Thread: Bullshit....

Ok guys. I am about to share something that made me aware of a bigger picture.

I am not against transgender people at all. I have trans men and trans women as friends and has complained to me about some of the ridiculous narrative there is from patriarchy and feminism. But I do understand that some men have a problem with it because of it's association with especially feminism or whatever. Whether you think it's unnatural or not, it's really none of our business anyway.

On avoiceformen.com had an article about transgender athletes and made an excellent point. About it doesn't matter about the trans rights activists. The point is as long as patriarchy exists there's going to be feminism. I can't post the link here...

I can't post it, it is blocked by Facebook and unable to share it in a text message to my friends on regular phone. And my web page won't let me copy the link. Especially male friends. I was a little surprised.

They considered it "abuse" there's nothing in the article about abuse. All because of male vilification this shit happens..

Guys one thing we all need to realize, is not fall into the roll of victim mentality. It's toxic. That's one of the dangers, I personally feel that the victim mentality is what can lead to violence as one's ego is being attacked. And usually, it's doing its job right by doing just that. The myth and media pushes this.

So the link also mentioned he is not part of MRA. Because it's a reaction to feminism itself and can lead to more violence.

So I liked the author of the article what he had to say. It made me think. Basically it was blocked because of "abusive" content. There's nothing abusive about it. Because essentially it was not promoting patriarchy or feminism. Simply exposing it for what it is. It's about politics and controlling the narrative. Men are not monsters as made out to be.

So, you are saying that

* patriarchy is actually a thing
* feminism is our fault, because patriarchy
* we men are inclined to get violent when our male egos are attacked

Is that the message, here?

Originally Posted by Mr Wombat

So, you are saying that

* patriarchy is actually a thing
* feminism is our fault, because patriarchy
* we men are inclined to get violent when our male egos are attacked

Is that the message, here?

The whole "patriarchy" interpretation takes a sliver of genuine data and grossly misinterprets it to show a world where men have huge advantages and women have been held back by sexist men. For example, there are a bunch of professions that women used to be barred from entering, for example, doctor, lawyer, politician. It's also true that women used to not be allowed to vote in the US and in other western countries.

So women had a raw deal while mean had it great, right? Not so fast. What the feminist interpretation overlooks are the huge advantages women had in the old system and still enjoy today. For one thing, women were much better protected from war than men have been. Almost all war casualties have been men, and that still holds true. Women have also enjoyed much, much more protection from violence than men have. A perfect example of how feminists distort the truth is how they interpreted the Century 16 movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado.

We all know what happened. Some goon went to see the midnight Batman movie and then snuck out to his car to arm himself and came back in and shot up the place. A bunch of people got murdered by that scumbag. It was awful. So, feminists, of course took that even as proof of so-called "toxic masculinity." After all, that dudes behavior definitely was toxic to say the least. However, here's what they ignored. Numerous husbands and boyfriends saved their women's lives that day. Men have a strong instinct to protect women, especially if it's our one special woman. At least 20 men, maybe more, threw their bodies over their wives or girlfriends, shielding them from the bullets. They died protecting their women. Yet, feminists refuse to honor, or even see, that incredible sacrifice. All those men made the ultimate sacrifice to protect women, but "toxic masculinity." Feminists just don't have the capacity in their brains to say, "Look at all these men who sacrificed themselves to protect women from this one atypical man who shot up the place." For feminists, it's just "James Holmes has toxic masculinity, and other men are just like him." Then when you point out how incredibly unfair and hateful that mindset is, they scream "misogyny" when they're the haters.

