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    Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    So I was listening to the Turd Flinging Monkey show this last evening and something he said hit me hard. He pointed out in America that if you believe in freedom, you don't have a country anymore. He also stated that since you don't have a country, there's no point in trying to preserve anything about it.

    The Marxists have already won in America and are wearing the rotting corpse of the country. They are playing this once great nation like a marionette. There is no point in even trying to defend it. The original values the founding fathers brought with them no longer exist.

    Fighting for a people that hate you and for a country that hates you is a complete waste of time. All that can be done is focusing on one's self and protecting your own. That's it.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    So I was listening to the Turd Flinging Monkey show this last evening and something he said hit me hard. He pointed out in America that if you believe in freedom, you don't have a country anymore. He also stated that since you don't have a country, there's no point in trying to preserve anything about it.

    The Marxists have already won in America and are wearing the rotting corpse of the country. They are playing this once great nation like a marionette. There is no point in even trying to defend it. The original values the founding fathers brought with them no longer exist.

    Fighting for a people that hate you and for a country that hates you is a complete waste of time. All that can be done is focusing on one's self and protecting your own. That's it.
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    FKN-A brother! FKN-A!
    Now you know where my head's been at for 25 years!!!!! A big FUCK THAT LIE!
    Well I've been thinking about it a lot. Something more I wanted to add is this original post also includes those from all western countries and not just America. I just say America because that's where I live. I truly sympathize for my brothers in Europe, Asia, and any other continent that has pockets of people with freedom-loving ideals.
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    I agree with BP. On the other hand, I do see sparks of life from the masses as they're starting to realize that Marxism (unelected, corrupt people running a country or state primarily by fiat) ain't quite what it's cut out to be. It's beginning to hit them in their daily lives.

    Also, we're seeing some new, potential FEMALE political superstars on the scene. I mean females who are on the correct side of things, not at all like those horrible RINOs like Murkowski and Collins. And these new female faces aren't shrinking violets by a long shot. They're young and energetic and they have great don't-give-a-shit-what-MSN-thinks-about-me attitudes. I think that's huge.

    Our country was founded on Christian morality (Bible -> Magna Carta -> English common law -> American law). That chain is broken forever because there's no way this country will ever repent in sackcloth and ashes. It has too much pride, too much unmerited self-love. What will take the place of Christian truths of right and wrong is this: Sooner or later, people will simply have had enough and will begin to express their frustrations en masse. There won't be any moral driving force behind that energy, the way it was at the outset. It will be nothing deeper than, "Okay... Enough of this shit."

    Today, those people are asleep. They may, collectively, have a vague sense of what's coming, but the realities haven't hit them yet. Give it time. When the average Joe or Jane can no longer afford to pay the rent, or to replace the family car with even the lowest piece of rusted-out shit that barely runs, or to go out to eat like he used to, or to buy anything but bread, milk, and Beefaroni (forget about "'shopping the perimeter" -- those days are gone), we're going to see quite the show develop.

    Yeah, so... Have beer & popcorn ready. It's going to be something to watch for sure. And above all, don't get frustrated. Stupidity reaps its own punishments, eventually. In other words, the people who are fighting so hard for the wrong things today are going to reap exactly that in the future. You think we've got a homeless problem today? Hah. Just hide and watch.

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    I'm not in America and it has been years since the last real visit, my views are of the western countries as a whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Sooner or later, people will simply have had enough and will begin to express their frustrations en masse. There won't be any moral driving force behind that energy, the way it was at the outset. It will be nothing deeper than, "Okay... Enough of this shit."
    I agree something has to happen or change. It will not be a "Turn back time" thing, it's way to late for that to happen if it was ever possible. We are way too far down the road to ruin to trace our steps back...

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Stupidity reaps its own punishments, eventually. In other words, the people who are fighting so hard for the wrong things today are going to reap exactly that in the future.
    I agree, the sad part is people don't like to accountable for their own actions. When reaping the "rewards" later they will blame it on anyone or anything else for the failures they are dealing with.

