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    My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    1. Relationship history (experience with women, red pills, what about it made you made you aware; note- you don't HAVE to have had relationships but you can speak of your interactions with women) -- it turns out trolls don't have good, realistic stories of this ilk.

    My experience with women is somewhat normal, I guess. I dated some in HS and college. Never really had a long term, steady girl friend. I didnít have game. I believed in the ďbe a nice guyĒ. I was predominantly raced by my mother and 2 older sisters. My parents stayed married until I graduated HS, but mom ran the house. I constantly hear from my mom about what my dad did wrong and what awful guy he was. I convinced myself I wasnít going to be that guy. Iíve read and heard that a lot of boys go down this road. But doing this I could never figure out why I couldnít get the girls I wanted.

    One of my GFs in HS I was really fond of. She burned me by sleeping with someone else. Yeah, it was young love and I didnít really learn anything from it because this would occur later in life too. Late in college I dated a girl that was really cool. She was fun to hang with and pretty good looking too. She broke up with me for a reason I donít know. I think it was because of long distance and probably because I acted like a simp. I guess I have been one most of my life due to blue pill conditioning.

    After college age I ended up in a town I was not familiar with. I was depressed and wanted to move closer to college friends. Right before I was about to move I met my now ex wife. I thought I hit the jack pot. We hit it off right away. We were inseparable. I now realize she was manipulating me in several ways. She isolated me from others including my family. She convinced me to do a lot of things. She was a piece of work. We have 3 kids together. During the marriage she cheated on me twice, spent money like it grew on trees, guilted me, emotionally abused me, verbally abused me, etc. I could go on and on about her and what she did to me. I developed a drinking problem while married. Not to say it wasnít there all along but being married to her didnít help my situation. After almost 15 years, I ran across that old GF from HS. Gotta love a Facebook. We quickly became friends. She started pointing out things in my marriage that were not good. The stories I would tell her were funny until in hit me that this was my life I was laughing about. I went to a counselor, talked with friends, and talked with family. I had to get out. My life was going down the tubes. I told my ex one day I think I want a divorce. At first she was fine with it. Then, I think she realized she wasnít going to get the windfall of cash she thought she might get. I make good money but not like a Rockefeller. She thought she was going to be on easy street with the marital home, new car every 2 years, etc. once she realized she was going to be rich, she turned nasty. Definitely not the woman I thought I married. She behaved like a teenager or whiney toddler. Keep in mind we we both in our 40s. Both old enough to act like grown ups. My first meeting with my attorney, I told her, ďmy wife is crazy and a real piece of workĒ. My attorney replied back, ďeveryone says that when they come in hereĒ. By the end of the divorce process 9 months later, she told me, ďthis is probably the hardest case Iíve ever had because your wife is crazyĒ. Haha!!! My attorney finally believed me. In the end, I was fortunate. I got out of alimony, I see my kids 35% of the time on weekends and once during the off week, she is remarried (engaged before we were divorced), kids are well adjusted, kept my retirement savings, and lost my equity in the house. The biggest gift from the divorce is I have my sanity and serenity. My relationship with my kids is better now than when we were married. I think they see the difference in mom and dad.

    Since my my divorce almost 4 years ago, I have dated some women. I have found them to be flakes, , greedy, liars, take no responsibility, etc. Many claim to not need a man, but they always have one around. I wouldnít say Iím opposed to having any relationship with a woman, but Iím definitely not looking for one. They arenít worth the time and money. I now have little debt, hobbies, cars, free time, etc. why would I want to give that up?



    2. Awareness
    : your blue pill perspectives, how you transitioned to red pill, with enough detail about what brought you to MGTOW.