It's the same thing with professions. The truth is for most of human history, men didn't have access to the posh jobs either. Most men lead very hard lives doing grunt work like farming or coal mining, and you NEVER heard feminists clamoring for those jobs. Feminists wanted the high status ones like doctor or lawyer. They looked at all the high status men and saw them as representing the male gender. We're all such a bunch of privileged doctors, lawyers, politicians, and CEOs and we've been oppressing women so bad. It's so inaccurate, it's absurd, but it's what's caught on as the narrative. If you attempt to rebut that crap, you'll get resistance from someone who can't even wrap their mind around the truth and thus will just reach for an easy label like "misogynist."

there is a small group of hyper-successful men who have a lot of wealth and power. If you want to call them patriarchy or oligarchs, be my guest. The idea that all men are part of some effort trying to oppress women and that is what the patriarchy is is utter horseshit.

With respect to trans, I'm glad they're ruining women's sports. Women's sports is a feel-good project to shut feminists up while we watch real sports, not unlike the special Olympics. I don't care what anyone does as long as they're not hurting anyone. However, I'm against compelled speech for pronouns and I have no obligation to be part of anyone's cross gender role play fantasy. So go ahead and try to live life as a woman,. I won't stop you, but don't expect me to play along with you. I don't have to. I am concerned about children being pushed into it and forced to undergo transformation. That's abuse. I am concerned with the mental illness involved because it has led to people being harmed by transgenders, especially kids and high rates of suicide.

Originally Posted by Alphacrazybaztard83

Guys one thing we all need to realize, is not fall into the roll of victim mentality. It's toxic. That's one of the dangers, I personally feel that the victim mentality is what can lead to violence as one's ego is being attacked. And usually, it's doing its job right by doing just that. The myth and media pushes this.

I agree being a victim is not good for any man. But I also think it is a natural progression in healing and is shown in Red Pill Rage. When you find out you have been lied to (sold the Disney Dream), or not told the truth about about female nature. It's important every man gets out of that mind set of the victim as soon as possible.

Get use to not being able to copy links... The way some countries political systems are going toward Social Credit System, even this website will be off limits. Every where you go n the internet you can be tracked. Your mobile already listens to what you say even when not in call. Your mobile tracks everywhere it is, There are logs of every other mobile around it and how long they were around it. It's only a matter of time until this is all used against you, or to control your actions. The last 2 years has only been a warm up with QR code logging, masks, shots, mandates, etc.

I'm going to guess that you were using the Facebook app?

If you were to reach that page in a browser, you wouldn't have that issue. Same goes with YouTube or any other social media that you use on an app.

I wouldn't use the apps anyway, because that's how they get you to view their stupid ads, why not use a browser, I use one called Brave which works both on my PC and my phone no problem the app also block ads by default so there's more than one benefit in using it.

patriarchy, we actually don't have right now, if we had patriarchy, violence would be something of the past because patriarchy is a very balanced system, it's actually probably the most balanced system out of all systems and it's ignorant to say otherwise.

In fact there are plenty of Muslim women who advocate for patriarchy because they know how balanced it is, it's this Modern Woman to talk and speak against patriarchy when they know practically nothing about it.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

The whole "patriarchy" interpretation takes a sliver of genuine data and grossly misinterprets it to show a world where men have huge advantages and women have been held back by sexist men. For example, there are a bunch of professions that women used to be barred from entering, for example, doctor, lawyer, politician. It's also true that women used to not be allowed to vote in the US and in other western countries.

This. "The Evil Patriarchy" is largely feminist gaslighting and feminist revisionist history. It's why feminists pull fire alarms when MRAs attempt to reach college level men. They are DESPERATE to hide the truth and will do ANYTHING to keep men in the dark. Women and their state pimps want to keep men ripe for exploitation and disposal. That's not an exaggeration either. Many at the community leadership level participate in this anti-male conspiracy. They know divorce is purposefully destructive to men and want to keep it that way so men don't try to escape.

"Consent" has been made impossible for men (and only men) to prove because THEY DON'T WANT MEN HAVING SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. They want men trapped with severe consequences for escape attempts. They want men's disposable income flowing to women and, by proxy, the state pimpistry.