    I see a large change in the last 10yrs towards self centeredness? More the attitude "What's in it for me?" and "My needs are more important than yours!" There use to be a time when if you were into a project a mate would just show up to help and you would do the same for him. Now it's more of a one way street, you helping them.... In times gone by, if you had something and not using it, someone else wanted it, you did a trade or gave it up for a case of beer etc. now it's more "I want more than new price, and those scratches will buff out where I misused it". I even see this in local business, if they don't get the whole job or sale, they want no part of it and will just turn you away, thinking they have you cornered (turn down a $100 sale because they didn't get a $2k job). In the past there was always consideration for the greater good or the betterment of the country or community. Now the attitude I see is, "I'm special and I demand everyone to cater to me" I can give hundreds of examples of this and I am sure you can also.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by kru-kut View Post
    Our country was founded on Christian morality (Bible -> Magna Carta -> English common law -> American law).
    From what I know by following the work of some people who research in this area, it goes even furthur back, even before Grecko-Roman period. It goes back to proto IE expansion, somewhat at the start of Bronze Age. The core component which is inherited from IE people, is the concept of militarized civilians (a militia) playing critical role in the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I truly sympathize for my brothers in Europe, Asia, and any other continent that has pockets of people with freedom-loving ideals.
    The problem with freedom loving crowd (most of them) is that they assume that they are entitled to it. Nobody is entitled to anything by the nature, be it freedom or food. Freedom has to be acquired, asserted and maintained by having a means/presence of militaristic force by the people themselves: militia. The Americans got the concept much better than many others in the world, but even many of them dont fully understand that being a militarized civilian is NOT a RIGHT, its a DUTY.

    Because fighting for freedom is a requirement to maintain it, just like fighting for food is a requirement to keep getting food. The animals fight for food, the humans fight for food (working jobs, etc). Its not optional, just like food is not optional. You give up fighting for food, you die. And in the same vein, you give up fighting for freedom, you eventually lose it. May take more than one generation, but its going to happen, and this is exactly what is happening with Americans.

    Yes some of them have arms, and yes some of them actually know how to use them properly and are physically fit and trained to do so. But others, they took it for granted, that is, some kind of entitlement or right, because a parchment of paper few centuries ago mentioned it. The enemies dont give a crap about that at all. Its the job of the militia to MAKE THEM give a crap, just like the people who wrote that parchment, did to their enemies.

    There are of course many other factors are play. The founding fathers couldnt envision an era of mass media as we have today. Today a war can be waged entirely on propaganda level, as kru-kut described in another thread. To properly fight that war, one must understand how to recognize it, that is, to understand to determine when there is a war waged upon them. They need to be able to properly differentiate between a group of people genuinely criticizing a problem with the society/law vs a group of people undermining the society by creating false propaganda.

    And this requires some expansions in our understanding of Natural Law. The natural law as understood by men, actually just people of European descent. Other peoples dont really follow natural law. The middle east is based on religion first. The far east is based on state/empire first. The indians were originally some mixture of religion and law, probably because some of us descended from IE raiders who came in during IE expansion and settled here, but eventually religion took over.

    The Natural Law simply exists. You can say its given by gods, or you can say it merely reflects the laws of reality. Doesnt matter how you see it, the point is that its not about what gets written on a piece of paper or ruled by a corrupt politician or allowed by an activist judge. It simply exists. Those who are aware of our current understandings of natural law, are very well aware of the concept of militia and freedom, but our understanding is very limited in dealing with soft warfare. And this is the feminine method of warfare. Women do it. The non-european people know how to do it. And this is the blind spot, which needs to be fixed... fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    our understanding is very limited in dealing with soft warfare. And this is the feminine method of warfare. Women do it. The non-european people know how to do it. And this is the blind spot, which needs to be fixed... fast.
    Yes, this hit home. And this is why we are MGTOW, the only/easiest way for us to fight is to go our own way and not fight.

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    Yes, this hit home. And this is why we are MGTOW, the only/easiest way for us to fight is to go our own way and not fight.

    PS: Good post, Thanks.
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    I agree with much of this thread, in fact I had a rant about it recently here.

