Thread: After almost 10 years, GYOW is winding down (we will end the forums on May 10)

Good idea to close this place down. It's full of paranoid, frightened, whinging incels.

Fuck-U.

Originally Posted by Jacko

Says the most paranoid, frightened, whinging incel of all.

Whatever you say, you've got the stage, for now.

I'll leave you in your highchair to throw your food at whoever you want, I've seen this sort of behavior before (women and children) which one are you?

How's life in your abandoned family compound in Massachusetts?

Originally Posted by Jacko

How's life in your abandoned family compound in Massachusetts?

Why don't you come here and find out?

On my way.

Originally Posted by Jacko

Good idea to close this place down. It's full of paranoid, frightened, whinging incels.

OOOO' Really? You wanna be awarded? Here's the award ...

Originally Posted by Jacko

Good idea to close this place down. It's full of paranoid, frightened, whinging incels.

Having fun Jacko?

When I don't like someplace, I don't go there.

I sent you a pm with no reply. Are you open to selling the site?

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

I sent you a pm with no reply. Are you open to selling the site?

I don't think our fearless leader's answering the phone anymore. But I can help you.

One of the mods asked, Jag wasn't interested. He figures selling the site would just keep something going that he no longer believes in. Considering how full of yahoos the place has been the last year or so, I don't blame him.

Originally Posted by frog

I don't think our fearless leader's answering the phone anymore. But I can help you.

One of the mods asked, Jag wasn't interested. He figures selling the site would just keep something going that he no longer believes in. Considering how full of yahoos the place has been the last year or so, I don't blame him.

This is a special community filled with truth. It's powerful. I hope we can keep it around.

Originally Posted by manaloneforever

This is a special community filled with truth. It's powerful. I hope we can keep it around.

Sorry MAF, it's a done deal. I think the Reddit community going down did more to kill this place than anything else. Besides some very fine brothers, we inherited a new breed of member. New to me anyway. I'm guessing they came from Reddit, the timing was about right. They had to come from someplace. If wrong, I'm all ears.

They said they were MGTOW and they have knowledge. When asked, their advice was good. They even followed the principles, or at least knew when to shut up. But they joined cause they wanted some place to be a dick and claiming MGTOW status here was doing the job. Then they couldn't resist looking down on those who weren't MGTOW enough to suit them. A lot of them got banned, but not enough, apparently. My guess is Jag figures there was more than could be weeded out.

I don't really know, but that's my story till I hear a better one. I'd also say that if we were paying the bills and saw enough people we didn't like, we'd probably do the same thing.

Originally Posted by jagrmeister

Just to be clear that's not what's happening here. I have no dispute with the mods whatsoever. Nor do I feel we at gyow have more misguided posters than any other mgtow community. What's happening to MGTOW is "global" in the sense you see it everywhere. The problems we have are the problems other communities have. I know there's a better answer for men out there somewhere.

I recently registered to this site, only to find out that you're shutting it down, haha! It's a shame, but I can understand your decision, especially since running the site has been such an economic burden for you.

I'd like to ask you about the quoted text though. What exactly do you mean when you say that the problems that plague men, and prompt them to seek out the manosphere (and perhaps MGTOW), are afflicting other communities; no, all communities?

Surely you can't mean that the "global" problems pertaining to the manosphere and men afflict women and feminism as well, for example?

Also, what do you believe the answer for men would be, if not to stop bothering with women and finding "their own way"? MGTOW seems to me to be the perfect and most rational solution, honestly.

If your problems with the site are incels and economics, then it's more than understandable that you'd like to move on to something else, but other than that I just can't understand by what you mean with your rationale?

Kind regards / SlobberingDog

Originally Posted by SlobberingDog

I recently registered to this site, only to find out that you're shutting it down, haha! It's a shame, but I can understand your decision, especially since running the site has been such an economic burden for you.

I'd like to ask you about the quoted text though. What exactly do you mean when you say that the problems that plague men, and prompt them to seek out the manosphere (and perhaps MGTOW), are afflicting other communities; no, all communities?

Surely you can't mean that the "global" problems pertaining to the manosphere and men afflict women and feminism as well, for example?

Also, what do you believe the answer for men would be, if not to stop bothering with women and finding "their own way"? MGTOW seems to me to be the perfect and most rational solution, honestly.

If your problems with the site are incels and economics, then it's more than understandable that you'd like to move on to something else, but other than that I just can't understand by what you mean with your rationale?

Kind regards / SlobberingDog

My 2 cents…

It’s a rare thing to find someone who understands, or at least accepts that there are other viewpoints.

