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    Making Full Use of their "Autonomy"





    Maybe Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg was talking about holding back the State from preventing a woman from creating and uploading blow job videos when she spoke about the importance of women's rights, you never know......

    We arbitrarily create a clean division between Adults and Children claiming Adults are mature and Children are not. Adults exercise good judgment, kids do not. We never really spend enough time looking at the spectrum within adults.

    I'm certain there will be apologists saying "Her Body, Her Choice". Which is the problem with society in general today. We obsess over the autonomy to do certain things and not evaluate whether they're good for the person doing them or society at large.






    We don't need puritanical hypocrisy, but in the final analysis, the quality of a society will be based on the sum of its choices; which itself is based on the freedom of its participants and their ability to use that freedom wisely.
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    Re: Making Full Use of their "Autonomy"

    I've recently begun to internalize an idea I have been struggling with. Western Liberal Capitalism requires the fullest possible degree of self-actualization among the individuals within a society for them, it is believed, to flourish. This works against the fact that there are some who are just too vicious, or too vacuous, or too greedy, or too uncontrollable, or too dependent, or too stupid, or too irresponsible (etc etc ad nauseam) to behave in a way that does not violate the rights of others.

    That being the case, is democracy the best form of government? We gave suffrage to those least capable of exercising it beneficially, thinking it would be advantageous to them. I sure as hell don't want to be a peon, a serf, a bonded labourer under any form of despotic rule - soft or harsh - but there must be a way to control the baser instincts of some for the benefit of the many.
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    Re: Making Full Use of their "Autonomy"

    When a man proposes marriage, he's the one initiating, and he gets what he deserves.

    When a man signs up for $5.00 a month to watch what's in essence porn, he the one initiating and enabling just like marriage.

    In that light it's partly or mostly blue-pill man's fault for the world we have today.

    Self discipline is mostly a male trait, and just like masculinity, it suffered tremendous losses.

    Undisciplined men enable and embolden wild women.

    I have much distain for both genders, I'm ashamed of men, women, and this cultural transformation that has taken place, It has an honest kindergarten appearance for all intents and purposes.

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    The world has become an extended version of high school, with all the ignorance and trivialities that come along with adolescence.
    The thing is, they want to do what they want without interference but they won't allow others that liberty. They can only see how your freedoms deprive them of theirs not vice versa.
    They don't want to be called slut in a pejorative manner but can't understand that its not the word that is relevant but the actions. I'd say a slut is a female who gives out sex for flimsy, insubstantial favors like free drinks, status, and maybe even the occasional ride. A whore asks for money up front or in some manner that is beneficial to her financial well being and a nympho while seemingly exhibiting somewhat similar behaviour, has not the same negative stigma attached as the prior two because evidently neither of those can be trusted to not betray you at the slightest hint of a fix or profit, the nympho is only a bad investment because she'd probably cheat but at leastit won't be for cash or favors, which is something I might find in bad taste but can respect her not making herself a commodity. In essence, a rose by any word is still thorny and fragrant..
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    Re: Making Full Use of their "Autonomy"

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    When a man proposes marriage, he's the one initiating, and he gets what he deserves.

    When a man signs up for $5.00 a month to watch what's in essence porn, he the one initiating and enabling just like marriage.

    In that light it's partly or mostly blue-pill man's fault for the world we have today.

    Self discipline is mostly a male trait, and just like masculinity, it suffered tremendous losses.

    Undisciplined men enable and embolden wild women.

    I have much distain for both genders, I'm ashamed of men, women, and this cultural transformation that has taken place, It has an honest kindergarten appearance for all intents and purposes.

    MGTOW are the only adults I've found among the lot.
    An abundance of weak beta males leads to psychopaths ruling over us. The betas are too scared even to name our overlords let alone do anything about it. And yes not putting women in their place is fundamental in that.
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    Re: Making Full Use of their "Autonomy"

    Misinterpretism is the name of the game.

    “I can do what I want!”

    A basic tenet of the MGTOW.

    But everything has its limitations.

    I can do what I want, but only up to a point.

    If all were free to do anything at anytime, this equates to lawlessness and anarchy.

    Laws are meant to provide a means to allow the majority of people to live in relative freedom, with emphasis on the word “relative”.

    “But…” says you, “laws can be used to dominate and enslave!”

    Of course they can, and currently this seems to be the way we’re headed, but when these types of “laws” become enacted they go against the very concept of freedom and become a form of tyranny no different from monarchies or despots.

    Nowadays it seems the MINORITY wish to rule, whichever minority they may belong to. They don’t seek the support of the majority through the normal electoral process; rather they seek to influence those that do – do as we say or you won’t get our vote!

    Democracy? One person one vote?

    Don’t make me laugh!

    At best you get to vote for the person who gets to vote without any real knowledge of what way that person will actually vote when the time comes. Many times you get to vote for the person that gets to vote for the person that gets to vote (ad nauseum).

    Why is this undemocratic?

    Because the politicians are influenced by those that vote for them – they want to keep their jobs and their ability to keep making millions through corruption (back-handers). How many national politicians do you know of that are short of a bob or two?

    And this is what is going on here: this minority is more important because they’re women. More than that, they’re women being abused by men. Their choice to live this life is unimportant because men are responsible by reason that men encourage this behaviour by giving what they want – MONEY!

    From the linked article:

    This article originally appeared on VICE Canada.

    Between November 2017 and January 2018, at least five adult performers died due to alleged drug overdoses or by suicide—a pattern which many in the industry say they’ve never witnessed before.
    So, over a period of three months five adult performers died from drug overdoses in the whole of Canada. O.K., I’ll accept that barring any contradictory evidence, but where’s the perspective?

    How many others died from the same thing over the same time period? How many women are using this as a means to make money?

    But prostitutes, be that in real life or onscreen are more precious and more important than everyone else?

    Give me a break!
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    Re: Making Full Use of their "Autonomy"

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Willers View Post
    I've recently begun to internalize an idea I have been struggling with. Western Liberal Capitalism requires the fullest possible degree of self-actualization among the individuals within a society for them, it is believed, to flourish. This works against the fact that there are some who are just too vicious, or too vacuous, or too greedy, or too uncontrollable, or too dependent, or too stupid, or too irresponsible (etc etc ad nauseam) to behave in a way that does not violate the rights of others.

    That being the case, is democracy the best form of government? We gave suffrage to those least capable of exercising it beneficially, thinking it would be advantageous to them. I sure as hell don't want to be a peon, a serf, a bonded labourer under any form of despotic rule - soft or harsh - but there must be a way to control the baser instincts of some for the benefit of the many.
    This echoes my thoughts. We have pipe-dream egalitarianism, a false equalitarian society with the illusion that all adults are equal. This gives far too much power to those without impulse-control and future-orientation. Worse, it normalizes this worldview, especially in the mainstream culture- in music, for example. Women are the prime beneficiaries of our "false egalitarian" society which assumes all of are equal competence. If we continue this way, societies that don't practice this BS like China will overtake us and they should.

    Could there be gradations of influence in society based on IQ, self-control, future-orientation, objectivity, sober judgment? Maybe a good place to begin this experiment is on a forum or the Internet more generally where these scores are more easily applied. Oddly, I think China may be onto something with its Social Credit score- some people in society are more valuable than others.

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