    Marxism / communism does indeed seem to winning out. We all see it. Bonobo, you mention the U.S., I see it very clearly here in Ireland, sirreaper (TVOR) recently mentioned it about Canada in the 4th July roundtable.

    I’m beginning to think that this is almost inevitable in any nation that tries to operate under the banner of “a free and democratic society”:

    Over time in a free market you get a greater disparity between the haves and the have nots. I would go into the reasons behind this as I see them, but that probably requires a thread or two on its own.

    Many, if not most of the have nots feel powerless and so look to others to “fix” it for them. It is only a few small steps from here to giving government total control of everything.

    And so they begin to vote for people that will give them the illusion of lessening this disparity. There are far more have nots than haves, even within our so-called middle classes.

    Enter socialism, the great battle cry of the masses, this time through the mask of democracy. But the word socialism is a lie. It is just a euphemism for communism.

    What those voting in this way don’t seem to realise is that socialism doesn’t increase freedoms it lessens them. Producers are less motivated to produce; therefore there is less to buy. Builders are less motivated to build so infrastructure declines. Socialism doesn’t raise the masses, it destroys the motivations of those that provide those things that we seek.

    It MAY lessen the divide (also debateable), but if so it does this not by raising the poor but by bringing down the rest. We see this very clearly in the declining comforts of the middle classes.

    Social media has been a great catalyst in this which is why I think we see it happening worldwide at great speed, but it is not the root cause.

    And yes, I'm long past giving a rats ass about those that think it's a good idea.



    Lastly, a question to rkspsm: What is IE in terms of IE expansion? I tried googling but nothing seems to fit. A lot of it was to do with Ireland as .IE is our domain name extension.

    Something about Europe? Indigenous European maybe?

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by RustyNuts View Post
    Yes, this hit home. And this is why we are MGTOW, the only/easiest way for us to fight is to go our own way and not fight.

    PS: Good post, Thanks.
    Yes, unless you are part of some militia which has some plan and have some way to determine that its not inflitrated (which is VERY VERY unlikely), MGTOW is by far the best and most efficient strategy.

    But, even then we indirectly DO rely on the state, somewhat. I mean I rely on police to ensure that a crowd of "have-nots" as Jackoff calls them, dont just run into my house and take my things. If in a hypothetical situation, government and society decides that police need not worry about mgtows, I'll be in trouble.

    And in some countries it was indeed a kind of punishment in the past. A person, or sometimes even an entire family, were given the punishment of "declared outlaws". Which meant that government isnt administering any direct punishment, but simply declaring that the protections of laws dont apply to that person or family, and for other people, its an "open season" on them. They can be hunted or killed like an animal, with no repercussions, atleast not from law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Lastly, a question to rkspsm: What is IE in terms of IE expansion?
    Indo-Europeans, sometimes also called Indo-Aryans, or simply Aryans. An extremely militarized and technologically advanced tribe of their time, who started from their origins somewhere around modern Ukraine, and expanded from Europe to India. From bits and pieces I know (its a detailed subject), the Europeans within the Hajnal Line show the highest concentrations of IE genes, much higher than, say Indians. The best known explanation is that by the time they reached India, they were already a mixture of IE and Iranian genes, sometimes also known as Indo-Iranians as opposed to Indo-Aryans. Do note that the expansion didnt happen as some kind of blitzkrieg war, it happened over many centuries, by constant little fights and raids.

    They were very aggressive and hostile to indigenous tribes. They used to kill all the men and take all the women. Out of four European tribes from pre aryan times, only the genetic material of three of them are found in modern Europeans, suggesting the fourth one (known from their remains) were completely eliminated.

    The highest population of natives surviving the Aryan onslaught, are Indians, because India had HUGE population, so when they came here, they simply couldnt do what they did to others. So they settled in along with the natives, and installed themselves as upper-caste, whereas the natives were assigned as lower-castes. If you see the Indian scriptures from the past, there are very strict marriage rules when it comes to inter-caste. A man from higher caste can marry women from his equal or lower castes, but not up, whereas a woman can marry someone her equal caste or above, but not below. The Aryans (or Indo-Iranians more appropriately) imagined that over generations they will be able to eliminate the lower castes. Though it worked like that only for a short while.

