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    Re: Bill gates divorce

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    Just looked and he doesn't say a lot to be honest. Caleb was my introduction to the manosphere, his primary goal is breaking free of the system in both relationships and business. 98% of what he writes I agree with as he is far more rational and level headed than most. I highly recommend his material Blog - Alpha Male 2.0 (calebjones.com)
    rkspsm you should trust your instincts more. This guy falls more into PUA type character. Concerned with being alpha, attracting women, being a better man (we all know what that means).

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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    rkspsm you should trust your instincts more. This guy falls more into PUA type character. Concerned with being alpha, attracting women, being a better man (we all know what that means).

    Intuition is rarely wrong.
    I dont ignore my instincts or intuition. If my instincts or intuition says something is wrong, then before I say anything, I actually look around to see WHY my instincts were telling me this. In this way, not only I understand more of the problem at hand, but I also understand more of myself and improve my instincts.

    EDIT: In my profession though, instincts are often wrong. So maybe I am biased towards not giving them a free pass.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    And other than any absence of a detailed analysis, even in that video, I dont remember him even casually listing any bad things Bill Gates has done or might have done. That means its not just an opinion, its a very biased opinion.
    Good point, but the core purpose of the video was analysis of his divorce not the pros and cons of his other life choices.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Good point, but the core purpose of the video was analysis of his divorce not the pros and cons of his other life choices.
    Yes, but he did spent good 3-4 minutes on the goodness of Bill Gates in a 20 minute video, which seems kindda irrelevant considering most of his analysis involved the interactions between a billionaire beta male (but not a complete pushover) vs a corporate woman, unless it was to show that Bill Gates is the victim here just like in any usual no fault divorce by modern women.

    But this makes the video kindda pointless in a way (just this video, not his blog or anything). Because, as per my analysis, he has failed to properly analyze Bill Gates' coordinates on the morality spectrum, which means he has failed to change my existing conclusion (Bill Gates did WAY more bad than good), which means its the case of bad people fighting each other and its popcorn time.

    Why do I have the conclusion (and not belief or feeling) that Bill Gates is the evil oligarch as most people think he is ? I can list a long list of reasons with their analysis, many of which may be quite problematic to discuss here and is not really the point of this criticism, which is about Caleb's video.

    My point is, regardless of what is the morality of Bill Gates is, this small part of video, is exactly why I'd rather get my information from a DEBATE, than a blog or a video. That being said, I also do realize that its not possible to have debate most of the time because debate requires you completely abandon your feelings, and not everyone can consistently do that. Bringing feelings into one is essentially asking the game to be rigged, modifying the rules, eventually boiling down to one "believing" X and other believing Y, with no conclusion ever reached based on logical/rational merit of the arguments.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    "Bill Gates" a a brand is radioactive so they will transfer surface level operation control of the "foundation" to HER to divert attention. Also it is tactic used by mafia bosses to transfer wealth and assets to wives if they are in trouble with law enforcement.

    It is harder to openly talk against her because of mainstream media is gynocentric. They know the game very well but their tricks don't fool anyone anymore.

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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Bill and Malinda Gates, time machine set to 1855.

    Malinda gets noting but the cloths on her back and a train ticket back to her home town, while Bill gets everything he earned.

    And they wonder why there's a divorce epidemic? Is that because it's financially profitable to indulge in someone else's fruits of their labor?

    All a woman's true worth as a housewife is no more than a maid's or nanny's, If I were the judge that's the most a woman gets! And that's being generous, I'm not giving her financial demerits for the anger and aggravation she created!
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    Why do I have the conclusion (and not belief or feeling) that Bill Gates is the evil oligarch as most people think he is ? I can list a long list of reasons with their analysis, many of which may be quite problematic to discuss here and is not really the point of this criticism, which is about Caleb's video.
    There was a near 100% probability that this would come up in this thread, currently writing a blog post on the subject some of which I will share here when finished.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I'd rather get my information from a DEBATE, than a blog or a video. That being said, I also do realize that its not possible to have debate most of the time because debate requires you completely abandon your feelings, and not everyone can consistently do that. Bringing feelings into one is essentially asking the game to be rigged, modifying the rules, eventually boiling down to one "believing" X and other believing Y, with no conclusion ever reached based on logical/rational merit of the arguments.
    Debates can easily be "won" by the most skilled debater, not the one who's telling the truth. It's possible for an unprepared person to lose a debate to someone from the flat earth society.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    He allegedly created the biggest OS in the world. One look at him tells me yeah right.. look at software genius types, he is nothing like them.
    Some historical rumours for you.

    I was involved in learning about I.T. long before Windows was even a thing.

    Long before GUI’s (like Windows) it was rumoured, and I emphasise rumoured, that Bill Gates was involved in the development of a command line operating system called CP/M. He took this knowledge and developed his own version called P.C. DOS which he developed for use on IBM machines.

    Other manufacturers began making P.C.s, but they couldn’t run P.C. DOS for contractual reasons, so he tweaked it and called it M.S. DOS – the beginning of the MicroSoft empire.

