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    Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    Hi,
    I am in my mid forties, single, never married, never had children. I had a string of relationships throughout my life, some long up to four years, others short. I am still dating occasionally but it's more and more frustrating. The women that I have met in the last year were all very self centred, selfish and emotionally numb.
    I would have liked to have a healthy relationship but I have never wanted to have a relationship for the sake of having one and I have got fed up of women that have impossible requirements for the men they meet. I am constantly reminded by them my perceived shortcomings and my kindness and openness are most of the times interpreted only as a weakness.
    I feel very bitter about the state of affairs in the men-women relations, feminism is a cancer that has destroyed the fabric of society. My temptation would be to withdraw from dating once for all but I hate loneliness and feeling lonely makes me go back to seek women and repeating the endless circle of frustration that I go through each time that I open myself to the possibility of a relationship with a woman.
    I guess my life was affected quite negatively since the beginning, when a feminist men hating primary school teacher used to beat us boys while sparing the girls of this treatment and used to repeat that "women can't be touched even with a flower" (tentative translation here, English is not my first language).
    Anyway thanks for hosting my words here, I hope to be able to contribute to some good discussions!
    Cheers

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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    I feel very bitter about the state of affairs in the men-women relations, feminism is a cancer that has destroyed the fabric of society. My temptation would be to withdraw from dating once for all but I hate loneliness and feeling lonely makes me go back to seek women and repeating the endless circle of frustration that I go through each time that I open myself to the possibility of a relationship with a woman.
    Do you think feminism has also benefitted men in the sense that we do not need to be protector/provider anymore?
    Do you still hold out for a relationship? Have you never felt lonely being with a woman?

    "women can't be touched even with a flower" (tentative translation here, English is not my first language).
    Which part of the world is this?
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    Feminism benefited men? I don't see much how, most of women still expect men to contribute more than them to family wealth, they only want do date wealthier guys even if they are wealthy successful professional, say for example lawyers or doctors. Have you seen educated professional women marry blue collar guys? Very unlikely, while you see many rich or wealthy guys marrying women of lower social condition because of love or lust.
    I grew up in Italy but I now live in Norway for work.

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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    Do you still hold out for a relationship? Have you never felt lonely being with a woman?
    I forgot these questions earlier.
    I guess you mean if I still hope in a relationship. I am really reluctant to forgo sex but right now I don't believe in the possibility of a meaningful relationship.
    The second one: yes I felt very lonely with some women,some are very uncaring, while others made me feel cared but off course they wanted their reward: children, marriage, money etc.
    I think that only men are capable of selfless love, women are only emotional and sex traders.

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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Alone View Post
    Hi,
    I am in my mid forties, single, never married, never had children. I had a string of relationships throughout my life, some long up to four years, others short. I am still dating occasionally but it's more and more frustrating. The women that I have met in the last year were all very self centred, selfish and emotionally numb.
    I would have liked to have a healthy relationship but I have never wanted to have a relationship for the sake of having one and I have got fed up of women that have impossible requirements for the men they meet. I am constantly reminded by them my perceived shortcomings and my kindness and openness are most of the times interpreted only as a weakness.
    I feel very bitter about the state of affairs in the men-women relations, feminism is a cancer that has destroyed the fabric of society. My temptation would be to withdraw from dating once for all but I hate loneliness and feeling lonely makes me go back to seek women and repeating the endless circle of frustration that I go through each time that I open myself to the possibility of a relationship with a woman.
    I guess my life was affected quite negatively since the beginning, when a feminist men hating primary school teacher used to beat us boys while sparing the girls of this treatment and used to repeat that "women can't be touched even with a flower" (tentative translation here, English is not my first language).
    Anyway thanks for hosting my words here, I hope to be able to contribute to some good discussions!
    Cheers
    Hi Alone,

    May I please direct you to read the How To Intro sticky in this subforum? It will tell you how to flesh out an Intro with detail. What you wrote so far is, well, pretty general and, while it let you get a few things out, tells us what we already know about women. We want to know about you instead, and so that we know you are not like others who have come to this site in error, bringing general statements.

    Please read that sticky end-to-end then come back to this thread and make a new post here to respond to the three numbered topics from that sticky.

    The question posed to you earlier can be repeated here in this way: do you keep hope for a girlfriend or wife?

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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    1. Relationship history (experience with women, red pills, what about it made you made you aware; note- you don't HAVE to have had relationships but you can speak of your interactions with women) -- it turns out trolls don't have good, realistic stories of this ilk.

