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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    Extremely smart - not really. Programmed by human minds and cannot act outside its parameters. No creative intelligence. Yeah they can 'learn', but this is simply storing data on which to base future decisions. They will never achieve true sentience.
    You are overestimating humans. Most of the tasks done by anyone below 120 IQ are extremely dumb, repetitive tasks.

    And about programming and cannot act outside human parameters, now THIS is my expertise area, and you are just talking about something you dont understand. There is a concept called emergence, and it DOES NOT require modern AIs. Emergence means your program (not AI, program) shows behaviour significantly better than what you programmed it for. Look any book on artificial intelligence for games, which are like archaic algorithms at this point, and even they can achieve emergence.

    Like I said in other threads too, I dont care about sermons or preaching because they are all the same. Whether coming from religious people, scientific people or common folk. Give me formulas, algorithms, programs and blueprints, and spare me the rest.

    The AIs gets the job done. The programs and algorithms gets the job done, better than most of the humans. Thats all I ever care about. Whatever "true sentience" is, is pointless when a drone is shooting at you with superhuman precision.
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Sandman just released some days ago a video in his Youtube channel about if robots will replace women. This has something to do with this Artificial Womb topic, so I am posting this here:

    https://youtu.be/lahR-Yf80aw

    And by the way, I also just found another older video in his channel about this same topic:

    https://youtu.be/BpVDEljxNJo
    Just adding another recent news here, about Artificial Wombs:

    https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/m...tside-the-womb

    Specially this quote:

    "Australian sociologist Robyn Rowland worries: “We [women] may find ourselves without a product of any kind with which to bargain… if that last power is taken and controlled by men, what role is envisaged for women in the new world? Will women become obsolete?”

    Looks like bitches dont know they are already obsolete for Mgtows. We need just to decide what will replace them in the future. Artificial wombs, sex bots, genetically enhanced females...

    Another very interesting point is she talking about reproduction in womb as "the last power" in women to be controlled by men. Remember what I told you about Power in that thread about religions. Powers are what matter after all:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...-mgtows-14089/

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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    I’ve heard both sides:

    Giving birth is all we’re good at; please don’t take that away from us.

    And…

    We’re stronger & more intelligent than men.

    Well, which is it? Are you dominant or are you begging? But you can be both at the same time can’t you?

    Women huh!

    Fuckin’ head wreckers the lot of ‘em.

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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I’ve heard both sides:

    Giving birth is all we’re good at; please don’t take that away from us.

    And…

    We’re stronger & more intelligent than men.

    Well, which is it? Are you dominant or are you begging? But you can be both at the same time can’t you?

    Women huh!

    Fuckin’ head wreckers the lot of ‘em.
    24 years ago all that actually meant something to me. Now? It's all obsolete, pointless, and meaningless, carved from my life and incinerated for the cancer that it is!

    I had a woman stop in front of my house and try to strike up a conversation, well, lets just say it lasted as long as you can hold a lit match! They truly don't know how repugnant they've become, but I'm teaching them one encounter at a time!

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    I was thinking this morning about how those whining about sexism are actually sexist. Yeah, it's nothing new. But just made me laugh.
    You've got people shouting about sexism everywhere bending over to give wamen special treatment.
    Preferential treatment based on sex is, you know, sexism.
    Sometimes I talk to wamen like they're men.
    It's evident they would rather I was sexist.
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I was thinking this morning about how those whining about sexism are actually sexist. Yeah, it's nothing new. But just made me laugh.
    You've got people shouting about sexism everywhere bending over to give wamen special treatment.
    Preferential treatment based on sex is, you know, sexism.
    Sometimes I talk to wamen like they're men.
    It's evident they would rather I was sexist.
    The divisive seeds are sewn deep in their souls, evidently deeper than their common sense, therein creating the ripe conditions for cognitive dissidence.
    The whole point to MGTOW is to break this soul wrenching condition through searching introspectively for these self pitying to self hatred seeds sewn throughout our lives.

    I wasn't created to be a stress vessel for anyone to deposit their misconceptions and false beliefs. Music to their ears is agonizing noise to mine! We're not compatible on any level under these social conditions and expectations, consider me broken for that intent and purpose, while I consider myself fixed and modified to run good under these horrid conditions.

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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Female empowerment goes hand in hand with civilisational decline and failure.
    I try not to be too civilised! Which is to say, not stray too far from nature.
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Another article about Artificial Wombs. And this one really has to do with Masculinists:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...hould-women-be

    Artificial wombs are only three years away - how scared should women be?

    Some “men’s rights activists” hope that technology will make women obsolete.

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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Another article about Artificial Wombs. And this one really has to do with Masculinists:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...hould-women-be

    Artificial wombs are only three years away - how scared should women be?

    Some “men’s rights activists” hope that technology will make women obsolete.
    I dont think its going to flip like a switch. Today women useful, tomorrow women useless. This technology will face a lot of resistance from the men too, because the men utilizing this machine will be ostracized, just like a sex-doll user is ostracized (even in red pill community).

