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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    Were you the one that thinks that Stardusk/Thinking Ape is controlled opposition? I don't see how you can argue that TFM is controlled opposition.....he's been booted off of platform after platform.

    Isn't the point of controlled opposition to stay in the mainstream discourse?

    And, I would have to ask -- controlled by whom?

    I don't buy the contention in either case, but especially not in the case of TFM.
    I'm always open to the idea that NO ONE online is who they appear to be. With that being said, there hasn't really come a time when listening to TFM that I felt he was being dishonest or not genuine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    With regard to the "jab" and being able to go to grocery stores.....since the "pandemic" began, I've been using Shipt for grocery store shopping and delivery. There's Instacart as well, and others.

    Yes, I know, it's the principle of the thing, and I'm as opposed to the "jab" fascism as much as anyone.....

    Just saying, that while Shipt may increase my grocery bill (as opposed to me going there), it's so worth it not to have to deal with the grocery store anymore. I recommend it to anyone that can afford it, and has it available in their area. It's a very GYOW service....
    Anyone who values freedom is going to have to find their way around this fascist system. I fault nobody for trying to find alternative means to get basics like groceries. We all have to navigate this shit-storm as best as we can.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I'm always open to the idea that NO ONE online is who they appear to be.
    I propose, or rather I am aware of and use, a very different idea. It sounds quite radical to most people, of all political affiliations, from nat-soc crazy right wing all the way to hardcore bolsheviks to the left. And all religious beliefs, from people willing to die for their faith, all the way to science(TM) people who will get fifty vaccinations if science(TM) asks them to.

    The idea basically adds one additional step to what most MGTOW people do. What we talk about all the time that we should be questioning every narrative, every ideology, every institution, every person, every opinion, etc. What I add to this is, is what to do after that, how to reach a conclusion.

    And in very simple terms, ask or look for what the person has OBSERVED and how the conclusion was derived. One nice example is what Faramir said few posts ago :

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    Hate to say it, but if they stole the presidency in 2020 (and they did), I'm not sure what's to stop them from stealing elections going forward..... I'm increasingly of the mind that we can't look to politics to solve our problems/concerns. Thus, GYOW is the best solution.....
    This is a very nice way of presenting something. He wrote clearly what he observed (they stole presidency), and from that observation he derived a conclusion, a prediction, that there doesnt seem to be anything stopping them from stealing in 2024. Its awesome, because if my observations are same as his (which it is), then I can compare what I conclude with what he concludes. If they match, then I dont need to "trust" Faramir so to speak.

    If on the other hand, you see someone make an opinion WITHOUT any observation, you can ask them what they observed and how they reached a conclusion, ask them to provide you with their analysis. If they are honest and dilligent, they will explain the details they know, and their analysis to the conclusion. You can take those details and match with what information you have. In case there is some detail that you cannot verify, then you ADD that information to the conclusion, such as "assuming X, we conclude Y" instead of just saying "we conclude Y". This preserves the integrity of your analysis, so that when you pass that information to someone else, they know that relies on an assumption, which if turns out to be false, then the conclusion is invalid.

    This is a very rigorous task. What will you see in most cases, when asked for analysis, people will do following things :
    1. Terminate the talk
    2. Dodge the question by changing topics, or conflating it with something else
    3. Ad hominem, start throwing insults NOT related to the argument
    4. Havent thought much about it, they admit its just their feeling
    5. They just dont care.

    In all of those cases, I just simply ignore their "opinion". This can also happen when they do give you observations and analysis but you find some fault, some contradiction, and when you ask them to clear it up, they resort to the above tactics instead of dealing with the problem. In that case too, I just ignore it.

    The only problem with this is that you cannot do it when time is short. If I am standing somewhere, and someone comes running around the corner and screams at me "RUNNNN !!!", I have to make a very quick decision, whether to trust this person or not. But online discussions, you have all the time in the world, so this exception doesnt apply here, most of the time atleast.
    Unless stated otherwise, I am NOT presenting my preferences.