    2. Awareness: your previous blue pill perspectives, how you transitioned to red pill, with enough detail about what brought you to MGTOW.

    3. Who you are: tell us a little bit of who you are. What you like, what you do, etc.


    1. The longest relationships lasted 4, 3 and 3 years, others were shorter , anything in between few month to two years.
    The last one wasn't even the worst, I was not in love, I felt bored and unfulfilled so I closed it particularly because she wanted me to marry her and having kids. Financially I also carried much more of the burden than her.
    The worst was a shorter one it lasted only one year. I have her everything but she was mainly interested in her career and friends, she said she loved me but I was always at the bottom of her list of priorities. Eventually she dumped me for a colleague of hers when I was in a job crisis and diagnosed with a tumor.
    2. I started to become more and more aware with time, paying attention to how much most of women are using men. I felt that I was assessed by them not as a human being but as a potential provider and my career and status were not considered attractive if not by low income or single mothers who perhaps thought that couldn't find any better. This was in stark contrast with my attitude, I have always been open to date anyone from any background as long as I liked them.
    Further in recent times, also for professional reasons, I work in academia, I got more and more exposed to radical feminists, who want to establish privileges for women and like to communicate a vilifying image of men and masculinity. Men are considered by them the cause of all sort of problems and I hate this attitude. I watched the Red Pill documentary, I was searching online about feminism and how to confront it and I stumbled on the film. Then I got more familiar with the men's rights movement, Paul Elam, the videos of studio brulé, Janice Fiamengo's antifeminism. I had few arguments with women colleagues before understanding that was pointless and that I was just risking my (already unstable) career. So I gave up talking about these things with women, I now just talk with men occasionally if I feel I can trust them.
    3. I am an academic researcher. In my little free time I like reading about politics, hiking and watching films. Nowadays I am quite lonely, most of people that I know are in relationships and families and don't go out much.

    Right now I have lost hopes in a relationship. If this will ever change I will delete my account.

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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    Yep, greenhorn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alone View Post
    . Nowadays I am quite lonely, most of people that I know are in relationships and families and don't go out much.

    Right now I have lost hopes in a relationship. If this will ever change I will delete my account.
    Robin Williams was "married", yet he was brainwashed by the blue pill called loneliness, so why not break the cycle before it breaks you? You're gauging loneliness with a yardstick of dogma created by others, I can't imagine spending my time on some fantasy idea that ignores reality and was put in my head by society that ordains I be bound to another or there's something I'm missing, something that makes me incomplete, you need to remove those patterns of thinking and enjoy solitude!

    Your account has no merit as to what you do or don't do, what rally matters is are you bullshitting yourself? How many times must you go down that road knowing the depraved places it goes and the horrible condition it leaves you? It's an alcoholic returning to the bottle and the insanity that lay ahead.
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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    Quote Originally Posted by Alone View Post
    1. Relationship history (experience with women, red pills, what about it made you made you aware; note- you don't HAVE to have had relationships but you can speak of your interactions with women) -- it turns out trolls don't have good, realistic stories of this ilk.

    2. Awareness: your previous blue pill perspectives, how you transitioned to red pill, with enough detail about what brought you to MGTOW.

    3. Who you are: tell us a little bit of who you are. What you like, what you do, etc.


    1. The longest relationships lasted 4, 3 and 3 years, others were shorter , anything in between few month to two years.
    The last one wasn't even the worst, I was not in love, I felt bored and unfulfilled so I closed it particularly because she wanted me to marry her and having kids. Financially I also carried much more of the burden than her.
    The worst was a shorter one it lasted only one year. I have her everything but she was mainly interested in her career and friends, she said she loved me but I was always at the bottom of her list of priorities. Eventually she dumped me for a colleague of hers when I was in a job crisis and diagnosed with a tumor.
    2. I started to become more and more aware with time, paying attention to how much most of women are using men. I felt that I was assessed by them not as a human being but as a potential provider and my career and status were not considered attractive if not by low income or single mothers who perhaps thought that couldn't find any better. This was in stark contrast with my attitude, I have always been open to date anyone from any background as long as I liked them.
    Further in recent times, also for professional reasons, I work in academia, I got more and more exposed to radical feminists, who want to establish privileges for women and like to communicate a vilifying image of men and masculinity. Men are considered by them the cause of all sort of problems and I hate this attitude. I watched the Red Pill documentary, I was searching online about feminism and how to confront it and I stumbled on the film. Then I got more familiar with the men's rights movement, Paul Elam, the videos of studio brulé, Janice Fiamengo's antifeminism. I had few arguments with women colleagues before understanding that was pointless and that I was just risking my (already unstable) career. So I gave up talking about these things with women, I now just talk with men occasionally if I feel I can trust them.
    3. I am an academic researcher. In my little free time I like reading about politics, hiking and watching films. Nowadays I am quite lonely, most of people that I know are in relationships and families and don't go out much.