    To break that ice barrier, something more than that is needed, and it may come in the form genetic editing and cloning tech. Mix those with artificial womb, and then a corporation or country (China ?) can create an army of soldiers without needing a single willing man or woman. Perfect soldiers.

    In other words, it must come to a point, when even MEN start to become obsolete (in favor of machines or machine made men). There is literally no limit what you can do with these "humans". You can produce them in some deep underground bunker in some of the remotest parts of the world, and perform any kind of experiment you want on them, and at ANY age. You can mix and match any of their body parts with machines, including internal organs like brain, heart etc at the stage of fetus !!

    Artificial wombs, CRISPR, Cas-9, artificial intelligence... we have entered cyberpunk fiction now, and a lot of people are completely oblivious of this !
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I dont think its going to flip like a switch. Today women useful, tomorrow women useless. This technology will face a lot of resistance from the men too, because the men utilizing this machine will be ostracized, just like a sex-doll user is ostracized (even in red pill community).

    To break that ice barrier, something more than that is needed, and it may come in the form genetic editing and cloning tech. Mix those with artificial womb, and then a corporation or country (China ?) can create an army of soldiers without needing a single willing man or woman. Perfect soldiers.

    In other words, it must come to a point, when even MEN start to become obsolete (in favor of machines or machine made men). There is literally no limit what you can do with these "humans". You can produce them in some deep underground bunker in some of the remotest parts of the world, and perform any kind of experiment you want on them, and at ANY age. You can mix and match any of their body parts with machines, including internal organs like brain, heart etc at the stage of fetus !!

    Artificial wombs, CRISPR, Cas-9, artificial intelligence... we have entered cyberpunk fiction now, and a lot of people are completely oblivious of this !
    Good to mention about the Chinese super soldiers:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1249914

    "China has done human testing to create biologically enhanced super soldiers, says top U.S. official

    U.S. intelligence agencies didn't immediately respond to requests for comment about whether China seeks super soldiers like those in such films as "Captain America."

    Looks like they are already trying this. Maybe the solution is becoming super humans ourselves. Or becoming some kind of Luddites to fight against such technologies till we turn back to Middle Ages. Not easy solutions anyway, eh?

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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Looks like they are already trying this. Maybe the solution is becoming super humans ourselves. Or becoming some kind of Luddites to fight against such technologies till we turn back to Middle Ages. Not easy solutions anyway, eh?
    The Luddite way... how is it supposed to win against these "super soldiers" if any ?

    You are right, there are no easy solutions. When a technologically advanced enemy appears on the horizon, advanced enough that there is no doubt you stand no chance with your current tech, then there are just two ways it can go :

    1. Advance yourself
    2. Extinct

    There is no "Luddite" way, its just #2 phrased in a way which makes it sound virtuous, as opposed to calling it "extinction" which sounds like defeat.

    That being said, based on whatever I have heard, even if they do end up making super soldiers, they wont be having that kind of edge on their own, atleast not to US. The bigger threat to US is its society, not China, atleast not yet.
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    The Luddite way... how is it supposed to win against these "super soldiers" if any ?

    You are right, there are no easy solutions. When a technologically advanced enemy appears on the horizon, advanced enough that there is no doubt you stand no chance with your current tech, then there are just two ways it can go :

    1. Advance yourself
    2. Extinct

    There is no "Luddite" way, its just #2 phrased in a way which makes it sound virtuous, as opposed to calling it "extinction" which sounds like defeat.

    That being said, based on whatever I have heard, even if they do end up making super soldiers, they wont be having that kind of edge on their own, atleast not to US. The bigger threat to US is its society, not China, atleast not yet.
    It's past "threat" and well into "reckless endangerment". Our constitution establishes "the right to take measures necessary" when the government becomes destructive to its own ends, and that bottom line is to protect, defend, and preserve the body politic, whereas I'm part of a deceased body politic murdered by corruption, ill will, and malicious intent. Possibly the most deteriorated place on the U.S. map. More abandoned and desolate than Detroit by capita.

    All my claims and arguments made in a court of law are technically still in litigation as the judicial abandoned all cases and gave no final decree, that started in 1999 and continues indefinitely leaving me dwelling under CEASE AND DESIST and suspended against the law under standing threats of fines and imprisonment.

    I rape lawyers, prosecutors, and Judges intellectually at their own game using their own rules, I fuck them GOOD and PROPPER!

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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Our constitution establishes ...
    While I do understand what you wrote, most US citizens misunderstand that kind of language when it comes to 2nd amendment, guns or "correcting" the problematic government.

    The 2nd amendment doesnt establish any right to own arms, its only a reminder. You already have the right. The left can go ahead and get that amendment removed, shouldnt matter at all. While you specifically may understand that, but most people have taken it too far on the meaning of those words. Adherence to constitution, especially the best one in the world is all fine and dandy and awesome, but people simply forgot that its not a substitute for the god (nature in case of Jefferson).
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    If any of this is true, then China will no longer need their pesky citizens, and wont bother if US nukes them in mutual nuclear war or anything :

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    Must suck being Monster makers neighboring country! Huh?

    The Mexican's and Canadians bordering us are nothing like what's bordering you! On BOTH SIDES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Must suck being Monster makers neighboring country! Huh?

