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    New Ghost Saying Hello

    Hey guys, I've been reading a lot about MGTOW over the past year or so, and while I have friends who claim they're "Red Pill", and who disparage MGTOW philosophy, I find myself more drawn towards the MGTOW Philosophy myself.

    I'm not an MRA, because that suggests I care about the rights of other guys who are Blue Pill, PUAs, Purple Pills, White Knights and the like, when I absolutely don't.

    I care about the rights of men who are genuinely decent, and non pandering to Gynocentric ideology. To me, MGTOW ideology sums this up the best.

    I like that there are various types of MGTOW Classifications on this Site, as there are varying types within the culture. For example, to me, I don't agree with the use of prostitutes as a Ghost. That signifies an admission that women's sexual power is so intoxicating that I'd be willing to pay for it. I'd prefer to strip them of that one obvious bargaining chip so they're left with nothing.

    However, I respect other MGTOW types and Classifications that do use prostitutes - that's their choice, just not a Ghost's choice.

    I struggled with my own MGTOW-ism for a while, until a friend of mine, who's actually gay, AND MGTOW, asked me if I'm MGTOW myself. The conclusion is that, for all practical purposes, I'm, as he put it "functionally MGTOW", if not by ideology. It makes sense that I admit my MGTOW personality, since I'm already living the life of one ...

    I should add that all the things I find disgusting about the female psyche, Riding the Cock Carousel, lack of logic, gynocentrism, misandry, hatred of any guy who's not a Chad Thundercock - I don't hold it against them. I don't hold it against them any more than I hold a Komodo Dragon's traits against them for being disgusting predators.

    What do I hold against them?

    The fact that women LIE about these traits. They claim to be the very opposite of what they are, and have the audacity to even go as far as to claim men have their own horrific traits. And no, I don't care that many of them aren't aware they're lying. Lack of self awareness is the trait of a three year old child, and as adults, they SHOULD know what they are and what they do. I don't trust them, and I won't have anything to do with them as far as emotional or physical relationships go in any way.

    EDIT: I should give you a little bit of background - I'm from the tail end of Generation X, so grew up during a time of serious reformation, when boys were trained with a vengeance to be White Knight Manginas.

    I had the misfortune of being fascinated by images of beautiful women from about the age of four, and have been transfixed my entire life, by the same kind of imagery.

    Like many guys, I worshipped the prettiest of the girls at my high school, and had the classic high school girlfriend experience - who was my first experience of hypergamous behaviour (I was one of the popular kids - maybe not Chad Thundercock, but - one of the guys who could get the prettiest girl at the time). Once I left the school, and her, behind, she monkey gripped the next branch of the then current popular guy at the school. I didn't have a name for it at the time, but learning about hypergamy puts it all into perspective.

    Since then, it's been downhill. I've heard the lies, the hypocrisy, the self contradictory behaviour - and given up so much of my personal freedom over the years of serial monogamy, just for access to sub standard vaginas - but vaginas whose owners absolutely believed were like the rarest alchemical marvels. I've even given up great career opportunities to "obey" an ex girlfriend who threatened me with restricted access to said vagina because she would dump me if I took a job that meant I would be paying her less attention at the time she dictated she wanted that attention. Such a pathetic idiot.

    If I had a time machine, my first use of it wouldn't be to go back in time to buy Microsoft shares, I'd use it to go back and slap the piss out of Younger Me's stupid face.

    The last girlfriend I ever had was the nail in the coffin. Not so much for her treatment of me, but for what she revealed.

    She was very up front with me that she, and every single one of her friends, has consistently cheated on every single boyfriend they've ever had.

    Why?

    Because, as she put it, they can, "because guys are too stupid to know."

    I've been celibate ever since her, that was 2009.

    And they wonder "Where have all the Good Men Gone?"

    Anywhere there aren't filthy, lying whores, that's where.

    This was supposed to be a short introduction, apologies for the rant ... or not, I'm sure many of you have the same beliefs.
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    Re: New Ghost Saying Hello

    Thanks for your introduction -- and for NOT making it "short." We do not welcome short introductions.

    I would like to know more about your personal interactions with women, that led you to reject gynocentrism. I don't want doxxing-level details, just more in the way of what you've experienced and observed for yourself, of the ways, wiles and duplicity of women who have touched your life.

    ON EDIT: I see you added those details while I was writing this up -- thank you!
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    Re: New Ghost Saying Hello

    Welcome brother

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    Thanks for the welcome, and yes, I did think it would be prudent to explain a little bit from past experiences. As you can imagine, there is plenty more. I wasn't traumatised by the last one, but her admissions about the nature of women really opened my eyes enough to make it really clear that no matter what, when you have any relationship with women, there are only degrees of losing.

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    Re: New Ghost Saying Hello

    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverGhost View Post
    If I had a time machine, my first use of it wouldn't be to go back in time to buy Microsoft shares, I'd use it to go back and slap the piss out of Younger Me's stupid face.
    That made me laugh. Welcome.
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    Glad to have you here, welcome!
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    Re: New Ghost Saying Hello

    Welcome. Gen-Xer here too...

