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    Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    I'm from the mgtow.com migration. I've been mgtow monk (real mgtow imo) since 2013. I feel like the Stardusk Compilation and Barbarossa content are VITAL to understanding MGTOW. I strongly believe marriage and dating is not mghowesque. Knowing the path/truth and walking it are two different things. If you want to bang chicks and carry on with relationships, fine, but understanding some evolutionary psychology about women doesn't mean you're cool and 'in the club.' You're not, you're a Pick Up Artist style philanderer, not unlike any other typical male in the 21st century looking to score. Sorry, I'm not trying to pick on guys but MGTOW can't be watered down as a term just so you can know about mgtow and still feel cool while you change absolutely nothing about your life. Real MGTOW are different. That is my opinion. There are exceptions, just not many.

    In 2013 I found mgtow after some single mom and a few other sluts confirmed for me, at age 27, that the juice aint worth the squeeze. They stole my love and labor! Let me repeat, they STOLE my LOVE! They stole my time and my money. My emotional well-being. They HURT me! I was a good mate, not some trash.

    Anyway, I went mgtow monk for 5 years. (I call it monk even though MGTOW 'classic' is the only mgtow anyway, monk by default, celibate by definition, no oath). Incels & TFL don't exist that is all ignorant trash trying to explain pre-mgtow states of mind. Socalled 'Incel' and 'TFL' are merely men on journeys of understanding, some have learned, some are still learning. Some are testing. The terms themselves are BUNK but that is another thread.

    For five years I totally ignored women and did not ever have relations with them or care at all. This time was akin to a personal Renaissance in my life. Much was accomplished and personal growth was tremendous. Now I'm 32 and I've come out of my MONK standards and Iam actively studying prospective mates again. I'm not "going my own way" currently, I'm humble enough and respect MGTOW enough to admit that. I'm sort of patrolling and looking for an insertion like a SPY in cold war, I'm going to infiltrate some poon.

    5 years is a long time to go without any sex. I'm 32 so I'm ready to pounce. After I conduct my research and fulfil my mission of getting a$$, I will be back in my MGTOW MONK armor for another long term stint. Nothing has changed, AWALT! Infact, recent experiences are only confirming AWALT more and more for me. Even post wall women with hysterectomies are pretentious idiots who waste your time. Briffaults Law gentlemen, follow it. I refuse to use hookers/escorts but I'm essentially paying anyway. Soon I will be fed up with trying to get sex and just go back to monk-style. Its a waste of time. All women play you and steal your love.

    There are benefits to exploring love again. You have a certain amount of new endorphins that flood your system again. Inspiration is certainly positive. You get really amped at the possibility of sex and the affection and warmth of a woman. But as we know, those elated feelings can quickly descend like a roller coaster into hell and you will feel the worst parts of experience again. Its not worth it but I've been playing the game again, these last 2 weeks, ready to give up and go back in for another 5 years monk campaign.

    thanks for the warm welcome. LONG LIVE MGTOW!

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    Welcome to our new home! Glad you made it.

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    Hello GP

    welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy the stay at GYOW.
    All the best
    "MGTOW is an extreme measure to an extreme situation"
    Quote Insidious Sid: "Some men are so MGTOW they're not even MGTOW".
    Quote Life is what you make of it "Marriage is the only war where you sleep with the enemy."

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    I knew it! Black people love Burger King! lmao, you know I'm only kidding. That advert is funny hell

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    Glad to see you Gravel! I'm getting a couple motorcycles airlifted in. The back roads here remind me of the Isle of Man TT races!
    Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    Welcome aboard Gravel Pit.
    Glad you made it.

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    It's fine May 7th. I'm not exactly a big macho guy. I have a big soft spot for love, emotion and affection. The Red Pill Rage runs deeper in me than I thought. Even after many years, I'm still finding I'm not past it.

    Consider that I'm mgtow monk, purely for having had a few relationships go south. It didn't take much to make me quit women, I'm that emotional I guess. Those relationships never produced offspring or resulted in marriage. The longest relationship I ever had was six months. I've only lived with a woman for 3 months in my whole life. I've also only slept with maybe 10 women in my life, most being one-offs.

    My bottom is a high-bottom as they'd say in AA parlance. It didn't take much for me to completely say, "f^ck all women, I'm going my own way." I never went through all the NIGHTMAREs that people like you have and I'm very grateful for that. I actually have a deep reservoir of empathy for men like you who have faced the worst. I'm astounding at the battering men take and they still get back up. You all are my heroes.

