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    My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Ok, so I was making a play on a movie title there. I had a conversation (not dinner) with a prospective member via PM's and thought I would share it, as you read down this thread.

    Title: It seems my IP is banned from registering

    January 31, 2020

    Dear Sir,

    I have previously (week ago) tried to register under "Andreas" and now under "GrowingYourOwnWay" but both times I did not receive your forum's registration email. Presumably, because I'm in a blocked IP range (Czech Republic).
    The thing is, you seem to be the highest-quality MGTOW forum around so I had hoped to occasionally contribute, perhaps share insights, learn and make a friend or two.

    I am prepared to IM-you a (very lengthy) New Member Intro that complies with the guidelines.
    I also IMed a smaller assistance message to jagrmeister.

    Thank you for your assistance!
    [name redacted]
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    January 31, 2020

    Dear Sir,

    I have previously (week ago) tried to register under "Andreas" and now under "GrowingYourOwnWay" but both times I did not receive your forum's registration email. Presumably, because I'm in a blocked IP range (Czech Republic).
    The thing is, you seem to be the highest-quality MGTOW forum around so I had hoped to occasionally contribute, perhaps share insights, learn and make a friend or two.

    I am prepared to IM-you a (very lengthy) New Member Intro that complies with the guidelines.
    I also IMed a smaller assistance message to jagrmeister.

    Thank you for your assistance!
    [name redacted]

    Hi GrowingYourOwnWay,

    Thank you for contacting us. I have just sent a new activation email to both Andreas and to GrowingYourOwnWay. Please check your Inbox for this email. Also check your Junk folder. I see both accounts have the same IP address. If you can activate either account, we will close the other account. If you can activate both accounts, we can choose which one to close.

    I am time zone [redacted]. I do not know how quickly the activation emails are sent or when you will see this message so please allow a reasonable amount of time before you decide you did not receive either of them. If you do not receive them, reply to this PM to tell us. Send your reply to both jagrmeister and myself, Unboxxed.

    On this occasion, I will defer to jagmeister regarding your offer to PM us your Intro.

    Thank you,

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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay:

    Hi Unboxxed,

    Thank you. I rent my own dedicated server from [redacted], the privilege I pay for $500/month. I have full control over the entire email subsystem and firewall via WHM and no filtering is configured at all. I receive a lot of email every day and no filtering is enabled at all on my email client either (I use Thunderbird).

    That the repeated emails from your side have again not percolated, say an hour after you resubmitted them, means something is seriously wrong so that either your system blocks my IP or my system blocks yours. The issue here is that my system (email-receiving server) is in Lansing, Texas and really should not block your system, whereas your system may see me as a potential threat (Eastern Europe as final recipient, geo-located receiver). My server DOES block IP-ranges from China, Russia etc. but I'm ASSUMING you're in the US? What IP address (range) are you sending from?

    Best regards,
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Hi Unboxxed,

    Thank you. I rent my own dedicated server from [redacted], the privilege I pay for $500/month. I have full control over the entire email subsystem and firewall via WHM and no filtering is configured at all. I receive a lot of email every day and no filtering is enabled at all on my email client either (I use Thunderbird).

    That the repeated emails from your side have again not percolated, say an hour after you resubmitted them, means something is seriously wrong so that either your system blocks my IP or my system blocks yours. The issue here is that my system (email-receiving server) is in Lansing, Texas and really should not block your system, whereas your system may see me as a potential threat (Eastern Europe as final recipient, geo-located receiver). My server DOES block IP-ranges from China, Russia etc. but I'm ASSUMING you're in the US? What IP address (range) are you sending from?

    Best regards,
    [name redacted]
    Hi,

    For these answers, I must refer you to jagrmeister who is the owner of this site. While I reside in the USA, I have only assumed our server did, too. He will know.

    These PM's to you should also generate an email to advise you of their issuance, but probably that also is not happening.

    It appears you may not have sent a copy of your message reply to jagrmeister. I will send to him a copy of my reply to you so that he will see it.

    In case you are not familiar with how to add recipients of these PM's, I offer this: When you are reading a PM on our site, and when you click on Reply to Private Message, you will see at the very top a box for Recipient Users. Please be sure that both our usernames are in that box by typing in the username that is missing there. That way, both jagrmeister and myself will have the same information from you.

    Jagrmeister is the Admin who can assist in this situation but he is not on the site as frequently as myself, so please understand any delay in hearing from him.

    Thank you,

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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay:

    February 9, 2020


    Hi,

    Even though I can't participate, I still wanted to make an Intro - perhaps it's useful for someone:


    Why I decided to become MGTOW - by GrowingYourOwnWay (age 54)

    RELATIONSHIP HISTORY

    **First kiss at 14**
    I got ignored by girls and was often bullied, being an aspie nerd. One day I fought my bully and I ended up bleeding. Word spread I had stood up to "the Beast" and that caused tingles in a girl. She wanted to have sex but I chickened out. She soon lost interest, since it was not my personality she was after.