    So, during my divorce I searched the web for information. A lot of what I read was about women, BPD, narcism, etc. I read around 20 books on narcism because Iím convinced my ex wife is one. I donít recall exactly how I came across the red pill, but the biggest impact was Rolloís first book. I somehow found it and ordered it. Added it to my collection of 20 other books or so. I read it along with his other 2 books. I have listened to him and some other red pill guys on YouTube for around 2 years. I definitely realized I was raised blue pill. As I stated before, dad was there, but he was so blue pill. He did like what I tried to do with my ex, make her happy. I now realize that is exactly the opposite of what women want. All the things they claim to like in a man are so untrue.

    3. Who you are
    : tell us a little bit of who you are. What you like, what you do, etc.

    I am a divorce dad of 3 children. I enjoy exercising most every day. I run most days. Iíve run several 5 K races. Gotten back into lifting weights recently. Motor sports is a passion of mine. Being outside is something I enjoy. Ignoring all news outlets is liberating for me. These are all things I enjoyed in HS but lost my way in college and marriage.
    I work full time but think about a future where I donít have to work full time.
    Time with my kids is priceless as one is a senior in HS.

    I hope this suffices for an introduction. I can answer any questions and add more if necessary. I have lurked on this site for about 6 months and on another MGTOW sire for over 2 years. Look forward to getting to know some other men.

    Thank you.

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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Hello,

    Wow, yeah, your ex was indeed a piece or work.

    once she realized she was going to be rich, she turned nasty.
    Do you mean, wasn't?

    I wouldnít say Iím opposed to having any relationship with a woman, but Iím definitely not looking for one. They arenít worth the time and money. I now have little debt, hobbies, cars, free time, etc. why would I want to give that up?
    Well, you sound pragmatic here, my friend, in that I'm hearing you say that you wouldn't give that up until it was worth it to give it up. Yes?

    You've written a nice Intro and you've lurked here for 6 months, you wrote, so you probably realize that we are red pill only. Which means we are not open to relationships with women in the manner of a girlfriend or wife. That is resolutely behind those who call ourselves MGTOW. You indicated that although you are not looking for a relationship, you are still open to having one. To my logical mind, this means you will say yes, not no, if it's the woman who does the pursuing and she ticks off enough boxes. Pragmatic you are, not resolute. Yes?

    It's known that men can get burned more than once before they become MGTOW such that they can have a bad yet eye-opening situation similar to yours, but it takes another horrible relationship, maybe two, maybe more, before they say, Fuck that. Until then, they are acutely aware of how they were played, but are open to "try again" with this heightened awareness. Have we caught you between relationships here? Your nice Intro may be depicting a pause between relationships, not a Man Going His Own Way.

    But, Intros are a composition of words, and who wants to word-wrestle a man of candor?

    So, please let me ask you this defining question: Do you keep hope for a girlfriend or wife? Your yes or no should pin it down for us where you are in your evolution.

    Thank you.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Narc fodder is what narcs do to "nice guys", all we can do is offer you some MGTOW all purpose glue, it's up to you to glue the pieces back together, except to your liking, and it doesn't matter if you chose to leave a few pieces out or put pieces in places that deny common consensus. I know, I'm held together with the stuff, like superglue and sawdust!

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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any indication that our new friend has any remaining hopes. Sounds like the first wife took care a that. For my money he's in.

    I don't care myself if a guy still has a little blue pill mud on his boots. We all probably got some rather we know it or not. As long as your not pushing a plantation gig on me I'm ok. That's where it ends though.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    I lean with the Frog man....

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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Ditto !

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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see any indication that our new friend has any remaining hopes.
    Any indication, you say? Yeah, you missed something. I had even recapped his remaining hope.

    As MGTOW, would you say that you are not opposed to having a girlfriend or wife? I would hope not.

    I don't care myself if a guy still has a little blue pill mud on his boots. We all probably got some rather we know it or not. As long as your not pushing a plantation gig on me I'm ok. That's where it ends though.
    Oh, but up until it reaches your personal limit, you will accept a certain amount of blue pill thinking from fellow members here.

    Look, I know what you guys are drawn to here. He resonates well.