In the case of MGTOW it seems to me that there are 2 main types:

Those that still worship pussy but know not to get too involved, hence the no marriage / no impregnation stance.

And…

Those, like myself, that no longer see the acquisition of pussy as having any relevant meaning.

These 2 mind sets will never truly accept the other as valid as they have totally different approaches not only with regards women but more so as to their approach to life.

Jagr (the owner of this site) has made it very clear that he is very firmly the former. With his comments towards the latter that we are all either incel or cowards it seems clear to me that his intent was to seek validation of his own stance by using this forum to coerce those of us that have totally rejected pussy into his way of thinking.

Except he got it backwards.

Most of us that have rejected the almighty vag used to be like him but have since moved on and this he cannot accept as it undermines his own position and viewpoint, so he sees us as extremists.

We, on the other hand, see our former selves in his stance and so understand it somewhat, but having moved forward we can no longer accept it as a valid path to future happiness, contentment and peaceful existence.

Never the twain shall meet.

With regards to incels, there’s simply no such thing. There is always prostitution. Those that claim that particular mantle are just angry that the world doesn’t work in their favour and they are not alone in this stance, most SJWs are the same.

Originally Posted by Jackoff

My 2 cents…

It’s a rare thing to find someone who understands, or at least accepts that there are other viewpoints.

In the case of MGTOW it seems to me that there are 2 main types:

Those that still worship pussy but know not to get too involved, hence the no marriage / no impregnation stance.

And…

Those, like myself, that no longer see the acquisition of pussy as having any relevant meaning.

These 2 mind sets will never truly accept the other as valid as they have totally different approaches not only with regards women but more so as to their approach to life.

Jagr (the owner of this site) has made it very clear that he is very firmly the former. With his comments towards the latter that we are all either incel or cowards it seems clear to me that his intent was to seek validation of his own stance by using this forum to coerce those of us that have totally rejected pussy into his way of thinking.

Except he got it backwards.

Most of us that have rejected the almighty vag used to be like him but have since moved on and this he cannot accept as it undermines his own position and viewpoint, so he sees us as extremists.

We, on the other hand, see our former selves in his stance and so understand it somewhat, but having moved forward we can no longer accept it as a valid path to future happiness, contentment and peaceful existence.

Never the twain shall meet.

With regards to incels, there’s simply no such thing. There is always prostitution. Those that claim that particular mantle are just angry that the world doesn’t work in their favour and they are not alone in this stance, most SJWs are the same.

I hear ya man, once a man goes solo, it's like a bird taking to flight, you can't teach the unwilling to fly, it's something that wells up from within, all the frustration and anger of yester year create the thermals we now use to glide through life effortlessly thankful we learned how to fly.

I'll be sorry to see this forum go, but I agree with the reasons you laid out. I too have seen things in the online MGTOW social communities change from pursuing men's understanding and liberation to indulging in petty rants against women for the sake of ranting. The petty rants seem aimed not at pursuing men's self-determined wellbeing, but as scoring a one-up against women.

I've seen it on other forums. Post something about "MGTOW 2.0", or the successful single life of a man who has crossed the river and left the boat behind, and few people are interested. They prefer to whine about women. Or they might see the writings of men who have crossed the river as an opportunity to waive it in women's face and taunt them with "see, we're gone and you're gonna die alone, nanny nanny boo boo." Come on, man, is that what crossing the river was about?

We do need some men who have crossed the river to dedicate some time to broadcasting back to the other side to offer liberation to men who want it. To an extent, we all do that just by moving through the world as successfully liberated men. Some men in blue-pill land might see us as weird for not conforming to the blue-pill narrative, but the example stays in their memory and might be re-evaluated more positively later. But being a passive example isn't enough. A more active outreach is necessary. The goal of the outreach is to connect with men who are interested, then coach them across the river. That's the most we can and should do. Unfortunately, MGTOW is now burdened my men who prefer to see themselves as victims who must attack the system from within. To those men, I say forget about that. Just cross the river and live your best life.

Well, it's been a hell of a ride. Thanks to all for making it possible. If my way ever intersects with yours, then the beer is on me.

This site is going to be missed! I too on the groups on Facebook I run have had to be more active in keeping out Black Pill and Incel ideology from sneaking

To one extent this was to be expected. As MGTOW got larger it was going to mean a net increase in everyone not just the good ones.

MGTOW is now getting to the point where it has to transform itself, possibly become more organized. Keep in mind that this lack of centralized leadership also prevented opponents of MGTOW from zoning in on key people to take it out! It also made it much harder to define. As a result outsiders have started to define MGTOW as they see fit.

