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    "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    In 2008 I was still blue pilled, I knew nothing of the true nature of women and only had references from society and pop culture to go on. I was in my late twenties and still young dumb and full of come. Now approaching forty I finally understand what that statement really means.

    I was never an incel nor was I a chad. I had slept with a couple women and had one girlfriend before this point. I was single for a couple of years working in the trades making a lower middle class income. I lived in a cheap rundown apartment above a strip club. The rent was twenty percent of my income. I drove a cheap beater car and never went out spending money. I was able to save a lot each year and used it to travel to Thailand and engage in the p4p scene. It was the summer and my next trip was scheduled for winter.

    Then Julia came into my life. I was introduced by another female friend we had a one night stand that turned into a relationship. I was happy to just bang her but she escalated it and cornered me into exclusivity. Over time I developed an emotional attachment to her and fell in love.

    Julia was was 27 at the time but looked younger I would rate her a 9 out of ten on looks. I would rate myself an 8. I live in a small town with not a lot of hot women so her SMV was much higher than mine. She had way more experience and more sexual partners than me and could bang like a porn star.

    She held every modern feminist women trope that there was. She had a useless masters degree in the humanities. She partied hard in college and was very promiscuous there. She identified as a feminist and was also an ethical vegan and hipster buddhist. She was also a raging alcoholic who always drove drunk. In hindsight she had more red flags than a soviet parade but I charged in like a bull.

    She had bad credit and terrible financial history. She owed hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debts that she never paid the principal on. She had lost a mortgage recently and was divorced once but had no children. Despite all of this I enjoyed her company, she was a fun and down to Earth person and had a high libido. I never had to take her out or spend money on her. She lived with her parents who spoiled her and provided her with an upper middle class lifestyle. She had a low paying part time job that had nothing to do with her degree.

    After a couple months she began to complain about my frugal lifestyle. She demanded I buy new furniture and kitchen appliances. She wanted me to rent an expensive high end apartment so that she could move in. Although she identified as a feminist she told me that she wanted to have children and have a traditional relationship where the man was the sole provider. Now looking back I can see that she was in her epiphany phase, she knew instinctively that she would hit the wall soon, the chads kicked her off of the cock carasouel and would never marry her so it was time to find a beta provider. I guess she saw potential in me for this role.

    I took her to Thailand with me and payed for everything which was a terrible experience and a train wreck in itself. A man should never bring bring his own sand to the beach. Hemmingway once said that a man should never travel with someone that he didn't love. That is a whole nother story I will write on at another time.

    We dated for about three years off and on, her alcoholism progressed. I never gave into her demands to upgrade my apartment or my lifestyle and I did not progress in my career. I was still a low status male. She would break up with me to try and date better options but they never panned out. After awhile we settled into a friends with benefits arrangement. She would come over after her dates with men and have sex with me after they bought her dinner. She would describe the men as men that did everything right but they just didn't give her the tingles. She would even get jealous of them talking to other girls but claimed that her still hooking up with me was "different". I later learned after dealing with women that this type of cognitive dissonance or double standard is actually typical or all women. Its in their core nature.

    Then one day she just stopped coming around. I moved on and dated other girls. It wasn't until 2018 ten years later that she would come into my life again.

    To be continued...
    They had it over us; they planned much better and were better organized. While men were watching professional football or drinking beer or bowling, they, the women, were thinking about us, concentrating, studying, deciding--whether to accept us, discard us,kill us or simply leave us. In the end it hardly mattered; no matter what they did, we ended up lonely and insane.
    Charles Bukowski-Women

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    You can’t trust them. Or rather, you can trust they’ll screw everything up.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    I’ve always had a saying that I could apply to almost any scenario in life, especially with women.

    “If it seems like it’s too good to be true, it always is.”

    Back when I was a poor, pathetic, jack-assed simp in a 10 year relationship with a woman I never would’ve imagined things could fail. Then, one day, the floor gives out and you realize everything you ever believed in was an illusion.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Women never put their own demands on themselves. It's funny how they expect you to have perfect credit but yet their rating is in the toilet and they have debt put the wazoo.

    I know women with kids by different dads and they are pushing 40. They still think they deserve a doctor. Any man with 2 working brain cells would run like hell.

    I always say about women....
    Don't listen to what they say but watch what they do. I guarantee they will be hypocrites.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    It was 2018 when she caught up with me. I was single working the same trade and living in a boarding house. I was renting it from the same female friend who introduced me to Julia. Her name was Renee, Renee was a gold digger with a checkered past. The house that I rented from her was not owned by her but by her 10 year old son from a man whom she had divorced 7 years previous. He had just died in a car accident and the house went into foreclosure but was legally under her control so she rented it out.

