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    For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    I was very shocked and disappointed by Trump a day or two ago when his campaign spokeswoman stated that if abortion were to become illegal, when a woman gets an abortion, "The woman is a victim in this case" (full statement in the link below).

    Well, guess what !! Silly me, and silly Trump: it seems like this has been the position of anti abortion people all along:

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/0...rted-morality/

    It seems like anti abortion people consider abortion to be murder, want to outlaw it, but, if it were to be outlawed, consider the women that would still get then illegal abortions to be victims.

    Hmmm ... I wonder how long it will take before married women who solicit the murder of their husbands will be considered victims too.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Not every anti-abortionist thinks that. I am pro-life and I don't think women are victims if they get preggo. There is 10+ different forms of birth-control, so to me, getting pregnant is a choice these days. And just as easily as they tell men to keep it in their pants, we should tell women, welp, should of kept your legs shut.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    i grew up with the religious right anti-abortion people, so saying women are responsible for killing babies is very profound. here is a video about historical abortion statistics. there is also the whole 'infanticide' thing that female animals do. then there is the Sparta thing where they throw the baby off the cliff. there are also several episodes of 'Deadly Women' that have mothers killing their babies and kids. one of the times a mother killed her kids, it was called "SIDS" or sudden infant death syndrome.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW Nomad View Post
    Not every anti-abortionist thinks that. I am pro-life and I don't think women are victims if they get preggo. There is 10+ different forms of birth-control, so to me, getting pregnant is a choice these days. And just as easily as they tell men to keep it in their pants, we should tell women, welp, should of kept your legs shut.
    I'm with you. Right now, with abortion legal, women and their proud slogan, "My body, my choice" certainly claim agency for this choice and they cannot be a victim of an abortion they chose to have. If abortion became illegal, by wanting to declare themselves victims I can see that they want to keep their choice alive and guilt-free, to keep or to abort, rather than remove abortion off of their list of guiltless choices.

    As you point out, when men complain about child support et al, women invariably respond with smug delight to say that men should learn to keep their pants zipped, posturing that this failure of prior restraint on the part of the male permits no addressing of injustice on all matters of unfairness that follow the failure. In agreement with you, I think this growing discussion about illegal abortions and victimization is the perfect time for men to aggressively remind women of their obligation to keep their pants zipped. I'd go further, and remind women of the other prior restraints at their disposal, that they should have used effective birth control (yes, blame women for the ineffectiveness), or that they need to keep the baby that they exposed their fertile womb to make. Finally, that they can give up the baby for adoption.
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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    A true victim. Especially those women who procrastinate for 8 months and then have a late third trimester abortion when it's fully a baby. Because they can.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    There is no moral or logical justification for abortion. However:
    1) If you "force" women to carry on with the pregnancy, who's going to enforce and secure the maturation of the fetus? Who's to say she won't ingest poison or other harmful substances? Who'd prevent her from doing so?
    2) Where would all the children go? Foster care? I may have heard too many horror stories about that one, but is it really in the best interest of the child? My family may have been far from perfect but I think it's still preferable to growing up in foster care. And adoption, well, there are only so many people who DO adopt. We're talking about millions here.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit View Post
    There is no moral or logical justification for abortion. However:
    1) If you "force" women to carry on with the pregnancy, who's going to enforce and secure the maturation of the fetus? Who's to say she won't ingest poison or other harmful substances? Who'd prevent her from doing so?
    2) Where would all the children go? Foster care? I may have heard too many horror stories about that one, but is it really in the best interest of the child? My family may have been far from perfect but I think it's still preferable to growing up in foster care. And adoption, well, there are only so many people who DO adopt. We're talking about millions here.
    Millions, indeed. The CDC (and other sources) estimate that the total number of abortions in the USA since 1973's Roe v. Wade is now over 58,000,000 which dwarfs the 2.8+ million Americans that have died in all US wars since 1775 combined.

    http://www.numberofabortions.com/

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdenour View Post
    I was very shocked and disappointed by Trump a day or two ago when his campaign spokeswoman stated that if abortion were to become illegal, when a woman gets an abortion, "The woman is a victim in this case" (full statement in the link below).
    Which is something feminism should take note of. All that consciousness-raising, all that realising that women are teh victims, is nothing but a bid for control over their lives. But they'll only realise it when it's Trump doing it.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW Nomad View Post
    Not every anti-abortionist thinks that. I am pro-life and I don't think women are victims if they get preggo. There is 10+ different forms of birth-control, so to me, getting pregnant is a choice these days. And just as easily as they tell men to keep it in their pants, we should tell women, welp, should of kept your legs shut.
    most of the pro-lifers I meet often tend to be against contraception as well... (and all too often in the same breath)
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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Eiji View Post
    most of the pro-lifers I meet often tend to be against contraception as well... (and all too often in the same breath)
    Really? Why is that? I'm assuming its because your not following God's mandate of "multiply and fill up the earth".

    But it also says in the Bible that a man should prepare his field before he takes a wife. Translation: Have your business / money income ready to go. Because back then there was no birth control, if you were having sex, you were having children.

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    Re: For anti abortion people people, when a woman solicits murder, she is a victim

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW Nomad View Post
    Really? Why is that? I'm assuming its because your not following God's mandate of "multiply and fill up the earth".

    But it also says in the Bible that a man should prepare his field before he takes a wife. Translation: Have your business / money income ready to go. Because back then there was no birth control, if you were having sex, you were having children.
    well... since I have an inherited condition... having a kid would be a Crime against Civilization.... (predestined to be a burden on The People)
    what I dont get is how they think they can have it both ways... against abortion, but against contraception... something that can prevent abortions....

    besides... I'm for contraception because I dont want to see runaway overpopulation... I dont know if you heard of an anime called "DNA Squared"..but one chara is a time traveler from a nightmare future.. one where overpopulation is so severe, having more than 2 kids is grounds for immediate execution....
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