don't need no woman if he wants any control over his life!

Incels blame women for being a missing link to happiness in their life, it's outside and foreign to man's natural order, we don't idolize women and place them on a pedestal as an essential part of life or something that's somehow missing, nothing like that grew roots in our thinking, we just don't like shackles and chains of any sort!

If a man is not complete without a women, he sure as hell won't be complete with a women!

I share your distain for incel philosophy, it's self pity at it's finest! I don't look at the poverties in life, I enjoy and savor its riches! Attitude is everything, it can slam one into the ground, or teach him to take flight!

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

Not burned out. My reasons for discontinuing were I thought pretty clear in my post. If there's anything I regret, it's not leading men to a more positive place, where we celebrated our bachelor lifestyle more than anything we criticized.

I'm not sure if there is much longevity in a forum based around that though. For a start men first have to get all the negative stuff off their chests and find out they aren't alone. That takes a place to bitch and air their thoughts.

If this were a physical place, like a club we might be able to get together and learn skills from each other as members teach other members things whether it be woodworking or electronics, computer related etc. But we are limited on a forum, although yes it would have been nice to have that aspect as best as possible online.

I think it is counter productive to think that just because every thread isn't all puppy dogs and roses that the forum is negative in itself. Being able to vent and discuss things that we can't talk about anywhere else, especially in person is very valuable.

Originally Posted by mgtower

That's been my message all along! There's no harness in my life, free to go left, free to right, totally omnidirectional! Like a bird that's free to fly and nobody's clipping my wings! I don't engage in emotional terrorism and wouldn't have allowed incels mix in and ruin the site, the philosophies are as different as day and night!

I'm just living proof that a man don't need no woman if he wants any control over his life!

Incels blame women for being a missing link to happiness in their life, it's outside and foreign to man's natural order, we don't idolize women and place them on a pedestal as an essential part of life or something that's somehow missing, nothing like that grew roots in our thinking, we just don't like shackles and chains of any sort!

If a man is not complete without a women, he sure as hell won't be complete with a women!

I share your distain for incel philosophy, it's self pity at it's finest! I don't look at the poverties in life, I enjoy and savor its riches! Attitude is everything, it can slam one into the ground, or teach him to take flight!

At a psychological level, incels are different from us because have a defense mechanism for why they are the way that they are that we do not possess.
They overtly hate women as a reaction formation defense when subconsciously, women are what they desire above all else. The conscious display of female hate is just cover up to how much they actually love them.
They blend into these MGTOW spaces because a lot of their actions can be covered up by simply "holding your tongue" when they speak to the battle-tested MGTOW men (the ones who actually got fucked by women) because they'd sniff through them.
They know that the way they think is problematic.
They know that the way they think, nobody likes them.
They know that with the way they think, nobody wants to be around them.
But do they even attempt to work on fixing themselves? Nope. They just put up a psychological barrier to their perceived trauma and pretend it's the opposite of what they actually want in life.

There is no space that you can create that will avoid them. Their identity is a caricature of whatever space they want to be in - to fit in. In philosophical terms, the being does not exist, it mimics the ideas of what is reflected on it.

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

They blend into these MGTOW spaces because a lot of their actions can be covered up by simply "holding your tongue" when they speak to the battle-tested MGTOW men (the ones who actually got fucked by women) because they'd sniff through them.
They know that the way they think is problematic.
They know that the way they think, nobody likes them.
They know that with the way they think, nobody wants to be around them.
But do they even attempt to work on fixing themselves? Nope. They just put up a psychological barrier to their perceived trauma and pretend it's the opposite of what they actually want in

An inherent problem with this is you can’t “work on yourself”.

So what to do, “better yourself” across every conceivable psychological, childhood, trauma, scientific, and genetic issue that, yes, women absolutely care about?

Even one metric, be the first in your family to graduate college, is huge. And you get, what, a mountain of debt and an Asst. Manager at Starbucks job?

At best, that’s just being a pussy worshipping simp.

They going to magically grow 6’2”? Be able to grow a beard? Go back in time and have rich parent that fed them edible food and not junk that stunted their growth? Prevent mom from day drinking all through pregnancy?

This sounds like the silly thing feminists say when men bitch about gold diggers and divorce rape.

“Why don’t you just marry rich women?”

Incels are morons for worship pussy in the first place. But they aren’t wrong about everything. It’s the same arguments people make about handicapped people just being lazy and should try harder. Black pill does have validity whether everyone wants it to not.

What if someone could better themself, which they can’t anyway, but it takes them until 45? How’s that going to help?

Originally Posted by DangZagnut

An inherent problem with this is you can’t “work on yourself”.

So what to do, “better yourself” across every conceivable psychological, childhood, trauma, scientific, and genetic issue that, yes, women absolutely care about?

Even one metric, be the first in your family to graduate college, is huge. And you get, what, a mountain of debt and an Asst. Manager at Starbucks job?

At best, that’s just being a pussy worshipping simp.

They going to magically grow 6’2”? Be able to grow a beard? Go back in time and have rich parent that fed them edible food and not junk that stunted their growth? Prevent mom from day drinking all through pregnancy?

This sounds like the silly thing feminists say when men bitch about gold diggers and divorce rape.

“Why don’t you just marry rich women?”

Incels are morons for worship pussy in the first place. But they aren’t wrong about everything. It’s the same arguments people make about handicapped people just being lazy and should try harder. Black pill does have validity whether everyone wants it to not.

What if someone could better themself, which they can’t anyway, but it takes them until 45? How’s that going to help?

It’s all frame of mind. Eventually boils down to your priorities in life!

Originally Posted by WanderLuster

It’s all frame of mind. Eventually boils down to your priorities in life!

Of which, IMO, pussy should never be.