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    Bartering your labor.

    Are All Barters Taxable?
    As mentioned before, many barter situations may not be taxable (the lawn mowing scenario, for example), especially if you are acting independently of a business. When goods, in particular, are exchanged, it may not be considered bartering at all. If two parties trade computers of equal value, for example, this may not be taxable – especially if neither party is in the business of selling computers.
    - The Tax Implications Of Bartering


    (Disclaimer - I am in no way advocating for tax evasion) We are free men and as such entitled to however we want to use our labor. I have always felt an effective means to get the most value out of your labor is to bypass fiat currency using things or services of actual value. Below are some benefits.


    i. It is a simple system devoid of the complex problems of the modern monetary system.

    ii. There is no question of over or under-production (or of unemployment or over-hill employment) under the barter system since goods are produced just to meet the needs of the society.

    iii. The problems of international trade, such as, foreign exchange crisis, adverse balance of payments, do not exist under barter system.

    iv. There is no problem of concentration of economic power into the hands of a few rich persons under the barter system because there is no possibility of storing the commodities.

    v. Personal and natural resources are ideally utilized to meet the needs of the society without involving any wastage.

    vi. The barter system also reaps the benefits of division of labor because it represents a great step forward from a state of self- sufficiency hi which every man has to be a jack of all trades and master of none.
    - Complete information on the advantages and disadvantages of Barter System


    If any of you here remember what craigslist.com used to be about before people just started asking for money is they type of labor/commodity trade which I am referring. I advocate all men here to at least get one sell-able skill which is in universal demand for the simple fact that they will not starve to death or be on the streets in rough times. I know some people on these forums are broke as fuck and I want them to recognize that they can have value beyond direct monetary compensation. I will try and remain objective so below are disadvantages to barter.


    Disadvantages

    While bartering has immediate benefits, it can also cause serious complications. This is especially true if you can't guarantee the trustworthiness of your fellow trader.

    The other party doesn't require certification or any proof of legitimacy and you don't have a warranty or consumer protection.

    You may end up trading a good item or service in exchange for a defective or poor one. If this concerns you, limit your exchanges to friends and family.

    Bartering also requires skill. You may overestimate the value of your desired item and underestimate yours. As a result, the other party could exploit you. To prevent this, focus on related items with similar value -- such as one large appliance for another.
    Advantages & Disadvantages of Bartering - Budgeting Money



    These are just some things to think about as I wish for men to recognize there are alternative methods of value exchange. Comments and criticisms are welcome.
    Last edited by Free and Clear; April 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM. Reason: Spacing on the quotes
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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Free and Clear View Post

    I am in no way advocating for tax evasion

    Personally, I do advocate tax evasion.

    Do EVERYTHING that you can (legally) to avoid paying into a system that: Hates YOU; Uses YOU; Abuses YOU; & Enslaves YOU

    That we saw Cultural Marxism reshaping America, does NOT mean that we have to accept Fascism, or becoming second-class citizens, or pay for the boots that will be stepping on your neck (those of the Boot-Jacked-Thugs of the State, paid for by your tax dollars)

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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Image getting a 45% to 59% raise, tomorrow - and being able to sock every penny of that money away!!!

    How to avoid paying income taxes:

    (I have very little knowledge on this topic, but, as it interests me I'll start, and ask everyone's help)

    Bartering is a two-way street. So ask yourself two questions:
    What do I need / want? & What can I offer to others?

    - Housing is a HUGE expense. If you can eliminate money transfer you will effectively save whatever your tax rate is (Fed & State)
    - Food is likely your next highest expense. Any money spent here is not only taxed as income (Fed & State), but you also are paying a Sales Tax! If you are buying restaurant food you are paying the business's taxes on that food, & then you still have to pay a Sales tax for the product you bought.
    - Transportation: Auto sales tax. Fuel tax. Road fees (tax.) Tags. Driver's license (fees / tax.) smog. Oil & tire disposal fees.

    What you have to offer:

    - I heard of a person that acts as a massage therapist, & that he gets a LOT of trade. Some rent, Meals, Auto maintenance & parts. Drinks, & vacations at various clients' vacation homes. What did it cost him? He had to buy a portable massage table, and must do an extra good job removing grease from under his fingernails before hand.