    Julia wanted to see me again so I invited her over. She told me that she had just recently divorced a man and now had a three year old daughter. We began a friends with benefits arrangement. She was still hot despite her age and the childbirth and she hooked me with more porn star sex. For awhile It was great she would come over once a week to spend a couple hours with me and I never met her daughter. After a month she began escalating and then bringing her daughter over so that I would bond with the child. She told me that she had problems at home at her parents house and that she needed a place to live. I told her that she could move in with me but she refused saying the house wasn't good enough for her daughter. At the time my rent was ten percent of my income so there was no way that I was moving out. She didn't have a job or any money to contribute. Rents are very high in my area. In order to get a house for us it would have cost me 2000 dollars a month witch is 90% of my income. I refused to comply with her demands.

    Then the sextortion began, she said I just used her for sex and didn't care about her. So now she's implying that I owed her for the casual sex that she offered me voluntarily before. This is one thing that the blue pill simps will never understand is that sex is a currency for women it always comes with a price. Hookers are the cheapest and the most expensive sex is the sex that you didn't pay for upfront.

    I just ignored her demands and she dissapeared out of my life. About six months pass and I find a good deal on a house. My friend and his girlfriend, knew I guy that would give us discounted rent in a run down house. The rent was ten percent of the usual market rates. We would have to fix up the house and maintain it ourselves.

    Now I'm living in a nice large house in a nice area and I show Renee and then suddenly Julia is back in my life. Renee had her own motivations. She was always trying to match make for me with her friends so that she could exploit and manipulate me indirectly. Julia moves in with her daughter and suddenly the house isn't good enough. It needs paint there, dry wall her etc. I began buying materials and working on the house, she did some of the work but never bought materials. She began drinking heavily, I would come home from work and she would be passed out on the floor. Her daughter would be unattended and I would parent her for the night.

    What kept it going was her always doling out sex to me whenever I wanted. She was in a custody battle with the father. She currently had full custody and he had to pay her 700$ a week in child support. He took the daughter every weekend. She claimed that he was a terrible father and could not be trusted with the child but all I saw was her drinking heavily and neglecting the child. I remembered how my mother divorce raped my father and sued him for child support only to neglect my brothers and I and it all my sense. Just like Sigmeund Frued stated I had sought out a girl that reminded me of my own mother. It was all about the money for her.

    Of course it was "her money" and not "our money", but all the money I made was "our money". She never payed down her student loan debts and her debts were "our debts" but my debts were only mine. This mentality is typical of all the women that I have ever dated. I got fed up and told her that from that point on everything was 50/50. She would have to pay for half of everything. She turned and looked at me with shock and disbelief and that's when it hit me. Despite what I had been told my entire life by society and pop culture woman did not want to be strong and Independant they did not want equal responsibilities they just wanted to be percieved as strong and independant.

    That night while having sex I looked in her eyes and all my desire for her died. I felt no love for her anymore and I realized she was just a prostitute and the sex was not worth the price. I had given her all my time, money and attention. She brought a truckload of emotional baggage and a barge load of drama. She was fighting with her family and the child's father there was always drama surrounding her.

    One of the 48 laws of power states that people like this should be avoided and that no one should try to save them. As long as I had known her her life was a train wreck and she was going to wreck mine as well.

    The other thing that really did it in was her objectification of me. Women constantly complain about men objectifying them. Turning them into sex objects but its never mentioned on how woman objectify men. They turn us into beasts of burden or tools. We are simply objects for them to use to get provisioning. The exception is Chad they turn Chad into a sex object and acknowledge that he is only good for sex. Hence the term "Fuckboy".

    She had no interest in me whatsoever as a person. She only talked about the life she wanted and I was there to provide it for her. She never listened when I talked about my hopes and dreams. She was a dream killer, every thought of hers was on provisioning for her and her child. I wanted to quit my shitty job and travel the world I wanted to learn new skills and explore better careers, she wanted me to keep my soul sucking job to pay her bills.

    I really did bond with her daughter, as a bachelor in his late thirties I did have and emotional void, never having children of my own to love, but at the end of the day she wasn't my daughter and her mother was so toxic I had to break the attachment.

    I told her to move back with her parents and that the relationship was over. She went into a rage and used her child to guilt me. Saying that she never should have brought her daughter around me. After a couple of days she switched form rage to guilt and told me that her daughter misses me. Her plan from day one was to use her child as a hostage to manipulate me. She had already done it to get child support and benefits from the state.