    Right now I have lost hopes in a relationship. If this will ever change I will delete my account.
    When I pulled up your post my eyes went first to your last sentence and I had to chuckle out loud for its candor. Thank you for your integrity there.

    1. It is helpful if you have examples of the kinds of things that ended your (several) relationships. Or, pick that worst relationship you mentioned and tell us the kinds of things she said and did. Eventually on this site you probably will talk about it detail but we make it part of the Intro. Also, many less-experienced fellows who are not members may be in relationships and will read your specifics and may be able to recognize that what happened to you is what is now happening to them. Thank you.

    3. Are there hiking clubs in your area that might bring you around others?
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    Feelings of loneliness can be a big motivating factor in seeking a relationship. Maybe giving some thought as to why you are having these feelings could help in some way.

    For example, you probably don’t feel lonely when you are alone and occupied, so being alone is not of itself a reason for loneliness. So maybe putting a bit of thought into filling your spare time with a range of different interests could help so that as you get bored of one activity for a while, you have another to take its place.

    So if being alone isn’t causing it, what is?

    From birth we are conditioned by family, friends and society to believe that relationships have some intrinsic value and pressure is put on you to conform, to be like everyone says you should be, that you are not complete in some way unless you have a partner. The first step in breaking this programming is to realise that you are an individual with every right to live life as YOU choose, and if anyone disagrees well, what do they know about YOU and YOUR priorities? As mgtower says they’re only repeating dogma, once you see this clearly their words will mean less than nothing to you.

    Lastly I would say that the practice of getting into short term relationships will only increase these feelings of loneliness as when they fail you are left with a hole in your social life and you don’t know how to fill it. Understand that dating is no different to any other form of distraction, there is nothing ‘special’ about it except that it both drains resources to no good effect (you have nothing to show for it afterwards) and adds to your confusion, neither being something to seek.

    Feelings of loneliness are just that, feelings. They pass and the less attention you pour on them the less will be their effect until you reach a stage where you don’t even give it a second thought, you’ll just get up and do something else instead of overthinking things to no good end.

    I hope this helps.
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    Re: Hi all, one more joining MGTOW

    Some of my best memories in life were experienced all alone in the heat of the moment, like making knurly runs in tight tree littered places where it goes vertical in some places while gravity keeps pulling and every turn executed flawlessly, or a run up a mountain to the peak all alone knowing one mistake climbing a cornice encrusted ridge will be your last! Swimming in the Yucatan against the current with great whites on my mind, while looking at a Policia Official wearing aviators and looking at me like I was out of my mind! Another gringo out with the tide or battered on the rocks! There is a such thing as tiptoe swimming! Try it sometime!

    On the other hand, the most horrible times in my life was when I wasn't alone! Having my heart torn out and shit on was the worst part of not being alone! Those moments alone keep me on my path of pleasure to be single, sovereign, and yes "alone", but cleaned out of all that emotional clutter! It will never happen again, 22 years sovereign and embracing the things I've done! The other path ended in dismal dark feelings I never wanted to feel again! Love can be a sadistic flame that burns us every time, I averaged 100%, shitty feeling every time, like I was the only one trying to work things out, but it was always a struggle and never a pleasure, the bullshit outweighs everything else!

    Life is better spent alone, enjoying it, rather than loathing it! I see females as a lost cause and only purpose is to use us as a pack mule to tote and lug their emotional bricks up a mountain of law and order that tries to kick us off the ridge! I have a much better use for mountains than that!

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    Yep!! +1

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    This gentleman seems genuine, albeit his intro is still a little vague. I could 'feel' his intro is more sincere and doesn't have particular agenda aside from wanting to share his story - which is usually a good sign.

    BTW, with regards to feminism, I think it has done good for men. Now it has gone too far. I am a MGTOW, but as the others on this good forum can attest; I am 100% against a hard patriarchy - as that is even more oppressive to men.

    It seems like you have a wide variety of cultural experience. It would be nice to get your feedback about the 'differences' between women from different countries.
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    Sorry for being late, and scant in replying now but I am very busy at work with some deadlines and I struggle to find time for anything else.

