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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

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    There are three things I can see keeping the people in check :

    1. Bread and Circus: To incentivize them to stay with the narrative.

    2. Frog Boiling: Keep the pain below their threshold at all times, but still reap the benefits over time.

    3. Controlled Opposition: Should some of them snap, give them some leader who promises great things, absolutely great things, while achieving only a small fraction, just enough to keep the hope alive.
    I may have an unpopular opinion on this but I don't really care if the majority of me wake up. Most men are not concerned with their freedom anyhow and someone has to keep the lights on. It's hard to do at times but there is always a silver-lining. Times right now can be very great for the single man who wants to pursue his own happiness.

    I realize this may sound like a contradiction of my original post. I'm still upset I don't have a country anymore but I know it's in vain to try to save everyone. Most men are not going (or willing) to be saved. That's just the harsh reality.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I may have an unpopular opinion on this but I don't really care if the majority of me wake up. Most men are not concerned with their freedom anyhow and someone has to keep the lights on. It's hard to do at times but there is always a silver-lining. Times right now can be very great for the single man who wants to pursue his own happiness.

    I realize this may sound like a contradiction of my original post. I'm still upset I don't have a country anymore but I know it's in vain to try to save everyone. Most men are not going (or willing) to be saved. That's just the harsh reality.
    I've been without functional civil order since July 18th 1997, turns out you can survive without a country, the real question is can the country survive without you, when you, like me, are the chink in their armor? When they fuck one citizen, they're fucking all the citizens! The only deterrent is making the prospects and ramifications unthinkable by sever consequences, like taking away their pensions and social security, but that's not how it is and the reason why we don't have a functioning country anymore. They're above the same law we're under therein creating a two tier citizenship.

    It's time to throw them off their balconies onto the concrete of penalty, or just let them overload the balcony and watch it collapse, kin to feeding the obese all grizzle and beer they can handle!
    Marriage, dating, divorce, and breakups, are on the rocky road of female empowerment, a road that goes nowhere else but misery and hardship.

    What if I told you there's another road, a road less traveled, a road straight and narrow, free of bandits, checkpoints, taxes, and tolls?

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I may have an unpopular opinion on this but I don't really care if the majority of me wake up. Most men are not concerned with their freedom anyhow and someone has to keep the lights on. It's hard to do at times but there is always a silver-lining. Times right now can be very great for the single man who wants to pursue his own happiness.

    I realize this may sound like a contradiction of my original post. I'm still upset I don't have a country anymore but I know it's in vain to try to save everyone. Most men are not going (or willing) to be saved. That's just the harsh reality.
    I can get what you are trying to say, and believe me, my sense of morality is only about me winning and not losing, its entirely what one can call selfishness. But there is shallow selfishness and there is smart selfishness. A smart selfish realizes that one cannot fight everyone alone.

    And this is why I do like to keep an eye on what is the popular opinion is and what they view as enemy and friendly. If everyone start to view me as enemy, I will be dead, I dont have capability to fight all of them at once. Yes, there are some situations which can be worse than dying, like dying painfully from side effects of a jab, but death itself is NOT winning, so I will be inclined to look for other alternatives.

    You just said you will move to another country. That is assuming that there will be a safe haven by the time you decide to move. This instability of social order is pretty much extended to whole world. Of course, there are places where its less and places where its more, and there are pockets where you can still find peace, say in some jungle or up some mountain, but the assumption still stands that you will be able to find such a place at THAT time.

    There is also assumption that by the time you realize you need to move, it might be too late to do that, atleast harder than what it is right now. The governments of all countries might have agreed on international vaxx passports. Or they might've gone to war with one another and there might be naval blockades, which means your choice of routes will be very limited.

    My point is, yes, I am with you on the fact that most men dont care about freedom or whatever, and I am actually okay with that. Its just that I want to be in the loop, about when they decide that they dont like me at all and want to get rid of me. And I'd also like to know which one of those may actually decide to fight with me, out of some sense of desperation or revenge or whatever. Because at that time, I'll take what I can get. Its not about saving them, its about saving me, by sharing the burden of fighting with other men who may end up having same enemies as me.
    Unless stated otherwise, I am NOT presenting my preferences.

    Preferences can be views, thoughts, opinions, philosophies, morals, values, ideology, imaginations, fantasies, fictions, god, soul, spirit...