    To this day, the upper castes of north India, have distinct genetic makeup compared to lower castes of north India, or most of south India. Sometimes the difference is so extreme, that it takes a form of racial hostility.

    Other than all that, there are some other things which I personally find fascinating about them. One peculiar thing is their perception and relationship with the gods. The religions of later eras, like Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc, put gods ABOVE the humans, as in, humans being subservient to gods. The far eastern people (Chinese, Han, etc), strive to maintain harmony with the gods.

    The IE people, on the other hand, saw gods as their enemy, someone to trick or defeat. Its apparent from their folk tales, like blacksmith and the demon, Prometheus stealing fire, the tale of Beowulf etc. In all those tales, the man fights with the gods, and tricks them or steals from them their power. They saw everything else, whether its other tribes or the gods/nature themselves, as something to be conquered. It manifested itself in many pagan religions of pre-Christian Europe.

    So its hypothesized, that the culture of militia, or the warrior civilian, and the warrior class being the ruling class (as opposed to priests or merchants in other parts of the world), is an IE tradition, which Europe, and subsequently US, inherited.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    I live outside of Chicago, Illinois, but I still have faith in the American people. I believe that true American-loving people will revolt against the Marxist/communist groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter and the Democrat party and take our nation back. America is just going through a downtime because those groups above are in power, but just wait until the 2022 elections when the Republicans reclaim congress and in 2024, when Trump (I hope he runs) regains his presidency. Until then, we're just going to have to go through some rough times.

    The Democrat party is the party of: hate, evil, oppression, woke/cancel culture, open boarders, high taxes and mass spending, poverty, tyrants, and unhappiness; while the Republican party represents: low taxes, small government, controlled boarders, police security, and freedom. The Republican party may not be perfect, but it's the best party this country has, considering you look at the other side.
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    Add inflation to that mix, and it acts as a supercharger to push even more middle-classers down into the poverty zone than socialism alone ever could. I'm convinced this is why the current U.S. administration is printing (and handing out) so much fake money. It lessens the currency's value. This impoverishes the country's citizens, forcing increasing numbers of them to rely on government support over time. Next election cycle, of course those people will vote for the people who are giving them those handouts, because the alternative would be even worse: working for wages that aren't nearly enough to pay for food and shelter and mobility, all of which are steadily increasing in cost. (That's assuming jobs are even available in an economy that's fallen into such a decayed, unstable condition.)

    What's funny, in a warped sort of way, is how few people understand that in just a few months the U.S. will no longer be able to service its own debt. That's how far we've extended our credit goodwill and devalued our own currency. I'm not talking about the country paying off its debt; I'm talking about the country not being able to pay even the interest on the debt. That is a very, very bad spot to be in, because at that point the country is officially bankrupt, and the lenders can simply come in and take things in lieu of payment. Like factories. Stores. Oil rigs. Entire cities. And that, folks, is the Silent Invasion.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by ResidentEvil7 View Post
    I live outside of Chicago, Illinois, but I still have faith in the American people. I believe that true American-loving people will revolt against the Marxist/communist groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter and the Democrat party and take our nation back. America is just going through a downtime because those groups above are in power, but just wait until the 2022 elections when the Republicans reclaim congress and in 2024, when Trump (I hope he runs) regains his presidency. Until then, we're just going to have to go through some rough times.