    - I know a woman that does pet sitting. It is really spotty, & random, but she gets often gets a cash tip and basically takes mini-vacations at her clients' homes while they fly off to someplace or the other. After her reg day job, she plays with their dog, eats their food, sleeps in their beds, surfs their internet & cable services, and swims in their pools & hot-tubs. What did she have to do in order to take mini-vacations in the richest nicest neighborhoods? Prove she is honorable - word of mouth.

    - I know a young couple that rent out a room in a house, from another couple. BUT, the home-owners leave (job & vacation related trips) 5 to 10 times a year, for a week or more at a time. Guess who pays NO RENT while the homeowners are away? Yep, you guessed it.

    - Used to know a guy that worked 2 days a week, 3 or 4 hours, at the thrift store. They didn't pay much, & yes he paid taxes on it: but you should have seen all the totally free stuff he could get. Mostly he got all the clothes he wanted to keep or give away. But he got other stuff too, stuff he could sell on Craigslist if he wanted. And, to hear him tell it, the women that worked there couldn't wait to suck his cock (let's see the Fascist State tax that!.) Shrugs.

    - Yard work. Plumbing? House maintenance? Electrical? more?
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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    Personally, I do advocate tax evasion.
    Do EVERYTHING that you can (legally) to avoid paying into a system that: Hates YOU; Uses YOU; Abuses YOU; & Enslaves YOU
    Usually, ordering your affairs so that you are legally liable to pay less tax is tax avoidance. Tax evasion is specifically not paying taxes you are legally supposed to, and is by definition illegal.

    It's important to use the right word so that cupcake cannot pounce and tell the tax dept that you have admitted to tax evasion. It's also important to not give people "that messageboard has been advocating people commit crimes!" grounds to shut this place down.

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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Correct, making a PP (Or 401k) contribution, is technically tax avoidance. Avoid away!
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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Wombat View Post
    Usually, ordering your affairs so that you are legally liable to pay less tax is tax avoidance. Tax evasion is specifically not paying taxes you are legally supposed to, and is by definition illegal.

    It's important to use the right word so that cupcake cannot pounce and tell the tax dept that you have admitted to tax evasion. It's also important to not give people "that messageboard has been advocating people commit crimes!" grounds to shut this place down.
    Tip of the hat for clarifying the terminology and defining topic further. Please consider:

    You are implying that the people should behave well within the boundaries of the law, (not the same thing as behaving morally) -- all whilst our Governments CLEARLY do not operate within either of those two boundaries.


    Being dishonorable does NOT go over well with us: Men of Honor & High Moral character. But it is unwise for us to close our eyes to what is happening around us. Point in fact, that is likely why most of us are MGTOW.
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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by flailer View Post
    - Food is likely your next highest expense.
    I'm learning how to farm right now. I volunteer 1-2x per week at a farm about an hour from the city.
    The skills I am learning to grow my own food may at some point be used to create self-sufficiency.
    At the very least I am learning valuable skills.
    If this world goes to shit, I have the skills and experience to either work my own farm, or work for a farm.
    Last edited by kestral; April 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM.

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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Nice! Excellent!

    Hopefully you are meeting like-minded people as well. No Man is an island, not even a MGTOW.

    Also, considering that you are in a city, have you been scanning for bug-out locations? In case "bugging in" becomes non-viable? I know of more than one location, personally. But I am not going so far as creating remote stashes / caches of food, medical supplies, or other "various materials."
    Knowing locations, how to get there, what to bring, and how to secure them never hurt anyone.
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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Thanks flailer, I haven't reached the prepper stage yet.
    I think the house of cards can hold up a lot longer than we think it can,
    Delusion people can hold a delusion for a very long time (women are a perfect example of this).

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    Re: Bartering your labor.

    Quote Originally Posted by kestral View Post
    Thanks flailer, I haven't reached the prepper stage yet.
    I think the house of cards can hold up a lot longer than we think it can,
    Delusion people can hold a delusion for a very long time (women are a perfect example of this).
    I totally agree with you!
    I totally doubt (almost completely doubt) that there will be any kind of SHTF period within my lifetime.
    But, if one only considers the inflation aspect, that alone makes stockpiling worthwhile.
    The efforts you wrote about puts you ahead of others; you are looking ahead; & is another form of prepping; practical education is perhaps the best form of prepping!
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