    Think about what being not quite there looks like. Let's see what he says.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    There's so many granny's out there who don't even like me, yet would sign me up in a New York minute cause there aren't any other single geezers. I could have a new one every week. If they had anything I wanted that is. But they don't, and I wouldn't think it right anyway.

    The last thing I want is some troll telling us how real men ought to act. But when did we start having to take the oath before being considered a worthy member?


    Mikediver's a good example of what I'm thinking about. Sharp as a tack, and a fountain a knowledge who always helped, we never had a better member. We going to pitch him out now cause he's married? Married to a woman who's standing by him while he dies, I might add.


    Before the government gave them a safety net, smarter women realized their life would be better if they propped their man up instead of tearing him down. I expect those days are long gone, but women could still be good partners if they wanted. If you call this blue pill thinking, then I guess I'm guilty. Unlike every other member I know of here, my mother never did anything rotten to me or my father. So however unlikely, lightning can sometimes strike.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    if a guy still has a little blue pill mud on his boots.
    But when did we start having to take the oath before being considered a worthy member?
    Well, you keep speaking euphemistically, artfully, and I don't get to do that. The source of our miscommunication.

    The oath? What does that mean? Swearing off relationships? If that, then yes.

    Or does it mean, a woman has fucked me over and I see what you guys are talking about, but if another woman asks me, I'm up for another try because I'm not ready to swear off relationships?

    If that, then no.

    That dividing line hasn't changed.


    I expect those days are long gone, but women could still be good partners if they wanted. If you call this blue pill thinking, then I guess I'm guilty.
    Who hasn't thought that? That's the basis upon which anti-feminism is based, yes? Men who have sworn off relationships have thought that. Men like you and me.

    Let's see what he says.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Hmmm...red pill is not by definition mean no relationship with women. I would defer to someone with more expertise to expand on that. I have listened to Rollo explain it several times. It does not mean abstaining from any relationship with a woman. Is a pump and dump a relationship? A casual fling for sex a relationship? Would I marry again...hell no! Would I live with a women...no way! As I stated, it is not worth it. Would I entertain a woman that just wants to have some casual sex, possibly. Truth is I recall what my dad said, “never say never”. Ironically, that statement was in one of my readings this morning. I’m not in control. I cannot predict the future. If you’d have asked me 5 years ago if I’d be divorced in Less than 2 years, I’ve have told you, no.
    If being a part of this community means never having sex again with a woman, then yeah, I’m out. I didn’t realize MGTOW meant celibacy.
    To me the red pill means seeing how the real world really is. Not listening to the BS that is fed to us men about how sweet and nice women are. That is the biggest bunch of BS. Women are more vindictive than men by a long shot. Realizing the feminine imperative makes for a challenging world for men. Realizing the family courts are so biased no matter what the woman does. Watching movies, shows, and commercials shame, guilt, and ridicule men right before our eyes. Seeing this and watching other people laugh and they cannot see it. They think it is funny to laugh at men. Like we a buffoons. They laugh at the concept of “dad jokes” and believe dad bods are sexy. Really? It’s about seeing the world through a red lense. Seeing how things really are. Once I realized it, I’l never be able to unsee it.
    I could go on and on. If anyone thinks I’m a troll, go ahead and drop the black ball on me. I really don’t care. Because no matter what comes of this screening process, I’m red pilled and going my own way. My own way may not be exactly how you think it should be, but’s it’s my own way.
    I stayed up way past my bed time last night writing my intro. I ain’t doing it again. So, I’ll check back in tomorrow evening or Friday to see if I made the cut...haha!