    To be continued...
    They had it over us; they planned much better and were better organized. While men were watching professional football or drinking beer or bowling, they, the women, were thinking about us, concentrating, studying, deciding--whether to accept us, discard us,kill us or simply leave us. In the end it hardly mattered; no matter what they did, we ended up lonely and insane.
    Charles Bukowski-Women

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Women never put their own demands on themselves. It's funny how they expect you to have perfect credit but yet their rating is in the toilet and they have debt put the wazoo.

    I know women with kids by different dads and they are pushing 40. They still think they deserve a doctor. Any man with 2 working brain cells would run like hell.

    I always say about women....
    Don't listen to what they say but watch what they do. I guarantee they will be hypocrites.
    They have 20 Maybelline and Rayvon or whatever cosmetics, along with lotions and potions, strewn hapdash across the bathroom counter. Flecks of shimmering powder and droplets of who knows what cream dried up all over the bathroom. Then they will criticize you because the towel is on the floor or you hung wet swim trunks to dry on the shower pole.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    She would even get jealous of them talking to other girls but claimed that her still hooking up with me was "different". I later learned after dealing with women that this type of cognitive dissonance or double standard is actually typical or all women. Its in their core nature.
    Yes, and Better Bachelor did a video on this subject. The Institute for Family Studies article found:

    It turns out that Americans react to infidelity differently for men and women. The gap is particularly large among women: 70% of women say that it is “always” morally wrong when a man has an extramarital affair, but fewer (56%) say the same when it is a woman who has an affair. (Nearly 1 in 4 women say it is morally wrong “most of the time.”)

    70% of women say that it is “always” morally wrong when a man has an extramarital affair, but fewer (56%) say the same when it is a woman who has an affair.

    Liberal and Conservative Women Have Very Different Views About Marital Infidelity | Institute for Family Studies (ifstudies.org)

    This is Female Nature; this is part of TRP truths.... "She is not yours, it is only your turn"
    A committed relationship or the marriage vows only apply for when they were spoken, never longer...

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    was also an ethical vegan ................ was also a raging alcoholic who always drove drunk.
    For some reason those lines just jumped out at me. Ethical whenever it suits her.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Montauk View Post
    They have 20 Maybelline and Rayvon or whatever cosmetics, along with lotions and potions, strewn hapdash across the bathroom counter. Flecks of shimmering powder and droplets of who knows what cream dried up all over the bathroom. Then they will criticize you because the towel is on the floor or you hung wet swim trunks to dry on the shower pole.
    Don't forget leaving the seat up! It's not my fault it's their fault. They should watch where they are going!
    Stay away from women. They will only break your heart.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    There was a part of me that used to feel rage about this insane, clown-world.

    It's no longer there - since many years ago, I've moved to a cold indifference about it all.
    After all, all the anger did was "burn me" - from the inside.

    Reading stories like yours reminds me of that anger.

    Thank you for sharing it with us, Whiskeyjack.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Please, can someone tell me how do I follow this thread to keep-on with the story? I'm new to the site

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    After math

    After dumping Julia and her spawn I was able to quit my shit job and get a better one. I now make twice what I made back then. My health has improved and my life is stress free. I did initially feel guilty for abandoning her daughter but now I feel nothing. I came to the realization that she is not my child. I did not spawn her and I owe her nothing.

    I heard through the grapevine that Julia is still single and holding out for prince charming she is now 41 years old. She is still a raging alcoholic and has had numerous incidents where she passed out from drinking and her daughter left the house and wandered the streets lost.

    When I last dated her I had just started watching red pill content on Youtube and I was reading The Rationale Male. When I met her the second time my SMV was rising and hers was declining. Now mine is high enough to get women but I don't want them other than for sex and hookers are much cheaper and safer than having casual sex with women nowadays. I'm off to the Phillipines soon to enjoy a smorgasbord of hot young hookers and that is something I could never do if I stayed with Julia and raised her child. The Fillipina hookers are way cheaper than she was. Its funny how it works out but the truth is that the most expensive sex is the sex that you did not pay for.
    Last edited by Whiskeyjack; November 18, 2022 at 12:14 AM.
    They had it over us; they planned much better and were better organized. While men were watching professional football or drinking beer or bowling, they, the women, were thinking about us, concentrating, studying, deciding--whether to accept us, discard us,kill us or simply leave us. In the end it hardly mattered; no matter what they did, we ended up lonely and insane.
    Charles Bukowski-Women

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by end_of_days View Post
    There was a part of me that used to feel rage about this insane, clown-world.