    Preferences can be views, thoughts, opinions, philosophies, morals, values, ideology, imaginations, fantasies, fictions, god, soul, spirit...

    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    rskpsm: #2 is most-common, at least in my experience. I've found that facts seriously disturb these people. They don't know how to deal with them. But, that's what you get when you're dealing with adolescents in adults' bodies. Michael Savage used the term "mental disorder." However, it's just another way of describing the same state of affairs: The adolescent mind is incapable of rational thought. The problem now is that we have people who are well into adulthood and still haven't learned how to collect and process facts rationally and rigorously. Or who (should they successfully navigate that process, somehow) are brave enough to act in line with them. Because that would mean losing one's so-called "friends" on social media, or even in real life, and be cut off from people who've fooled that person into thinking they actually give a shit about him.

    Fake friends, fake facts. No need to expose oneself to truth, to think, to analyze, and to make one's own independent decisions. Nice and comfy and stress-free, and​ the perfect collective state of mind to permit a socialist takeover of the entire society.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    that's what you get when you're dealing with adolescents in adults' bodies.
    Yes, most of the people act just like that. Extreme hostility and childish reaction when the facts and logic start to stack against them.

    But then they have to, they have no other choice. Applying rigorous logic is... well.. rigorous task. And people tend to not do that when it doesnt benefit them, atleast not in the short term. And most people only care about short term. I am fine with that actually. They live their life according to what they see best....

    BUT

    That also means at some point the conflict is inevitable. If any of their actions conflicts with interests of someone who IS applying and following the full logical procedure, then it will come to a point where it will no longer be possible for one party to carry on further without changing a few things. Wars and conflicts, are bound to happen between these different groups.
    Unless stated otherwise, I am NOT presenting my preferences.

    Preferences can be views, thoughts, opinions, philosophies, morals, values, ideology, imaginations, fantasies, fictions, god, soul, spirit...

    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Nero fiddled while Rome burned!

    Fiddled with whom?

    I think I’ll stick to eating popcorn!

    Bring it on – the downfall of mankind – sure isn’t it great craic? It’s better than any movie I ever saw!

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Nero fiddled while Rome burned!

    Fiddled with whom?

    I think I’ll stick to eating popcorn!

    Bring it on – the downfall of mankind – sure isn’t it great craic? It’s better than any movie I ever saw!
    Nero fiddled

    Hitler slept

    Biden had cookies and milk.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Nero fiddled

    Hitler slept

    Biden had cookies and milk.
    Dude! You forgot ice cream! Here's a bit of revelation from the Alzheimer's Association Caregiver Tips and Tools:
    https://www.alz.org/media/cacentral/...-Ice-cream.pdf

    Also at https://archive.ph/zzWGh "just in case."

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Dude! You forgot ice cream! Here's a bit of revelation from the Alzheimer's Association Caregiver Tips and Tools:
    https://www.alz.org/media/cacentral/...-Ice-cream.pdf

    Also at https://archive.ph/zzWGh "just in case."
    Erm.

    Your first link to the PDF on Alzheimer's doesn't seem to work. Maybe it forgot where it is?

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Erm.

    Your first link to the PDF on Alzheimer's doesn't seem to work. Maybe it forgot where it is?
    My mind is sharp as a tack! I never forget things, I just don't remember them!
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Erm.

    Your first link to the PDF on Alzheimer's doesn't seem to work. Maybe it forgot where it is?
    Hmmm... That's weird. I've checked it multiple times and it's never failed, and always come up fast.

    Here's the "linkless" URL:

    Code:
    https://www.alz.org/media/cacentral/Dementia-Care-45-The-power-of-Ice-cream.pdf
    And here's an article that references it:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ice_cream.html

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Erm.

    Your first link to the PDF on Alzheimer's doesn't seem to work. Maybe it forgot where it is?
    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Hmmm... That's weird. I've checked it multiple times and it's never failed, and always come up fast.