    The Mexican's and Canadians bordering us are nothing like what's bordering you! On BOTH SIDES!
    Well the smaller one of them is merely a puppet of the bigger one at this point. And the bigger one is busy with problems on the other side. So for now, not that bad.

    But who knows, things can change... shit can hit the fan out of the blue. Hard to say right now when and what.
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    The Luddite way... how is it supposed to win against these "super soldiers" if any ?

    You are right, there are no easy solutions. When a technologically advanced enemy appears on the horizon, advanced enough that there is no doubt you stand no chance with your current tech, then there are just two ways it can go :

    1. Advance yourself
    2. Extinct

    There is no "Luddite" way, its just #2 phrased in a way which makes it sound virtuous, as opposed to calling it "extinction" which sounds like defeat.

    That being said, based on whatever I have heard, even if they do end up making super soldiers, they wont be having that kind of edge on their own, atleast not to US. The bigger threat to US is its society, not China, atleast not yet.
    This is a good question and I have some doubts like that. Some Primitivists (as Unabomber himself) seems to support that some advanced technologies and weapons can be useful and must be temporarily used to destroy hostile technologies. His books "Unabomber Manifesto" and "Anti-Tech Revolution" explain more about it.

    But in the far future, once hostile advanced technologies are destroyed, primitivist advanced technologies must be destroyed as well. Only simple and primitive technologies will be allowed, and all societies must be based on more primitive and natural laws and technologies.

    But this is their theory, of course. Bring this idea to the real world is much more harder. Specially because most of people are very satisfied with their modern technologies nowadays. TVs, video games, smartphones, cars, medicines...

    Even some Primitivists themselves know that most people will wake up and fight against technologies only in the future, when more technologies become really dangerous, advanced and oppressive.

    And secondly is that human extinction is not necessarily a defeat according to some philosophies. As I said before some Mgtows are really extinctionists. Human extinction would be actually the main goal, and the only solution to our problems.

    Originally, it seems that most extinctionists were radical ecological activists, that say that humans must go extinct because they are destroying the planet, as the VHEMT group.

    But I have seem many Mgtows who are also anti-natalist, dont want to have children, and just dont give a fuck about society and mankind anymore, and just think that it would be better if we simply go extinct.

    But again, I need to write more about Primitivist and Extinctionist Mgtows in other threads. They are very complex philosophies and they need more special attention in their own threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    This is a good question and I have some doubts like that. Some Primitivists (as Unabomber himself) seems to support that some advanced technologies and weapons can be useful and must be temporarily used to destroy hostile technologies. His books "Unabomber Manifesto" and "Anti-Tech Revolution" explain more about it.

    But in the far future, once hostile advanced technologies are destroyed, primitivist advanced technologies must be destroyed as well. Only simple and primitive technologies will be allowed, and all societies must be based on more primitive and natural laws and technologies.
    Replace those bombers with things like Cobalt Bomb, it might be possible to beat the high tech. The problem is... there will be nothing left of the planet, based on what I know about that bomb. Look it up, its interesting, unless you know about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    But this is their theory, of course. Bring this idea to the real world is much more harder. Specially because most of people are very satisfied with their modern technologies nowadays. TVs, video games, smartphones, cars, medicines...
    That is not the major problem if some people want to fight technology, or atleast fight unhinged scientific development. The problem is people arent even aware how much we have advanced technologically in 21st century.

    - Artificial Life Form : Done
    - Complete understanding of brain's structure : Done
    - Complete understanding of human behavior : Done

    Now how many of them people are aware ? Likely for many, not even one. They are still stuck in 20th century, if not 19th. Few days ago, I was talking to a guy who wasnt even aware that we have the technique to interface with the nerves and create things like artificial hands or fingers. When he saw the clip he thought there is some mechanical device.

    It took me few minutes to explain to him that the device is controlled directly by nerves, just as if they are real fingers.

    So by the times any "Luddite" will wise up that just maybe they wanna fight tech... humans probably will already be almost extinct.
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    Re: Artificial Wombs News

    Another new video from Sandman channel about sex bots:

    https://youtu.be/jItwJVJ1yF4

    And by the way, days ago he also made a video about another related news, that Elon Musk is developing a new kind of "virtual sex":

    https://youtu.be/CgW2CLdGxus

    I didn't found more details about it, but suddenly, it made me remember that hologram girl from Blade Runner 2049 (a movie with some good sci-fi Mgtow points by the way):

    https://youtu.be/RL0gX1_NWTk

    But we need to wait more to see futurely what kind of new techs could be an easier and better option for Mgtows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    But we need to wait more to see futurely what kind of new techs could be an easier and better option for Mgtows.
    Personally, I dont give a damn about sex bots or virtual sex or sex this or sex that. I am fine with old school right hand method, with any visual representation, on paper or screen, moving pictures or static image.

    MGTOW for me personally, is way more about escaping GOVERNMENT, which is actually way harder than escaping women (which is cakewalk easy). So I'd really like a tech like, dunno, some kind of shoulder mounted planet cracker, like an rpg but with explosion enough to rip apart continents, that would be fun !!
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