    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I can get what you are trying to say, and believe me, my sense of morality is only about me winning and not losing, its entirely what one can call selfishness. But there is shallow selfishness and there is smart selfishness. A smart selfish realizes that one cannot fight everyone alone.
    I may of been unclear as to what I mean. I'm not against cooperating with like-minded people nor am I against watching for social trends that could harm me. What I mean is that there are those who are meant to serve. There are those men who are "broken horses" that do what they're told and that's it. They are your truck drivers, electricians, and all those who keep the lights on. We need men like those. (Also, no offense to those who may fill those occupations on this board.) Not everyone can be a man going his own way. Society would collapse. So I don't need every man to be saved for me to be happy. Yes it is selfish and I'm unapologetic about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    My point is, yes, I am with you on the fact that most men dont care about freedom or whatever, and I am actually okay with that. Its just that I want to be in the loop, about when they decide that they dont like me at all and want to get rid of me. And I'd also like to know which one of those may actually decide to fight with me, out of some sense of desperation or revenge or whatever. Because at that time, I'll take what I can get. Its not about saving them, its about saving me, by sharing the burden of fighting with other men who may end up having same enemies as me.
    I want to be in the loop as well. It is not practical to be completely aloof to what is going on.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    I am actually not blaming them. I am saying, one way to defeat a predator, is to let the prey die. Which means not being too kind...



    Your suggestion (of action) is a false and empty promise. Its like trump suing big corporations with a legal system which is all bought and paid.

    Yes, your intentions might be different, but effect just the same.
    I don't understand why it's a false and empty promise. Is it because it won't deliver - in your opinion?

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I don't understand why it's a false and empty promise. Is it because it won't deliver - in your opinion?
    Your method, from what I understand, is about being a local activist. In today's world that is sticking out your head and presenting yourself to some danger. Which means it has a cost, and some supposed benefit.

    But what are the costs and benefits ? It is already known that most of the people will see you as enemy, and that is assuming government totally ignores you (which they wont in some countries like China).

    It is also known that most of these people will not do anything which will cause inconvenience to them, let alone actually fighting. Try telling them to pull their children out from the schools to boycott not only masks and vaccines but also shitty education. Most of them will think it will damage their children's "job prospects" to follow through that, otherwise good, advice.

    On the other hand, the method I am following is known to work. People yield to sound reasoning when they are in pain. This is why people of old times used to form groups and lived as a society, instead of modern day's random dude believing whatever he wants, doing whatever he wants, individualism on steroids. Because he lives a better and more comfortable life than old kings and emperors.

    So my strategy is to wait till the average dude starts to live less like a king and more like a peasant in a war torn country. Until that happens, I will simply guard myself. If things never become that bad, if these "coincidence theorists" as you call them (nice term btw) turn out to be true, well then no harm done to me.

    And from pain I mean real physical pain either directly to them or to their loved ones. Before that, I am a ghost.

    Yes you are right, if all people shown certain traits, we would've never gotten to where we are. But all people are not like that. Like I always say, I have to make do with what I got.
    Unless stated otherwise, I am NOT presenting my preferences.

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    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I may of been unclear as to what I mean. I'm not against cooperating with like-minded people nor am I against watching for social trends that could harm me. What I mean is that there are those who are meant to serve. There are those men who are "broken horses" that do what they're told and that's it. They are your truck drivers, electricians, and all those who keep the lights on. We need men like those. (Also, no offense to those who may fill those occupations on this board.) Not everyone can be a man going his own way. Society would collapse. So I don't need every man to be saved for me to be happy. Yes it is selfish and I'm unapologetic about that.



    I want to be in the loop as well. It is not practical to be completely aloof to what is going on.
    I'm with you! War is hell, don't let the fallen troops rotting away in the trenches bother you, just move to another trench that's not full of bodies! I think BP and I are well acclimated to the rotten stench laden world we dwell in. Just step over the slaughtered and try not to slip the postmortem juices!

    I'm all heart, you can view my compassion, sympathy, and empathy with an electron microscope on full magnification, otherwise forget it!
    Marriage, dating, divorce, and breakups, are on the rocky road of female empowerment, a road that goes nowhere else but misery and hardship.

    What if I told you there's another road, a road less traveled, a road straight and narrow, free of bandits, checkpoints, taxes, and tolls?

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I may have an unpopular opinion on this but I don't really care if the majority of me wake up. Most men are not concerned with their freedom anyhow and someone has to keep the lights on. It's hard to do at times but there is always a silver-lining. Times right now can be very great for the single man who wants to pursue his own happiness.