Patriarchy is a result of this strange western concept of "equality". All of the 2 real genders and 500 made-up genders are all equally good at everything, and any evidence to the contrary is the result of oppression by the most successful group. Same with race, we are all equally good at everything, so "under-represented" can cry oppression when they don't get great outcomes handed to them on a silver platter. So society becomes a race to the bottom to placate people who may just lack talent, at the expense of people who do have talent, because letting talented people succeed is not "fair". It never ends until we redefine what "equality" means.

I have had, and have to this day, alphabet-people friends. But I have a hard time believing that their empowerment has been a positive force in society. Now young kids coming out of school are all identifying as an "alternative gender and sexuality" to score "diversity points" in their career, continuing to perpetuate this nonsense. I have no doubt that gay men sincerely enjoy humping other men, but the extent of which we are required to "tolerate" it being waved in front of our children is the problem.

Originally Posted by Californication

Patriarchy is a result of this strange western concept of "equality". All of the 2 real genders and 500 made-up genders are all equally good at everything, and any evidence to the contrary is the result of oppression by the most successful group. Same with race, we are all equally good at everything, so "under-represented" can cry oppression when they don't get great outcomes handed to them on a silver platter. So society becomes a race to the bottom to placate people who may just lack talent, at the expense of people who do have talent, because letting talented people succeed is not "fair". It never ends until we redefine what "equality" means.

I have had, and have to this day, alphabet-people friends. But I have a hard time believing that their empowerment has been a positive force in society. Now young kids coming out of school are all identifying as an "alternative gender and sexuality" to score "diversity points" in their career, continuing to perpetuate this nonsense. I have no doubt that gay men sincerely enjoy humping other men, but the extent of which we are required to "tolerate" it being waved in front of our children is the problem.

This is in fact the true face of marxism, the face marxists and their more mature siblings, socialists and communists, are desperate to hide. When you lift up the covers, marxism is really all about the enslavement of the productive and competent by the incompetent and non-productive. Saying everyone should have equal outcomes is saying you want to enslave higher achievers and force the fruits of their labors to the lower achievers, using the state as your bank robber and violence proxy. Women have been doing this to men for centuries. The lessor capable have figured out that, with enough numbers and control of the state, they can force money out of other people's wallets and take it for themselves. This is exactly how the democrat party works; they promise forced wealth transfer in exchange for votes. Of course, they give such programs pleasant sounding names, but the reality is that the state is simply one big corrupt, malevolent crook, robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's all one giant scam.

Everything you think you know is one big lie.

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I agree with your post 100%.

Originally Posted by Hyaku Shiki

there is a small group of hyper-successful men who have a lot of wealth and power. If you want to call them patriarchy or oligarchs, be my guest. The idea that all men are part of some effort trying to oppress women and that is what the patriarchy is is utter horseshit.

Yeah, it's a case of having multiple meanings for the word. "Equivocation". Pin them down on an absurdity and it's "Oh, but I didn't mean *that*!".

"The Patriarchy" is all men, everywhere, over all time, considered as a political class. It's a mythic construct - it's almost a Platonic "form". This is why you, personally, are responsible and should feel ashamed for the way that wimminz were "chained to the kitchen", back in the day; why every man is expected to make grovelling apologies for every rape and every grope ever.

It's bullshit.

Originally Posted by MannSplainer

malevolent

How come the left dont call out the word, sexist?
How about Femalevolent?

Actually that's not the problem. It should actually be taught that sexuality is normal. Gay or straight or whatever. This is an lack of sex education in schools at an appropriate age and taught appropriately. Gender on the other hand let children play the role , deny any shots or other harmful things because when they get older they may not even think they are opposite sex anymore.

You know repressing sexuality and identity is dangerous and teaching your kids it's wrong, not natural will leave them with serious hang ups and low self confidence. They are gonna need to be taught to be strong in who they are. Transgender children, I feel parents should adhere to child's wishes to express themselves and then when they get 18 years old they can decide to do the change or not with proper parenting won't be disrespectful. Ya know? I do believe messing with children body at young age is detrimental and harmful.
Teaching them otherwise and judging them can cause serious issues. You can NOT change a person, core essence no matter what your religious beliefs you have.