    The first GUI I remember was a thing called GEM, based on the CP/M platform, and it was a wholly new concept in home / small business computing. It was basic, certainly by today’s standards, but it sure as hell made life easier.

    Seeing this, Gates eventually produced his competitor and so Windows was born which ran on his P.C. DOS / M.S. DOS platforms.

    And so there was competition along the lines of V.H.S. and Betamax in video tapes. Betamax was arguably far superior, but V.H.S. won out in the end, presumably because of production costs.

    Similarly, P.C. DOS (and therefore M.S. DOS and then Windows) won out because of its connection with Big Blue (IBM). The rest is history.

    I really don’t know that much about the guy (obviously) but I have a theory (not in the scientific sense):

    Time and again I see people making their fortunes – far more than they could ever spend in their lifetimes, and time and again after doing so they turn to altruism.

    My thought: In order to make their fortunes they’ve been total cunts and they’re trying to buy back their souls.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by stanmsl View Post
    Debates can easily be "won" by the most skilled debater, not the one who's telling the truth. It's possible for an unprepared person to lose a debate to someone from the flat earth society.
    The science, and the law, both of which rely on the truth, rely on the debates to sort it out instead of avoiding it. The key is, no decision or conclusion, is ever final. The scientific theory which is considered true today, may get falsified tomorrow. The legal cases can be reopened.

    In the same vein, my conclusion on Bill Gates can change (even if my feeling or opinion stays same).

    If one is so concerned about spreading the truth but is unprepared for the debate, then it is not very different from someone who wishes to win fights but is fat and obese. Not participating in a debate just because you think you are unprepared keeps you unprepared forever. Yes you will get bruises along the way, I got mine too, but that is EXACTLY how you learn fighting too !! You dont win all the fights from the very first punch you throw.

    And just like fighting, you can have teachers. Either direct, or you learn by observing. I have my teachers, they are GREAT debaters !!! It is their set of rules and formulas which I use in most of the debates.

    EDIT: Eagerly awaiting your blog post on this !
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    My thought: In order to make their fortunes they’ve been total cunts and they’re trying to buy back their souls.
    I dont think these people operate on those terms. They dont have a "soul" to buy back. Its more likely that, as others have mentioned or hinted at, that they are buying public goodwill, so when they finally go balls to the wall on their problematic stuff, they dont get retaliated against, or not as severely retalitated.

    Smoke and mirrors all through the way, most likely.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I dont think these people operate on those terms. They dont have a "soul" to buy back. Its more likely that, as others have mentioned or hinted at, that they are buying public goodwill, so when they finally go balls to the wall on their problematic stuff, they dont get retaliated against, or not as severely retalitated.

    Smoke and mirrors all through the way, most likely.
    Quite possibly, but if they have made their fortunes in the realms of Bill Gates’s what do they care about public goodwill? They can ignore it or buy it, at least as far as far as their ego’s demand. There’s something else going on.

    Maybe it’s a Christian thing, but it is said, and I don’t know how much truth there is in this, that unscrupulous people often find God when faced with death. As people age they are forced to confront this.

    Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

    Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” -Matthew 19:21-24
    This is drummed into us from a very early age.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Quite possibly, but if they have made their fortunes in the realms of Bill Gates’s what do they care about public goodwill? They can ignore it or buy it, at least as far as far as their ego’s demand. There’s something else going on.
    You answered your question yourself, partially. They have to buy it, but not only that, they have to fight it if they cant buy. This is much much costlier than letting someone else fight for them.

    Who might that someone else be if some crusader in on their arse ? Well, the public themselves !! If the goodwill is there.

    Furthuremore, yes I also think there is something else going on, in addition to that. They use so many things as cover for so many other things (based on what these people have done throughout history), that its hard to guess what is being done right this moment, or right these few decades.

    If you want, I can write more on goodwill, and why its a bit more important than one may think. You can try looking up on "4th Generation Warfare". Covid is one classic example. Government will not just come out and say "Stay the fk inside your homes or we shoot", even in countries where public dont have access to guns and are not in position to resist excessive police or military action. They will use some form of scaremongering BEFORE resorting to any violent physical force.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Some historical rumours for you.
    Long before GUI’s (like Windows) it was rumoured, and I emphasise rumoured, that Bill Gates was involved in the development of a command line operating system called CP/M. He took this knowledge and developed his own version called P.C. DOS which he developed for use on IBM machines.
    I'm not sure BG was involved in CP/M. He was, as I recall from reading accounts, was involved with the development of BASIC interpreters one or more of which probably ran on CP/M.

    Wikipedia has what looks to be an accurate timeline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS

    Key is that MS-DOS was purchased and then developed further. Since he hired the original author it seems doubtful that Gates coded any part of MS-DOS or later Windows or anything else.