    The Democrat party is the party of: hate, evil, oppression, woke/cancel culture, open boarders, high taxes and mass spending, poverty, tyrants, and unhappiness; while the Republican party represents: low taxes, small government, controlled boarders, police security, and freedom. The Republican party may not be perfect, but it's the best party this country has, considering you look at the other side.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    So I was listening to the Turd Flinging Monkey show this last evening and something he said hit me hard. He pointed out in America that if you believe in freedom, you don't have a country anymore. He also stated that since you don't have a country, there's no point in trying to preserve anything about it.
    This gives mixed messages. One of the reasons why I believe TFM is controlled opposition. 'They' want you to hate your country and not see it as worth preserving. Because that makes it much easier to achieve 'their' goals. But you need to think on a different level to see what's being done here. Which is that you are taking orders from someone else, be it THEM or TFM, or the latest popular YouTuber.
    What about what YOU think? I suspect that deep down you would rather uphold what is good and fight for that. Not saying go out there protesting or being a SJW, or whatever. Those are actually sub-optimal and more likely futile strategies for victory. I mean on a deeper level, where you go against everything that is being done to us in any way you can. Like not wearing a mask. Like sharing facts that prove Convid is a scam. Like being true to yourself and being an example.
    When you dwell mostly online you are not going to witness the best of humanity. You might have to open yourself to your community to find real people that agree with you on many things. Believe me, they exist.
    Also 'countries' is a red herring. Who cares about 'countries' now. This is just divide and rule shit. You are buying into this false dichotomy of national pride.. which is essential for men to go to pointless stupid wars. The war now is not to save a 'country', it's not between 'countries' - it is quite simply between good and evil. The former of which there are in every country, these people are on your side. So you don't need to fight to 'save your country'. You need to fight to not let evil win. And if we succeed then countries will be fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    The Marxists have already won in America and are wearing the rotting corpse of the country. They are playing this once great nation like a marionette. There is no point in even trying to defend it. The original values the founding fathers brought with them no longer exist.

    Fighting for a people that hate you and for a country that hates you is a complete waste of time. All that can be done is focusing on one's self and protecting your own. That's it.
    This supports my above statement. But notice our job in this war is not simply to protect. It's to promote good. Otherwise you're complicit in the rise of evil.

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    I see these times as a natural part of a cycle.

    People grew soft by have little to no challenges, and are so protected as to beleive utopian concepts.
    Also there is purpose missing. A man striving to keep his family alive has a purpose, a man defending his people has a purpose, a country resisting external aggression has a purpose.
    Abundance, peace and confort has destroyed the human soul. People find no meaning in materialism or these emotional pseudo-intelectual platitudes of today.

    So, I welcome the marxists, the destroyers, the economic disasters and *real* plagues. It might just be what is necessary to keep human spirit alive. Or else we will end up in idiocracy or something alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    This gives mixed messages. One of the reasons why I believe TFM is controlled opposition. 'They' want you to hate your country and not see it as worth preserving. Because that makes it much easier to achieve 'their' goals. But you need to think on a different level to see what's being done here. Which is that you are taking orders from someone else, be it THEM or TFM, or the latest popular YouTuber.
    Hi happy bachelor. I see what you're saying and I'm so jaded now, nothing surprises me. If it came out that TFM is controlled opposition, I wouldn't be surprised. With that being said, he comes off as genuine to me as I don't think he has much to gain by lying about what he says. I take what he says (and anyone else) with a grain of salt anyhow. You just never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    about what YOU think? I suspect that deep down you would rather uphold what is good and fight for that. Not saying go out there protesting or being a SJW, or whatever. Those are actually sub-optimal and more likely futile strategies for victory. I mean on a deeper level, where you go against everything that is being done to us in any way you can. Like not wearing a mask. Like sharing facts that prove Convid is a scam. Like being true to yourself and being an example.
    I just wish that there was something I could do that would actually change things and I don't think there is. All I try to do is focus on myself and my own. I've given up trying to "save the herd". They aren't meant to be saved and it's far too late for such things anyhow. It is nice to come on this site though and vent. I can't do that on any other sites it seems.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    I hear you brother. TFM is definitely appealing, he seems to have an incredibly lucid mind with regards to the social landscape. He's right about many things.

    But looking at the bigger picture, what is ultimately the effect of watching someone like TFM? For me, it was despondency, nihilism, hatred. The very things the powers that be want you to feel.

    Okay, these things might be useful in a sense. A scorched earth mentality can give you the fortitude to separate from the herd.

    But here's the problem, it's always a separation due to hate. There's nothing wrong with separating, I would encourage it in fact because if you are a thinker, which you clearly are, you NEED to separate spiritually from the world at large. But don't let wanting the world to burn be your reason.