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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Quote Originally Posted by MAM5150 View Post
    Hmmm...red pill is not by definition mean no relationship with women. I would defer to someone with more expertise to expand on that. I have listened to Rollo explain it several times. It does not mean abstaining from any relationship with a woman. Is a pump and dump a relationship? A casual fling for sex a relationship? Would I marry again...hell no! Would I live with a women...no way! As I stated, it is not worth it. Would I entertain a woman that just wants to have some casual sex, possibly. Truth is I recall what my dad said, ďnever say neverĒ. Ironically, that statement was in one of my readings this morning. Iím not in control. I cannot predict the future. If youíd have asked me 5 years ago if Iíd be divorced in Less than 2 years, Iíve have told you, no.
    If being a part of this community means never having sex again with a woman, then yeah, Iím out. I didnít realize MGTOW meant celibacy.
    To me the red pill means seeing how the real world really is. Not listening to the BS that is fed to us men about how sweet and nice women are. That is the biggest bunch of BS. Women are more vindictive than men by a long shot. Realizing the feminine imperative makes for a challenging world for men. Realizing the family courts are so biased no matter what the woman does. Watching movies, shows, and commercials shame, guilt, and ridicule men right before our eyes. Seeing this and watching other people laugh and they cannot see it. They think it is funny to laugh at men. Like we a buffoons. They laugh at the concept of ďdad jokesĒ and believe dad bods are sexy. Really? Itís about seeing the world through a red lense. Seeing how things really are. Once I realized it, Iíl never be able to unsee it.
    I could go on and on. If anyone thinks Iím a troll, go ahead and drop the black ball on me. I really donít care. Because no matter what comes of this screening process, Iím red pilled and going my own way. My own way may not be exactly how you think it should be, butís itís my own way.
    I stayed up way past my bed time last night writing my intro. I ainít doing it again. So, Iíll check back in tomorrow evening or Friday to see if I made the cut...haha!
    Hi MAM5150,

    I apologize that I/we fractured your attention away from the single question I had asked. It's not uncommon that we may talk among ourselves while I wait for the registrant to reply. Ha, we're a forum, aren't we?

    No, I don't think anyone mentioned celibacy as a requirement here. And I don't think anyone thinks you are a troll. But that you take the time to mention both ideas is why I think we have cluttered things here. No, we are not talking about pump and dump and casual sex. Please note, this forum has sections for both Game and P4P.

    The word "relationship" is a broad term as you pointed out and that is why I avoid it in my requests for clarification. Returning to my original question at the end of Post #2, you have clarified things for me in what you wrote above.

    So... welcome!

    No need to make caveat about the future. For membership here, I evaluate the present mindset of the registrant. The resolve in your head as of right now. Is the registrant at the time of his Intro holding wishes and hopes for a GF or wife, or not? Simple as that. If I can't see the resolve throughout the Intro, if there seems to be something blueish or purplish going on amongst the red talk, of course I will seek clarification. We gotta keep it red here as people show up prematurely.

    I hope this helps explain and does not fracture further.

    Thank you.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Sorry for butting in MAM5150, it seemed like a good time. Welcome. Besides, better too much in a intro than not enough.

    In it's early years, this place had at least two guys who admitted to being married, and one I can remember who still had girlfriends. We thought them a bit daft, but otherwise they were not looked down on. Quite the opposite, they were great members. Two still check in every now and then though they don't post much. They never once said marriage was good, or that we should sign up. You guys know who you are, take a bow.


    So it used to be a guy could have a few ties to the blue pill world and still be a member. Guess I thought it was still that way.
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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Married and MGTOW, yes it's possible, like a bird that realized he's trapped in a cage, therefore he's a MGHOW planning his escape and hiding his nuts for that inevitable day when he pulls the pin on his hand grenade! Not a position I'm comfortable with, and a position I'll never find myself in!

    Never say never? Fuck that! Try NOT EVER, freewill is an awesome power that does change the future to be a more suitable and accommodating place, the struggle is all the pain, once you arrive to that destination the struggle is over and we wait for the next bag-over-the-head, punch-in-the-face. In life's practice we've learned how to hear a crinkling bag from miles away!

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    Re: My Introduction and Finding the Red Pill

    Welcome Sir!

    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
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