    Here's the "linkless" URL:

    Code:
    https://www.alz.org/media/cacentral/Dementia-Care-45-The-power-of-Ice-cream.pdf
    And here's an article that references it:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ice_cream.html
    The link works for me too, and like kru-kut says, it opens up quite fast.
    Unless stated otherwise, I am NOT presenting my preferences.

    Preferences can be views, thoughts, opinions, philosophies, morals, values, ideology, imaginations, fantasies, fictions, god, soul, spirit...

    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Hmmm... That's weird. I've checked it multiple times and it's never failed, and always come up fast.

    Here's the "linkless" URL:

    Code:
    https://www.alz.org/media/cacentral/Dementia-Care-45-The-power-of-Ice-cream.pdf
    And here's an article that references it:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ice_cream.html
    I just tried it again with the same error:



    This is using Opera with the in-built VPN turned on.

    I tried the link using Firefox (no VPN) and no such problems.

    Seems like Opera’s VPN DNS database has a touch of Alzheimer’s itself!!!
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    Not sure if you know this, but Opera was sold to a Chinese conglomerate back in 2016. So, who knows what or where those VPNs are, or what info is being collected from them. That's assuming the VPNs actually do exist, vs some sort of masquerade as such.

    And apart from the VPN issue, there's also the possibility that buried in Opera's code is some cute little routine that forwards to some Chinese hack shop all kinds of juicy details re. sites you visit.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Not sure if you know this, but Opera was sold to a Chinese conglomerate back in 2016. So, who knows what or where those VPNs are, or what info is being collected from them. That's assuming the VPNs actually do exist, vs some sort of masquerade as such.

    And apart from the VPN issue, there's also the possibility that buried in Opera's code is some cute little routine that forwards to some Chinese hack shop all kinds of juicy details re. sites you visit.
    Much the same can be said about any VPN, although maybe not a direct link to China.

    If a nation decides to take an interest in my online postings there’s not a lot I can do about it. Yes I can use all the tricks like using VPN’s, different search engines, and the likes of the TOR network but to what end? Their experts are much more savvy than I’ll ever be and trying to avoid them may only serve to attract attention.

    I use the Opera VPN for 2 reasons:

    1. To hide my activity on this site not from TPTB but from my neighbours. I’m on a shared WiFi network.

    2. To access sites that are geo-blocked. Being a free VPN sometimes this doesn’t work but often it does.

    r.e. data collection; they’re ALL at it. The ONLY way to avoid it is to stop using the internet! Even then they have other ways to track you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Much the same can be said about any VPN, although maybe not a direct link to China.

    If a nation decides to take an interest in my online postings thereís not a lot I can do about it. Yes I can use all the tricks like using VPNís, different search engines, and the likes of the TOR network but to what end? Their experts are much more savvy than Iíll ever be and trying to avoid them may only serve to attract attention.

    I use the Opera VPN for 2 reasons:

    1. To hide my activity on this site not from TPTB but from my neighbours. Iím on a shared WiFi network.

    2. To access sites that are geo-blocked. Being a free VPN sometimes this doesnít work but often it does.

    r.e. data collection; theyíre ALL at it. The ONLY way to avoid it is to stop using the internet! Even then they have other ways to track you.
    That's how I feel about it as well. For one, I'm not doing anything illegal so I'm not that worried. I'm also not anyone important to begin with. If they wanted to track me, there isn't really much I can do about that. I don't really believe that using a VPN or duckduckgo.com is really masking me from big brother.

    With all that being said, it's not wise to talk about this stuff openly to the average normie. Ghosting in plain sight is the best course of action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    ....

    Biden had cookies and milk.
    I thought Biden had ice cream .....

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Fkn stuttering imbecile, he's embarrassment to the free world, and a danger to our safety and security!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Fkn stuttering imbecile, he's embarrassment to the free world, and a danger to our safety and security!
    I'm more embarrassed that the country allows blatant election fraud to go unpunished.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I'm more embarrassed that the country allows blatant election fraud to go unpunished.
    Only little people get punished, keeps the masses in line under any dictatorship, including ours..
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