    The best thing I have done is find like minded people. And they exist everywhere, believe me. The problem is people exist online now, your perceptions are set by what you see online and that leads you to not engage with the real world. When you engage in the real world, being true to yourself, you will find men AND women who agree with everything you think about the world. Yes, even women (even if they are all AWALTS!).

    I will tell you how this happened for me. I went and sat in town with a sign saying COVID = LIE, with some signatures on. I have been a few times now and the signatures are growing. I have had people stop and chat for ages, and from this I have been put in touch with local people, groups and communities who are completely on board with people like us, which is to say they can see we are under attack and shit is getting real. Before I went out with my sign, I never knew these people existed in my local community.

    I do believe you can change things, in your own small way. That is spreading truth and awareness. Just because it feels like a tiny and thus pointless contribution, IT IS NOT POINTLESS because it helps the spread. And that is all we can do, accepting the war may not be won overnight. It may take years. Ultimately it's up to you what you DO with your life. But I chose to ACT in this small way because it feels RIGHT to me. The CHOICE was between watching TFM and the like and saying FUCK THE WORLD and just being a complete lone wolf and battening down my hatches.... and going out there being real and finding others who are the same, choosing not to assume that we can never win. Because shit is getting so real now I can sense we are reaching the point where I will have nothing left to lose. I HAVE TO BELIEVE WE CAN WIN, IT IS ALL WE HAVE GOT. And I would rather stand against these bastards then let my life be slowly taken away anyway. It's no way to live, for me.

    Give me liberty, or give me death!!

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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    wanting the world to burn
    If you do activism of any kind, big or small, and you are mostly on your own, then there is one thing only a burning world can give you, but not the "about to burn" world... and that is men willing to fight and die by you.

    You see, for now all you will get is signatures, maybe some pictures, maybe some tweets and some know-how of the local people in the community. Thats good, it might be useful to know these people when the world actually comes to burning. And some of these people will know that you are the guy to approach if they want to fight and die.

    What pisses me off about this is two things, one minor and another major.

    Minor issue first, what you are doing can be easily countered in two ways. If you are in a country where the political system has a very direct power (China, Russia, many Islamic countries, etc), the government can just epstein you, and sometimes (maybe in China), they can just shoot you on the spot and nobody will even squeal. Depends on how strong the gov has grips on the society. And the other counter is classic FUD. For someone who doesnt know you, you might very well be a trap. A controlled opposition. Very very few people understand how to work with certainty when everything you know is uncertain, and even fewer will be able to confidently do it under stressful situations (because they have done it before).

    Now comes the major issue and THIS really pisses me off, this is where I get somewhat "villain"ish in comic-book sense, that is somewhat wanting and waiting the burning to begin. And that is, the crowd is too stupid to realize, that the earlier they act, the easier is to solve the problem. Easier than tomorrow is to act today. Easier than today was to act few decades ago. Easier than that was a century or two ago. But no. People want to "LIVE" their lives and not solve the problem of the wolves lurking right around the corner. So yeah, if they dont care, then I dont care. I will just save myself. If one STILL cant or doesnt understand somewhat how the world is running, his/her head is several miles deep into the fkn sand. Might as well take rest of the body there too.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by happybachelor View Post
    I hear you brother. TFM is definitely appealing, he seems to have an incredibly lucid mind with regards to the social landscape. He's right about many things.

    But looking at the bigger picture, what is ultimately the effect of watching someone like TFM? For me, it was despondency, nihilism, hatred. The very things the powers that be want you to feel.

    Okay, these things might be useful in a sense. A scorched earth mentality can give you the fortitude to separate from the herd.

    But here's the problem, it's always a separation due to hate. There's nothing wrong with separating, I would encourage it in fact because if you are a thinker, which you clearly are, you NEED to separate spiritually from the world at large. But don't let wanting the world to burn be your reason.

    The best thing I have done is find like minded people. And they exist everywhere, believe me. The problem is people exist online now, your perceptions are set by what you see online and that leads you to not engage with the real world. When you engage in the real world, being true to yourself, you will find men AND women who agree with everything you think about the world. Yes, even women (even if they are all AWALTS!).