Patriarchy isnt necessarily evil it had it's uses back in the day but we are changing, we are no longer not just male/female only. This is a result of freedom. America is about freedom. Original constitution talked of equality among ALL people. And wasn't even remotely Christian nation at all. I feel America can be a gnostic nation. I actually wrote a piece about Christianity that Christ is the ultimate state of freedom and my independent MGTOW and yet independence and freedom , it's adherently talked about in Satanism. Lucifer is a good guy in gnostic sects. Lol I posted this in a forum of Satanists ... That was hell broke loose. It was an innocent 😇 topic

But my point is the world is changing. We can't go back to the way things were. We need to find courage to face future, adapt and evolve. Make the best of it. We also need to weigh pros and cons for ourselves and for people. Just remember trying to go back way things are, you are only damaging yourself. This is patriarchy, you aren't allowed to be you, express yourself. But being your true self and not a set of beliefs or programming you were taught yet being YOU and your expression this doesn't make you less of a man or effeminate. 4th wave feminism is the reaction to old patriarchy and equally as harmful and repressive against men, children and trans individual.

Anyway just my opinion with respect to yours.

Originally Posted by Alphacrazybaztard83

Actually that's not the problem. It should actually be taught that sexuality is normal. Gay or straight or whatever. This is an lack of sex education in schools at an appropriate age and taught appropriately. Gender on the other hand let children play the role , deny any shots or other harmful things because when they get older they may not even think they are opposite sex anymore.

You know repressing sexuality and identity is dangerous and teaching your kids it's wrong, not natural will leave them with serious hang ups and low self confidence. They are gonna need to be taught to be strong in who they are. Transgender children, I feel parents should adhere to child's wishes to express themselves and then when they get 18 years old they can decide to do the change or not with proper parenting won't be disrespectful. Ya know? I do believe messing with children body at young age is detrimental and harmful.
Teaching them otherwise and judging them can cause serious issues. You can NOT change a person, core essence no matter what your religious beliefs you have.

Patriarchy isnt necessarily evil it had it's uses back in the day but we are changing, we are no longer not just male/female only. This is a result of freedom. America is about freedom. Original constitution talked of equality among ALL people. And wasn't even remotely Christian nation at all. I feel America can be a gnostic nation. I actually wrote a piece about Christianity that Christ is the ultimate state of freedom and my independent MGTOW and yet independence and freedom , it's adherently talked about in Satanism. Lucifer is a good guy in gnostic sects. Lol I posted this in a forum of Satanists ... That was hell broke loose. It was an innocent  topic

But my point is the world is changing. We can't go back to the way things were. We need to find courage to face future, adapt and evolve. Make the best of it. We also need to weigh pros and cons for ourselves and for people. Just remember trying to go back way things are, you are only damaging yourself. This is patriarchy, you aren't allowed to be you, express yourself. But being your true self and not a set of beliefs or programming you were taught yet being YOU and your expression this doesn't make you less of a man or effeminate. 4th wave feminism is the reaction to old patriarchy and equally as harmful and repressive against men, children and trans individual.

Anyway just my opinion with respect to yours.

Gotta say that I agree with everything you said in principle. There is a caveat, though. Patriarchy was the result of Natural Selection, in a sense. The reason that so many patriarchies exist throughout history is because, sadly enough, patriarchy "works". It's not a perfect system, my any means, but over the course of time, the patriarchies were the societies that survived. Humans are neither stupid nor unimaginative. I seriously cannot believe that all throughout history, NOBODY ever thought to try and organize society in a different means. But the fact is, that only the patriarchies allowed enough social stability for those civilizations to continue throughout time. And the gender roles arose primarily due to the division of labor between the biological sexes.

It's not just a human thing, either. All across the animal species, the males "provide and protect", while the females care for both the children AND the males. And each other. That's how communities formed. And it works. Because all that protection/provision takes a huge amount of energy and time, so much that the males don't have time for "self-care", and simply need somebody to help with that. That's an oversimplification, perhaps, but overall it seems to be the case.