    Life lasts a long time. Lately I've been wanting the cheap comforts and emotional crap that a woman can provide. All that changed though because she dumped me. That crusty old 46 year old woman with no ovaries or uterus (a former meth addict with scars all over her body) a lousy pot head ....she dumped me. Yea, I know, that's pathetic on my part that I even lament that.I've hit an emotional low point. It's not about celibacy, I do not claim to be an Incel or a TFL, that's all bullshit. Those terms are for idiots. I'm also not embarrassed for going all lovey dovey with a post wall, nasty woman and trying to fall in love inside a week and then her rejecting me. LOL. Lesson learned, don't ever tell a woman you have emotions and feelings. I just wanted to get some pussy and cuddle for like once in 5 years. Don't worry, I got a brutal dose of reality for being so na´ve. That really hurt.

    I'm just going through some red pill rage dude. For me, this manifests as emo-crap, lamenting the fact there are no nice women. There is no one to hold me and comfort me. She will hurt me. Its all an illusion. I'm still sad about that. I know better but the wound is still tender.

    Sorry to sound like such a fag about it all. We all wanted love, all we got was severe pain. Its a shit deal

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    Great to see you here Gravel Pit!

    I have to say a lot of the things you've described really resonated with me. The thing I've realized lately is that we're men; we are biologically hard-wired to want and desire women. No matter how red-pill or MGTOW you are, there's no getting past that. Wanting sex, wanting to cuddle, or kiss someone, or hold their hand, or love...whatever, you can say whatever you want, but that shit is what makes us human. Desiring closeness and companionship from women is something we evolved to do.

    The thing is, they aren't wired to want us in the same way we want them. You'll never see a woman fight to the death for a man, but that would have been a common occurrence back in our prehistoric days, where most of our behavior and instincts evolved. What women are attracted to are a man's power, wealth, and resources. That's it. Men are expendable to them. So when men thoughtfully and lovingly finally allowed women power and influence, in the society MEN spent centuries building for them, what did they do? They destroyed it.

    The first thing they did was break the deal which previously existed between men and women. The deal basically went like this: A man will protect and provide for a woman, if the woman will be a good wife to him and mother to his children. The truth is, women are the ones who walked away from us first. They walked away from everything on their end of the bargain decades ago. Instead of marrying one man, and being with him for the rest of her life and giving him a family, she now takes the man's children, house, money, and resources away from him. The man is still stuck doing all the things he did before, except he is completely removed from it. The ultimate sacrifice. And yet, they are willing to offer nothing in return, not even a fucking sandwich, and they are perfectly content with this arrangement. That is the only deal they are willing to make with us.

    Women clearly love this arrangement, given by the fact that they initiate 80% of divorces, receive 97% of alimony, and get COMPLETE custody 85% of the time. Ask yourself this...if the tables were turned, would you do the same thing to a woman? I'll tell you, I would never do that to anyone, and I certainly wouldn't do it to someone I loved. But the truth is, women do not love or respect men. I think they see us much the same way a black widow sees its males. They will literally devour you and your entire life without a second thought, without emotion or remorse, just for that temporary boost it will give her for awhile after she's extracted what she needed from you, while she's waiting for the next male to walk along.

    So yeah...they obviously don't give a fuck about us, so why should we give a fuck about them? It takes a lot for a man to completely lose his biological desire for women and walk away from them, but they are making it easier now than ever. The thing is, they can never be what we want them to be, and they clearly don't want to. The only reason they did it before was because they needed our resources to survive, and now they don't. They can never love us the way we love them. After seeing that, and realizing just how little they actually bring to the table, I stopped wanting them or caring about them too. I mean what the fuck is the point? What is it about them we are supposed to want? I see nothing. They bring nothing but pain and misery, and they destroyed the fabric of our society by destroying the family unit.

    The red pill rage has stuck with me for a very long time too, but the longer I am MGTOW, the less I care about them or anything they do...and I am happy enough just knowing they will pay the ultimate price for their selfish, disgusting behavior, while I get to live out the rest of my life as a happy, successful and free man. But I think the day I wake up and completely stop caring will be the first real day of freedom in my life.

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    Xanthine 'gets' it. Its nice to know, other guys are analogous in their experience.

    I may still succumb to a woman some day. Its been awhile and I like a go at one.

    However, MGTOW has shaped my neurons. Before I learned about evo-psych and hypergamy, I was truly disarmed and set up to fail. Im not saying that somehow Ill be immune or safe from the risks...but if I do end up in a relationshit, never again will one of them be able to harm my heart like before and I won't be holding out for good treatment from her or believing her lies.

    Sometimes, MGTOW will say, 1 woman, 1 chance per lifetime...thats it. Once she blows it, EXIT..... no second chances for women, they never change.

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    Re: Longtime monkMGHOW, ReTesting the Affection of Women

    They stole, but there was another willing participant there.

    You gave your trust and your loyalty to one or more who were unworthy. You invested in them in a way that compromised yourself.

    It's easy to externalize what someone else did, but when you can own the part you played, you're able to move through the rest more easily, not that its ever easy when those you place your trust in betray you.

    It can be a very long and convoluted road to move through it all, and some things never heal completely.


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