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    I'd also like to add something that others might find interesting about my last girlfriend.

    I've posted in another thread in the Ghost Section, about jobs that a Ghost could do, about having had a job that meant I could work from home. As I'm a night owl, and find the daytime rat race clamorous and unappealing, I like to work and night and sleep until the afternoon. (Despite idiots calling me "lazy", I get less sleep than they do, at about six or so hours, as opposed to the nine to ten hours most "go getters" seem to have these days).

    So despite her having a bar managing job that required her to be up until 6AM most days, I was the one with the "weird lifestyle".

    Anyway, after we broke up (which I'm sure her ego thinks is her idea, despite me planting the seeds for months to get rid of her and finally driving her to leave), she sent me an E-Mail, kind of a "recap".

    This is the interesting part: She said "I... had always envisioned our story would end in marriage, children and a house in the country."

    Shit, really? I had always envisioned "our" story would end with me meeting somebody prettier, kinder, gentler and who was more like me. (Yep, not too proud to say I was prettier than her.) You know, the kind of woman that we're taught exists in one of the greatest lies perpetrated to males from the time we're young boys. Such a thing, as you know, does not exist - and even if we met somebody who barely approximated this kind of person, she is simply not biologically capable of loving a man the way a man would love her.

    My folly aside, my point was ... really? She envisioned that? See, the problem was, I envisioned none of those things. I didn't envision marriage, children or a house in the country. And I certainly didn't envision anything to do with her. So I'm thinking (I won't ask if this is the case, as it's clearly a stupid question), I'm thinking that whatever the reality of our relationship was, she just constructed complete horseshit in her own mind as this weird fantasy that didn't even relate to what I was like (and what I clearly demonstrated I was like) as a person. Children? House in the country? What?

    The only thing related to children I'd ever said to her was that if we ever had a son, I was getting him snipped. Now, I understand that there are a lot of MGTOWs - or maybe it's more of an MRA thing - that are dead against snipping baby boys, because they consider it genital mutilation. I'm more of the mindset that it's "enhancement". No offence to anyone that isn't snipped, I just prefer it the way it is, I'm not going to slag off another guy's hairstyle either. However, this alone meant I was never going to have children with her, since she took the point of view that she "made the baby herself, so nobody was going to alter him."

    Hmmmm, all due respect for women having to go through pregnancy, labour and the related things, but most women could barely repair a lost button on a shirt these days, let alone "make" a baby.

    Whatever the reality is, they will make up a fantasy about what life should be like, and blame you for not being able to be wedged into it. They would even go as far as to blame you for ruining their plans, when you never expressed a desire for those plans in the first place.

    That proves to me, that she wasn't interested in me, she was interested in "a guy, any guy" who could be wedged into her ridiculous narrative, and reality be damned. I'm pretty sure this is the case for most women that we're foolish enough to get become involved with.

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    Re: New Ghost Saying Hello

    Funny. I just had an argument with my wife. She was doing the same thing on a completely different topic. She likes to tell me what I feel and believe. It is never even close to reality. She just whips up a story in her mind and declares it true. When I try to correct her perception then I'm being argumentative and won't let it drop. Trying to correct her internal narrative is completely useless. Women really are completely detached from objective reality.

    For any guys out there still dealing with women either out of necessity or choice, I've discovered that when they do this, at that moment, they are in maximum projection mode. All the bullshit they are attributing to you is really how they feel. Often it's stuff they don't want to admit even to themselves so they project it onto you. They are really telling you how they feel. Don't take offense to it. Realize they are giving you a window into their own psyche even if they don't understand that is what they are doing. Arguing with them is worse than useless.

    I've really come to understand that you should never argue with a woman. I'm not suggesting you should roll over by any means, but realize you will never convince them of anything.

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    Re: New Ghost Saying Hello

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    She likes to tell me what I feel and believe. It is never even close to reality. She just whips up a story in her mind and declares it true. When I try to correct her perception then I'm being argumentative and won't let it drop. Trying to correct her internal narrative is completely useless. Women really are completely detached from objective reality.

    For any guys out there still dealing with women either out of necessity or choice, I've discovered that when they do this, at that moment, they are in maximum projection mode. All the bullshit they are attributing to you is really how they feel. Often it's stuff they don't want to admit even to themselves so they project it onto you. They are really telling you how they feel. Don't take offense to it. Realize they are giving you a window into their own psyche even if they don't understand that is what they are doing. Arguing with them is worse than useless.

    I've really come to understand that you should never argue with a woman. I'm not suggesting you should roll over by any means, but realize you will never convince them of anything.
    Completely agreed. When they do this, frankly, if you currently have the option to, just walk away.

    For those who don't have the option to, as pbisque says, there's no point trying to contradict the story they are making up in their head. I highly recommend one of two responses:

    1. If you want them angry, just tell them that's a nice story they made up in their head, and let them know you enjoyed hearing it.

    2. If you don't want them angry, just say "and how does that make you feel?" -- because, I can't stress this enough, THIS IS ALL THAT MATTERS TO THEM. They are only making a scene looking for an excuse to tell you how they feel about what they made up about you.
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    Welcome.


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