    It's no longer there - since many years ago, I've moved to a cold indifference about it all.
    After all, all the anger did was "burn me" - from the inside.

    Reading stories like yours reminds me of that anger.

    Thank you for sharing it with us, Whiskeyjack.
    I went through the red pill rage stage and now I feel nothing. I meant for this story to be a victory story and I hope that it encourages other men.

    I now practice stoicism and I accept that civilization will fall and the best thing to do is grab a lawn chair,
    and your favorite drink and watch it burn. You cannot save civilization from themselves and you cannot educate stupid people.
    Last edited by Whiskeyjack; November 12, 2022 at 1:26 AM.
    They had it over us; they planned much better and were better organized. While men were watching professional football or drinking beer or bowling, they, the women, were thinking about us, concentrating, studying, deciding--whether to accept us, discard us,kill us or simply leave us. In the end it hardly mattered; no matter what they did, we ended up lonely and insane.
    Charles Bukowski-Women

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post
    I went through the red pill rage stage and now I feel nothing. I meant for this story to be a victory story and I hope that it encourages other men.

    I now practice stoicism and I accept that civilization will fall and the best thing to do is grab a lawn chair,
    and your favorite drink and watch it burn.
    You cannot save civilization from themselves and you cannot educate stupid people.
    Aaron Clarey (Captain Capitalism) has been saying for years, "Enjoy the decline." I know exactly what he means.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack View Post

    She held every modern feminist women trope that there was. She had a useless masters degree in the humanities. She partied hard in college and was very promiscuous there. She identified as a feminist and was also an ethical vegan and hipster buddhist. She was also a raging alcoholic who always drove drunk. In hindsight she had more red flags than a soviet parade but I charged in like a bull.

    She had bad credit and terrible financial history. She owed hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debts that she never paid the principal on. She had lost a mortgage recently and was divorced once but had no children.
    And these are the people the government and activists want to give student loan forgiveness to? No wonder why Universities ain't worth a damn nowadays.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by K-Dog View Post
    Aaron Clarey (Captain Capitalism) has been saying for years, "Enjoy the decline." I know exactly what he means.
    Yes I read his book. It helped me accept things.
    They had it over us; they planned much better and were better organized. While men were watching professional football or drinking beer or bowling, they, the women, were thinking about us, concentrating, studying, deciding--whether to accept us, discard us,kill us or simply leave us. In the end it hardly mattered; no matter what they did, we ended up lonely and insane.
    Charles Bukowski-Women

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by FireBird View Post
    And these are the people the government and activists want to give student loan forgiveness to? No wonder why Universities ain't worth a damn nowadays.
    I’ve got an ex that could be the same girl (replace alcohol with weed) except she only went less than 1 year to college and racked up $40k in debt that she still has at 33 years old (along with the weed addiction). Sucks to think so many bums could just be given money. A lot of women go through life living stupid and reckless because they know they can angle for a man/simp to take care of them if they give him a little puss.

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    @whiskeyjack Is there an age gape between you and this woman or are you around the same age?

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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Edwardhaskell View Post
    I’ve got an ex that could be the same girl (replace alcohol with weed) except she only went less than 1 year to college and racked up $40k in debt that she still has at 33 years old (along with the weed addiction). Sucks to think so many bums could just be given money. A lot of women go through life living stupid and reckless because they know they can angle for a man/simp to take care of them if they give him a little puss.
    The way I figure, Brandon's 10k student loan forgiveness entitles me to a tax break of what 10k worth of "good education" means over a lifetime (try teaching yourself molar mathematics and you'll know what I mean) therefore Brandon's action makes me exempt from all taxation due to the mandated lack of education via the mechanism of Affirmative Action and 10k loan exemption.

    We know justice is now self serve or none, so why not serve myself some justice by taking a little Affirmative Action of my own?
    Bundle up, boys, it's gonna be a long cold endless winter.


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    Re: "Before and after the wall. The tragic tale of Julia."

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatoshadow2 View Post
    @whiskeyjack Is there an age gape between you and this woman or are you around the same age?
    We are the same age.

    I first dated her in our late our twenties then the second round was in our late thirties.
    They had it over us; they planned much better and were better organized. While men were watching professional football or drinking beer or bowling, they, the women, were thinking about us, concentrating, studying, deciding--whether to accept us, discard us,kill us or simply leave us. In the end it hardly mattered; no matter what they did, we ended up lonely and insane.
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