    I will tell you how this happened for me. I went and sat in town with a sign saying COVID = LIE, with some signatures on. I have been a few times now and the signatures are growing. I have had people stop and chat for ages, and from this I have been put in touch with local people, groups and communities who are completely on board with people like us, which is to say they can see we are under attack and shit is getting real. Before I went out with my sign, I never knew these people existed in my local community.

    I do believe you can change things, in your own small way. That is spreading truth and awareness. Just because it feels like a tiny and thus pointless contribution, IT IS NOT POINTLESS because it helps the spread. And that is all we can do, accepting the war may not be won overnight. It may take years. Ultimately it's up to you what you DO with your life. But I chose to ACT in this small way because it feels RIGHT to me. The CHOICE was between watching TFM and the like and saying FUCK THE WORLD and just being a complete lone wolf and battening down my hatches.... and going out there being real and finding others who are the same, choosing not to assume that we can never win. Because shit is getting so real now I can sense we are reaching the point where I will have nothing left to lose. I HAVE TO BELIEVE WE CAN WIN, IT IS ALL WE HAVE GOT. And I would rather stand against these bastards then let my life be slowly taken away anyway. It's no way to live, for me.

    Give me liberty, or give me death!!
    Thanks again for the lengthy and well thought out response. I do appreciate it. There aren't really any easy answers it seems.

    Yeah I don't want to fall in the trap of nihilism either. That is no good for anyone and there is really no point even trying anymore if that is the chip on your shoulder. I do know the trappings of that thought process are easy to fall into.

    As far as TFM is concerned, I have been listening to him for quite a while. I think with him or anyone for that matter, it's best to pick out the good advice and ignore the rest. If something doesn't ring true to you, reflect on it and decide for yourself. If TFM ever changes course and turns into some giant SJW shill, I will stop listening to him as well. He had a cohost on his show called DDJ for the longest time and he was great at first. Then he did a complete 180 and turned out to be false. I DON'T TRUST ANYBODY ONLINE. You just can't.

    You spouted a lot of good wisdom in your post so know I will mediate on what you said.
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    Re: Accepting That You Don't Have a Country Anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    If you do activism of any kind, big or small, and you are mostly on your own, then there is one thing only a burning world can give you, but not the "about to burn" world... and that is men willing to fight and die by you.

    You see, for now all you will get is signatures, maybe some pictures, maybe some tweets and some know-how of the local people in the community. Thats good, it might be useful to know these people when the world actually comes to burning. And some of these people will know that you are the guy to approach if they want to fight and die.

    What pisses me off about this is two things, one minor and another major.

    Minor issue first, what you are doing can be easily countered in two ways. If you are in a country where the political system has a very direct power (China, Russia, many Islamic countries, etc), the government can just epstein you, and sometimes (maybe in China), they can just shoot you on the spot and nobody will even squeal. Depends on how strong the gov has grips on the society. And the other counter is classic FUD. For someone who doesnt know you, you might very well be a trap. A controlled opposition. Very very few people understand how to work with certainty when everything you know is uncertain, and even fewer will be able to confidently do it under stressful situations (because they have done it before).

    Now comes the major issue and THIS really pisses me off, this is where I get somewhat "villain"ish in comic-book sense, that is somewhat wanting and waiting the burning to begin. And that is, the crowd is too stupid to realize, that the earlier they act, the easier is to solve the problem. Easier than tomorrow is to act today. Easier than today was to act few decades ago. Easier than that was a century or two ago. But no. People want to "LIVE" their lives and not solve the problem of the wolves lurking right around the corner. So yeah, if they dont care, then I dont care. I will just save myself. If one STILL cant or doesnt understand somewhat how the world is running, his/her head is several miles deep into the fkn sand. Might as well take rest of the body there too.
    Great points as well. These people that advocate for "very extreme measures" are usually FBI plants. To all those lurking, I OR NO ONE HERE IS ADVOCATING ANYTHING ILLEGAL. Please go and honeypot elsewhere as we're not what you're looking for.

    It's the people themselves that are the problem quite frankly. I've said this numerous times. I am not going to stick my neck out for those that don't want to be saved. If you try to help these people, they will try to sabotage you.
    In the future there will be robots.


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