    I realize this may sound like a contradiction of my original post. I'm still upset I don't have a country anymore but I know it's in vain to try to save everyone. Most men are not going (or willing) to be saved. That's just the harsh reality.
    I think each person should do what makes them happy in life, however that may look to someone else. Ultimately it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Only you, and God, if you believe in Him.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I think each person should do what makes them happy in life, however that may look to someone else. Ultimately it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Only you, and God, if you believe in Him.
    If that were true, I'd be gleefully laughing whiles covered in the opposition's blood!
    Marriage, dating, divorce, and breakups, are on the rocky road of female empowerment, a road that goes nowhere else but misery and hardship.

    What if I told you there's another road, a road less traveled, a road straight and narrow, free of bandits, checkpoints, taxes, and tolls?

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    My sovereignty has always been myself.

    It is a lonely path but a path that is true to myself. I know what I stand for and which direction I am going. Indeed a ghostly life.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I think each person should do what makes them happy in life, however that may look to someone else. Ultimately it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Only you, and God, if you believe in Him.
    Quite true. I know I used to care what others think. Still do to a point but that list of people is very small.

    As far as believing in God...I do personally because I know I would not be alive now if it wasn't for Him.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    My sovereignty has always been myself.

    It is a lonely path but a path that is true to myself. I know what I stand for and which direction I am going. Indeed a ghostly life.
    I see nothing wrong with that. I know that I prefer a solitary life as well. Most people are usually a burden that I don't want to deal with.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7 View Post
    .... but just wait until the 2022 elections when the Republicans reclaim congress and in 2024, when Trump (I hope he runs) regains his presidency.......
    Hate to say it, but if they stole the presidency in 2020 (and they did), I'm not sure what's to stop them from stealing elections going forward..... I'm increasingly of the mind that we can't look to politics to solve our problems/concerns. Thus, GYOW is the best solution.....

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    ...... I'm convinced this is why the current U.S. administration is printing (and handing out) so much fake money. It lessens the currency's value......
    Yes, they are purposefully causing inflation (while denying that they are), but the point is to "inflate away the debt" as much as possible. The basic idea is to get the inflation rate above the Treasury bond interest rate.....Thus, the absolute $ value of the debt is diminished, once the dollar becomes worth less.....

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    Hate to say it, but if they stole the presidency in 2020 (and they did), I'm not sure what's to stop them from stealing elections going forward..... I'm increasingly of the mind that we can't look to politics to solve our problems/concerns. Thus, GYOW is the best solution.....
    You can't rely on national politics to (maybe) go your way. The only freedom you are going to get is what you take for yourself. If you must participate in politics, try to affect your county elections. If you don't live where your values align, you need to move.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    ...... One of the reasons why I believe TFM is controlled opposition. ....
    Were you the one that thinks that Stardusk/Thinking Ape is controlled opposition? I don't see how you can argue that TFM is controlled opposition.....he's been booted off of platform after platform.

    Isn't the point of controlled opposition to stay in the mainstream discourse?

    And, I would have to ask -- controlled by whom?

    I don't buy the contention in either case, but especially not in the case of TFM.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    ...I mean there is no point trying to speak truths to people who are not ready to hear it yet. I was a member of some other online forums as well and you can't even mention a semblance of truth to most people. So why bother trying to save those who don't wish it.
    QFT (quoted for truth)

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    Indeed, I had a guy tell me a while back, after last November, that he doesn't bother with voting in national elections. He probably doesn't bother with state-level elections. He said, if it involves money/taxes on a local-city-county level, then he will vote, but everything else is a waste of time. I'm inclined to agree with him.

    {this is in reply to Bonobo's point about voting}

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    With regard to the "jab" and being able to go to grocery stores.....since the "pandemic" began, I've been using Shipt for grocery store shopping and delivery. There's Instacart as well, and others.

    Yes, I know, it's the principle of the thing, and I'm as opposed to the "jab" fascism as much as anyone.....

    Just saying, that while Shipt may increase my grocery bill (as opposed to me going there), it's so worth it not to have to deal with the grocery store anymore. I recommend it to anyone that can afford it, and has it available in their area. It's a very GYOW service....

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Faramir View Post
    With regard to the "jab" and being able to go to grocery stores.....since the "pandemic" began, I've been using Shipt for grocery store shopping and delivery. There's Instacart as well, and others.
    When someone talks about jab and grocery store, atleast when I do, I usually mean any method by which government pins you into a corner. Get a jab or die. At that point, the government already gave me a death sentence, and essentially become an explicit enemy, and I will have no incentive to abide by any laws.

    And of course, government is a lot bigger and stronger, which means SHTF, big time.

    Unlikely to happen in my country, atleast not in near future, but the concept still holds.
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    I am using scientific method, its an algorithmic computation, designed to give highest efficiency and chance to win in a conflict, at a very high cost of mental discomfort of not adhering to preferences and spending time and energy on the computation.


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