    Other manufacturers began making P.C.s, but they couldn’t run P.C. DOS for contractual reasons, so he tweaked it and called it M.S. DOS – the beginning of the MicroSoft empire.
    The common history quibbles with that a bit. Wiki has the timeline correct. Accounts I read was that PC-DOS was the name IBM used and other than branding it was identical to MS-DOS which MS wisely had the rights to license to others.

    The tripwire was the BIOS code which IBM held complete rights to and would not license to others. Phoenix did a clean room reverse engineer on it and developed their replacement which enabled Compaq to offer the first "IBM Compatible" and the clones were off to the races.

    IBM tried to put the horse back in the barn with the PS/2 series which the industry basically ignored and forged its own path and MS was all too happy to support with MS-DOS and Windows.

    The first GUI I remember was a thing called GEM, based on the CP/M platform, and it was a wholly new concept in home / small business computing. It was basic, certainly by today’s standards, but it sure as hell made life easier.

    Seeing this, Gates eventually produced his competitor and so Windows was born which ran on his P.C. DOS / M.S. DOS platforms.
    Don't forget Apple's Mac OS that was a GUI and the two tangled in a lawsuit even though it was long alleged that Mac OS was a blatant ripoff of XEROX PARC GUI.

    Time and again I see people making their fortunes – far more than they could ever spend in their lifetimes, and time and again after doing so they turn to altruism.

    My thought: In order to make their fortunes they’ve been total cunts and they’re trying to buy back their souls.
    Gates seems to be exceptional in that he's not in any way being altruistic.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post

    Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

    Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” -Matthew 19:21-24
    This is drummed into us from a very early age.
    Yes, the peopled TRIED to drum that into me, didnt succeed. I can write why just giving to the poor willy nilly can be problematic and not necessarily a good thing, using the same technique I have used before : Cost Analysis.

    But that will cross many lines, if not in terms of rules of the forum then maybe in terms of sensibilities of people around here. And I have seen people here get tilted on WAY SMALLER things than that, so no I am not writing that because I am not willing to fight the rage. But just to give an idea, using a specific example, well tolerated here, giving money to single women with several spawns from different chads, just because they are poor, is problematic.

    I will not be giving (as in passing on as inheritance, by written will or whatever) my wealth, whatever I have, away to some random anyone regardless of how miserable their lives are, be it from lack of food, health, wealth, etc. I will only give either by trade, or to someone who I think deserved it by DEMONSTRATED merit.

    Even in case of Bill Gates, the main antagonist of this thread, I have problems with what he does, but its not because he is a rich dude. In fact, him being rich is pretty much irrelevant. A dirt poor person can do the same things, and I will hate him for the same reason. Its just that the net effect will be of much smaller scale.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    @WheelBarrow

    The explanation you link to seems much more reasonable. I did say my account was based on rumour, rumour from many, many years ago and my recollection is a bit blurred.

    As for altruism, well…

    What other’s see as altruistic or not is, quite frankly, irrelevant. It’s about what he may think. His foundations into medical science may be seen by others to be profiteering but he may see it differently.

    As for the early MACs: The O.S. was smooth and it worked almost flawlessly. The biggest problem was the lack of compatible software (IMO).

    There was one thing I loved about them though. All the software for them was split into code and resources, and the resources were easily editable – yes, even Microsoft’s.

    This made it easy to take ANY piece of software and change it to, for example, work in a different language – I've seen it done as Irish was not a commonly offered language.

    It was also easy to rip sounds and images in games and / or replace them with those of your choosing – no coding ability necessary.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I can write why just giving to the poor willy nilly can be problematic and not necessarily a good thing, using the same technique I have used before : Cost Analysis.
    No need to mate, I think all of us here see the problems with this attitude. That being said, when I see people living on the streets (and I don't mean the junkies) I can't help but feel for them and throw them a few bob if I can afford it.

    Edit: "A few bob": a colloquialism. A "bob" is a an old word referring to a U.K. Shilling. When the currency changed to the decimal system the shilling kind of became the term for a 5 pence piece, a coin of low denomination. Therefore "a few bob" translates to a small amount of money.
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    Re: Bill gates divorce

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    No need to mate, I think all of us here see the problems with this attitude. That being said, when I see people living on the streets (and I don't mean the junkies) I can't help but feel for them and throw them a few bob if I can afford it.

    Edit: "A few bob": a colloquialism. A "bob" is a an old word referring to a U.K. Shilling. When the currency changed to the decimal system the shilling kind of became the term for a 5 pence piece, a coin of low denomination. Therefore "a few bob" translates to a small amount of money.
    Around here, a few bobs means what happens before the sharks take you under!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    No need to mate, I think all of us here see the problems with this attitude. That being said, when I see people living on the streets (and I don't mean the junkies) I can't help but feel for them and throw them a few bob if I can afford it.
    Oh okay, in original post I thought you were saying we should do that, kindda misjudged your stance, now I understand, my mistake.

    On the people living in streets, I am VERY GLAD that I am a mgtow.... because otherwise what I interpret from what I know, about where the world is going, my children or grand children could've ended there.
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