    Unboxxed wrote:
    "1. It is helpful if you have examples of the kinds of things that ended your (several) relationships. Or, pick that worst relationship you mentioned and tell us the kinds of things she said and did. Eventually on this site you probably will talk about it detail but we make it part of the Intro. Also, many less-experienced fellows who are not members may be in relationships and will read your specifics and may be able to recognize that what happened to you is what is now happening to them. Thank you."

    Relationships ended for various reasons, I can't always pin it on them but as a bottom line I could say that some women were more insecure about their attractiveness and dating potential and consequently they were more
    accommodating and compromising, I would have been ok for them because they felt that they couldn't have better options. Those who were more attractive, generally speaking, non only for my self I mean, were conscious of that and had higher standards that led them to discard me in favour of other suitors. When people talk about dating market, I feel that's really like that and while women are very concrete in the way they look act it and act in this market, men are, in my experience, more gullible. It is also true that men are mentally wired in a different way and tend to give importance to looks and physical attraction more than women do.
    Anyway aside form these general considerations but still relating to them, I could say that the one time that I had this particularly bad relationship, which I talked about earlier, she simply reconsidered me after few months of being together in relation to her dating market and her supposed value. When we got together I fell in love, she said that she did too, but her actions spoke differently, we moved together but she still retained to some extent the life of a single woman attending social gatherings and events, often abroad, to which for always supposedly plausible reasons I was not invited. She was a junior business executive, very ambitious and she noticed that I instead was having trouble with my career, she became more and more cold and detached until she found a better fit in another junior executive of her company who had good career prospects. Essentially he was a much better potential earner than me and that was it. The love that she had professed, my diagnosed tumor, nothing really mattered, in the space of two-three days she left me, moved away of my flat and about two or three weeks later she had already moved with him. She never called me a single time to know whether my treatment was successful or not.

    Opaque wrote:
    "BTW, with regards to feminism, I think it has done good for men. Now it has gone too far. I am a MGTOW, but as the others on this good forum can attest; I am 100% against a hard patriarchy - as that is even more oppressive to men."

    I am not in favour of patriarchy either but feminism now is not any more about equality, that was was acceptable, it's about vilifying men and acquiring privileges for women.
    Said that I think that also the now outdated egalitarian feminism might have done some damage, have you have ever thought that in Western countries in the 50-60s a family could live with a single income, women had the time to be at home caring for their families and nowadays even a supposedly middle class family can barely make it with two incomes and they have no time to care of their families and are forced to rely for children day care on kindergartens, schools, or elderly parents if they are lucky enough to have them close? Women had a very important function of nurturing family life, now they don't have the time for that and men neither, even if they wanted to take up that role. Nowadays capitalism is seriously fucked and I am surprised that many MGTOW are so blindly right wing conservatives simply as a reaction to the radical feminism that is most often allied to left wing politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alone View Post
    Nowadays capitalism is seriously fucked and I am surprised that many MGTOW are so blindly right wing conservatives simply as a reaction to the radical feminism that is most often allied to left wing politics.
    Okay, then where do you stand on conservative issues and libtard issues? Or do you stand at all? What do you consider to be good public order?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Okay, then where do you stand on conservative issues and libtard issues? Or do you stand at all? What do you consider to be good public order?
    I guess that I am a strange political animal and I don't fit easily in main stream categories. In terms of economy I like socialdemocracies, welfare policies, redistribution of wealth and minimisation of economic inequality. I think we should all work less hours and being paid more per hour of work.
    Why do we work still 40+ hours per week like 60 years ago? The productivity of labour due to automation of production has skyrocketed but the financial gains have stayed mainly in the pockets of company owners and investors. The levels of inequalities are growing and appalling.
    At the same time I despise "positive" discrimination (privileges) in favour of women and all the rhetoric of victimisation of women and vilification of men that we are subjected to.
    If western societies want to survive they must make people stop to be only consumers obsessed with dreams of personal wealth while they compete like crazy 24h a day.
    If things keep like this, women and men will be mostly at war and families highly unstable (if ever they are born).
    Capitalism has driven the sexes into a brutal competition and feminism is just a vile instrument of the war of the sexes. Capitalism loves feminism: women work harder, produce more, spend more.

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    Looks like our new friend has replied to our questions, and I think he's done good enough. Is he in?
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    Nowadays capitalism is seriously fucked and I am surprised that many MGTOW are so blindly right wing conservatives simply as a reaction to the radical feminism that is most often allied to left wing politics.
    I would say it is a combination of unhealthy capitalism but also of stupid regulation by government which is making people poor. So you need a balance.
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