Going to miss this place though

Wow, I'm surprised. Just checked in today and saw the news. I hadn't checked in for months. I don't blame Jag. I didn't realize the forum cost him 5K/year to run. That's a fair chunk of change.

I did not feel comfortable here, so I only visited occasionally. It's a bummer that it is being shut down, though. It was nice to be able to check in every once in a while, if only to get a dose of hardcore MGTOW. That can help bolster me against loneliness, pining for "love," and so forth. Those things aren't normally an issue, but they come up occasionally (as they did recently, when a good friend got into a relationship that he is very happy with).

Imo, the site was overly narrow in its vision of what MGTOW is. Back in the day, MGTOW had a very big umbrella -- as long as you weren't planning on getting married or cohabiting, you were in; you were MGTOW. But the definition (or entrance criteria) here were very different. It wasn't just "no marriage/cohab," it was no romantic or emotional relationships with women at all, period, ever and forever. To me, that is a far too constricting, narrow view of going your own way. I butted heads with Unboxxed and other members over it a couple times, with predictable results (lol). I don't agree that MGTOW = you shall never have (or even consider having) a girlfriend for the rest of your life. To be clear, I haven't had/sought a girlfriend for over a decade, but if you tell me I am not allowed to even want one or else I'm not a real MGTOW, you can go jump in a lake (that's the PG-13 version anyhow, lol).

The narrow definition led to a rather insular-feeling group, almost walled off from alternative points of view. I didn't like that. It felt slanted and verging on echo chamber dynamics at times. I prefer more open discussions, with people who have a wide variety of points of view, experiences, and perspectives, with some people softening the views and adding counterpoints, rather than everyone just agreeing. So, I didn't fit very well. Which is okay, of course. Not every group fits everyone.

In terms of MGTOW overall, I see what Jag is talking about. I wouldn't necessarily call it "incel" energy, but I get what he means. The negativity, the endless stories about women behaving badly, the constant finger pointing at women, and all the doomsday predictions. I don't benefit from inhaling content like that on a regular basis. I think it's much worse elsewhere, including in some of the forums that have been suggested as alternatives. You can also see it on Youtube, where the MGTOW content has deteriorated badly. Almost no focus on male responsibility (aside from platitudes about working on yourself, stacking cash, etc.), just the same old line. Very repetitive. To be sure, the content is useful for young, naive guys who are new to this. Heck, it's even occasionally useful for old guys like me who just want a reminder or a boost to the counterprogramming.

I'm sorry to see the forum go, since it was one of the last MGTOW forums on the net, and its death makes me feel more acutely how MGTOW is fading (although the basic knowledge is going forward under other labels, like red pill). I was a committed bachelor long before MGTOW came along, though, and I'll be a committed bachelor long after it fades.

I hope everyone finds their own, individual way forward towards a satisfying and fulfilling life, whatever that means for you.

Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell

Imo, the site was overly narrow in its vision of what MGTOW is. Back in the day, MGTOW had a very big umbrella -- as long as you weren't planning on getting married or cohabiting, you were in; you were MGTOW. But the definition (or entrance criteria) here were very different. It wasn't just "no marriage/cohab," it was no romantic or emotional relationships with women at all, period, ever and forever. To me, that is a far too constricting, narrow view of going your own way. I butted heads with Unboxxed and other members over it a couple times, with predictable results (lol). I don't agree that MGTOW = you shall never have (or even consider having) a girlfriend for the rest of your life. To be clear, I haven't had/sought a girlfriend for over a decade, but if you tell me I am not allowed to even want one or else I'm not a real MGTOW, you can go jump in a lake (that's the PG-13 version anyhow, lol).

The narrow definition led to a rather insular-feeling group, almost walled off from alternative points of view. I didn't like that. It felt slanted and verging on echo chamber dynamics at times. I prefer more open discussions, with people who have a wide variety of points of view, experiences, and perspectives, with some people softening the views and adding counterpoints, rather than everyone just agreeing. So, I didn't fit very well. Which is okay, of course. Not every group fits everyone.

I hadn't been all that active here either. I was a bit dismayed over the past year or more to see guys getting banned because they apparently weren't pure enough. Going one's own way is a process and I would expect there to be newcomers that have many questions and are just starting the process. I think locking them out led to the present situation where they came back to stir the shit, as it were. I still say that doing away with mandatory introductions and letting registrations be a free for all became a self fulfilling prophecy. It's sad because it didn't have to be this way.

See you over on Tower's board.