Thread: As mgtow, we can basically do whatever we want? Right? Just not in solid relationship.....

Originally Posted by UnKnownSurviving

I mean, I love the bodies of women, its flesh. breasts and ass, including pussy. But is it wrong? or it is okay to love their body? I have sexual desires for women's bodies and want to fuck them.

The problem is, my mother thinks I should get married to have sex. But that's outdated. And my best friend's think that I should fuck and then get married. Not to disrespect my friend's advice, but that's idiotic. I mean's he's married, himself. He knows the nature of women. And he've had problems in marriage. He's keep telling me that.

Why the fuck would I want to get married!!???

It's so stupid. Once you get married, women run the show. And they walk all over you.

I still have my moments but they are fewer and further between. Unless it's with a whore, I just can't be bothered to pursue them and play the game. They have to be attractive personality wise as well as physically.

On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

I'm out. Peace.
- Owen, 07.03.2022

Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW

There are MGTOW's who avoid women entirely, go to hookers, do one-nighters, do flings, do short-term relationships or even do long-term relationships. There are probably other options too.

For me, the only lines I draw are (1) do not marry a woman and (2) do not cohabitate with a woman.

Whatever you do that fully satisfies those two requirements is fine by me personally.

We do not marry or cohabitate because it brings the state into your relationship. It leaves you vulnerable to Temporary Restraining Orders, alimony and "palimony," etc.

It is also not wise to have anything beside a strictly professional working relationship with female co-workers, or anything beside the bare minimum interaction with fellow college students. Too many minefields, there.

Replace the area that used to be marked "Here, there be dragons," with "Here, there be kangaroo courts."

On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

I'm out. Peace.
- Owen, 07.03.2022

I’ve been with women but at some point it has entered my mind that I don’t like the idea of lying (I have many times) if that’s what I have to do for sex. Not that I put women on a pedestal but I do consider them human and my “inner being” has to live with the lies. And for me — “going my own way” in some way means being an all around better person…a complete person. Lying for personal gain makes me feel closer to the immoral/lying/cheating masses that make up today’s society (“imma gets mines”). In some way the lies make me feel more womanly than manly.

Originally Posted by Edwardhaskell

I’ve been with women but at some point it has entered my mind that I don’t like the idea of lying (I have many times) if that’s what I have to do for sex. Not that I put women on a pedestal but I do consider them human and my “inner being” has to live with the lies. And for me — “going my own way” in some way means being an all around better person…a complete person. Lying for personal gain makes me feel closer to the immoral/lying/cheating masses that make up today’s society (“imma gets mines”). In some way the lies make me feel more womanly than manly.

I had a few pump and dumps after my divorce and ended up sharing your sentiment. Dumping them was a PITA, and I always felt a twinge of guilt after doing it. A part of me kept saying I wasn’t much better than my cheating ex by doing it. So I just quit the whole thing altogether.

And it’s not really an issue. At my age (55), there’s just not the pressure for release from a strong testosterone flow like the younger guys have. Much tougher for them to overcome mother nature’s cock motivation. 20 - 30 years ago, I could never have ghosted.

I feel for you younger guys.

Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW

My friend has a steady gf. He's been with her for about a year or so and she wants to get married, of course. Why wouldn't she? He's loaded and he hasn't even turned 40 yet. But he's not having ANY of that. Because his divorce cost him ~$125k. In her efforts to change his mind, she regularly shows him a great time in the bedroom. He enjoys that. But marriage and/or cohabitation are just not on the table for him. And they never will be.

He swears by this approach too. He says the bedroom stuff is amazing. And because she's trying to win him over, he tells me she bends over backwards to accommodate him on basically everything: the restaurants they go to (if any), their date stuff, even whatever he wants to watch on Netflix. She won't even insist on spending holidays together. His basic attitude is that his refusal to get married is keeping her on her best behavior.

Now, he's convinced he's going to get dumped once she realizes that he's serious about never living together, no marriage, no nuthin. But RIGHT THIS MOMENT, she's behaving perfectly. And all it costs Tim is an occasional State Of The Union type of talk where she angles for a wedding. It never works. But she keeps trying.

This almost mirrors my approach to women in my life since my divorce. I make sure in the early date "interview" that women do to state flat out and firm. No marriage. No cohab. Ever. I also explain that should we both want to, I will be exclusive. I don't date others. I don't cheat. All of it is true. I do not lie for pussy. Ever. That includes giving false hope that down the road I will change my mind on marriage or cohab.

Women almost see it as a challenge. What was said above is true. I get treated like a king. Bedroom gymnastics are outstanding. Grief and bullshit at near zero.

I've had two break up with me. Both times it was said. "I thought I could change you." They just keep that hidden agenda tucked deep away. They are amazed I let them leave. That I don't cave in when it comes to no more bedroom gym. Unless we move in together.

The man who get's along fine with women.

Is the man who gets along fine without one.

Originally Posted by OwenWentFullMGTOW

My friend has a steady gf. He's been with her for about a year or so and she wants to get married, of course. Why wouldn't she? He's loaded and he hasn't even turned 40 yet. But he's not having ANY of that. Because his divorce cost him ~$125k. In her efforts to change his mind, she regularly shows him a great time in the bedroom. He enjoys that. But marriage and/or cohabitation are just not on the table for him. And they never will be.

He swears by this approach too. He says the bedroom stuff is amazing. And because she's trying to win him over, he tells me she bends over backwards to accommodate him on basically everything: the restaurants they go to (if any), their date stuff, even whatever he wants to watch on Netflix. She won't even insist on spending holidays together. His basic attitude is that his refusal to get married is keeping her on her best behavior.

Now, he's convinced he's going to get dumped once she realizes that he's serious about never living together, no marriage, no nuthin. But RIGHT THIS MOMENT, she's behaving perfectly. And all it costs Tim is an occasional State Of The Union type of talk where she angles for a wedding. It never works. But she keeps trying.

The problem with women, they won't continue this nice behavior, which is following the man's instructions and giving him sex all the time. She knows that if she gets married to him, she won't perform any of that during marriage, which is why the guy is serious about not marrying her.

Eventually, she'll see this as loss, because he won't give in to marriage. So, she'll find another sucker that will, and ruin his life that way.

My mother still think marriage is the way to sex. Despite her years as a christian after converting in 1999, I know the game is up, despite my childhood in christianity and judaism. I still believe in God, and Jesus, but marriage?? I don't. They don't let men take control in marriage.

And some mgtow, said, that if you get married, you'll be forced to have the state in the marriage, even while married to your wife. It makes sense. Why the fuck would any man get married? I think was SAM?? I'm moving to TEXAS. Apparently, gynocentricism is known there. So, I might as well get laid.