I remember, when my mother first left my Dad, I drove home as soon as I heard about it, despite having a test at college the next day. I just couldn't let him spend that first night alone. And the thing he kept saying was "Who's going to take care of me?" I remember, when my wife threw me out, the greatest fear in my mind was "Who's going to take care of me?" Males are quite capable of working and doing and providing, but we seem to need somebody to, care for us, in a certain sense. To soothe and inspire us. And that seems to provide a tremendous amount of reassurance and stress relief.

Or at least, it should. Unfortunately many women are themselves, so tremendously unstable that dealing with them is, itself, a form of labor. You punch out of one job and go home to a worse job.

Back to my original point. Patriarchies, and the gender roles associated with them, were a societal adaptation to the Natural World. Because we live on a mean planet, which will kill us if we don't watch out. That's just the reality. And those roles are present throughout the mammalian species'. And the thing that really gets me is, that women and feminists are damned-well insistent on Male Gender Roles. They sexually select for men based on protection/provision. And they damned well shame the hell out of men who do not embody those things.

Originally Posted by TigPlaze

Some goon went to see the midnight Batman movie and then snuck out to his car to arm himself and came back in and shot up the place. A bunch of people got murdered by that scumbag. It was awful. So, feminists, of course took that even as proof of so-called "toxic masculinity." After all, that dudes behavior definitely was toxic to say the least. However, here's what they ignored. Numerous husbands and boyfriends saved their women's lives that day. Men have a strong instinct to protect women, especially if it's our one special woman. At least 20 men, maybe more, threw their bodies over their wives or girlfriends, shielding them from the bullets. They died protecting their women. Yet, feminists refuse to honor, or even see, that incredible sacrifice. All those men made the ultimate sacrifice to protect women, but "toxic masculinity." Feminists just don't have the capacity in their brains to say, "Look at all these men who sacrificed themselves to protect women from this one atypical man who shot up the place." For feminists, it's just "James Holmes has toxic masculinity, and other men are just like him." Then when you point out how incredibly unfair and hateful that mindset is, they scream "misogyny" when they're the haters.

They also don't like to talk about the masses of women who send fan mail to men like this.
Colorado theater gunman James Holmes' fan mail revealed | Daily Mail Online

Originally Posted by MannSplainer

Saying everyone should have equal outcomes is saying you want to enslave higher achievers and force the fruits of their labors to the lower achievers, using the state as your bank robber and violence proxy.

"When the public discovers they can vote themselves money from the public treasury, the [American] experiment will be over"-Tocqueville 1838

Originally Posted by mgtow2021

How come the left dont call out the word, sexist?
How about Femalevolent?

Man-ipulation. That's why.

Chivalry + Courtly Love + Gynocentrism = Male Disposability

The state realized that these concepts inspired men to act with best regards to women and the state, so the state's primary propaganda outlets, the corporate press (aka The Ministry of Truth) and Hollywood (aka The Ministry of Love & Peace) pumped out whatever propaganda was necessary to get men to adhere to these concepts, concepts which then became deadly minefields for unsuspecting, unwitting, socially brainwashed and shamed men. Marriage didn't used to be popular, but with the help of such deeply anti-male concepts, suddenly, being married became the de facto social arrangement, which is where the enslavement of men by women and their state pimps begins. As with all things, the system became deeply corrupt and untold billions of men, naive enough to believe in such a carefully obfuscated and disguised system, not to mention the belief in 'The Sanctity of The Blessed Vag, had the entirety of their lives destroyed.

So slowly, men began to wake up to the fact that they'd been had, en masse, by women and women's man-hating state pimps/violence proxy, through marriage, a social device used to ensnare and enslave socially brainwashed and properly shamed men.

And then came MGTOW.

And here we are.

Until it completely destroys your life, ignorance is sheer bliss.

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