    **First sex**
    Started working at 20. One wall-smashed colleague wanted a one night stand but I was oblivious. As an 21 yo incel, I managed to persuade a 27 yo woman to become my girlfriend, She'd earlier been impressed with my suit and business card. She was emotionally frigid and so was I and apart from our first night, we never hugged or even sat close together. To her dismay, I only visited her every other weekend.

    **70 women in seven years**
    I became suicidally depressed at age 27 due to loneliness, exacerbated by childhood trauma - my mother, a malicious Narcissist, had emotionally and physically abused me to near-murder (her of me and me of her) and near-suicide. I sold my stuff, quit my job and embarked on seven years of working my way around the world.

    While I was an awkward nerd in my home country, my travels made me slim, more muscular, tanned, assertive, intriguing and my awkwardness got explained away as cultural differences and the language barrier. I was "exotic meat", as one woman said. Sometimes my passport and money made women pursue me, sometimes that I lived barefoot in my self-built beach hut, cooking on wood fires, sometimes because I was the Diveleader on a boat in a holiday resort.
    Of those women - locals and tourists alike, about zero were interested in me as a person and wanted to have anything to do with me except sex. Some wanted a lot of sex and they wanted it as long as I could provide it - even over several years, but none were interested in me as a person. As for me: I only met a handful that I'd be interested in living with.

    ***Settling down with borderline girlfriend***
    Due to illness I had to give up being a traveling Diveleader and I settled down and found myself an alcoholic girlfriend that shared a tiny room with three other nutcases in a run-down youth hostel. I was a 35 yo wreck, health-wise, she a 23 yo angel, visually. She demanded all my attention and as soon as it was clear, three months after moving in with me, that I wanted to at least DELAY babies, she started to publicly freak out at me in extreme disrespect over trivialities. I immediately kicked her out.

    ***Two decades with a pseudo-NAWALT***
    Age 28, I had met a 23-yo woman on my travels and we kept in contact via letters. She was very different from any other woman I had ever met, exhibiting none of the typical female vices such as superficiality, emotionality, argumentativeness, bland stupidity, spendthrift or flakiness. I decided that if I ever wanted a partner, it should be her and many years later, I persuaded her to live with me. We shared a love of hiking but that was about it. I later found out that she was not only Autistic like myself - something that made us fit quite well, actually - but she had Schizoid Personality Disorder. Such people want to have little to nothing to do with others. They are disinterested in their partners emotionally, physically and intellectually. Psychologists refer to them as "robots".

    One can not have a relationship with a machine, and that is how she behaved. A human robot. Certainly not a sex robot or a companionship robot. Not even a conversational robot or a hug-dispensing robot. She eventually did not even bother to say good morning or good night to me. One day I got food poisoning and I could not get out of bed. I spent a day or two alone in bed, too feeble to get up while she was downstairs, not checking up on me. She had no idea what was going on and didn't really care. We already slept in separate rooms. Some years later, when she still treated me as part of the furniture I kicked her out. We own a successful business together so she still has a cushy life.

    AWARENESS

    Of all the women I ever spoke with, none struck me as truly intelligent. On the contrary, I found women to be generally incapable of rigorous, emotion-free logical thought, unreliable, untrustworthy, uninteresting, shallow, intellectually lazy, ignorant to the point of believing in magic and highly egocentric.
    I became clear to me that women cause overwhelmingly more harm than good in current society. Apart from a lack of reasoning ability, women are also rather incompetent in professions that merely require grit, dedication and true interest in the case matter as well as the profession itself - except the Lesbian and autistic ones. Women cause the dissolution of families, ruin men's lives and dismantle societies.

    I came to regard women as good for making babies and helpmates for men, but for the rest I think Taliban-level treatment of women (apart from genital mutilation) is appropriate. I think women should not have contact with other men except relatives and I am against education of women, and that includes literacy. And they should certainly not be permitted to vote. They should not be permitted to watch TV or video either. Exception should be made for Lesbian women. Lesbian women drove Feminism for a reason - they aren't women but men in women's bodies. Not only cognitively (handicapped by a lifelong lack of Testosterone, starting in the womb) but also sexually.
    Women should be permitted to work because it satisfies their need for socialization and is economically useful, but it should be work like nursing other women, working in a clothes factory with other women, etc.


    ABOUT MYSELF

    I hold no diploma's but am a self-made citizen scientist, electronic/mechanical engineer and entrepreneur. I used to be broke, sick and homeless for many years but now I am financially very successful. The rooms in my house are used as labs, workshop, server room and fitness room. The living room has a professional treadmill because it is too large and heavy for any other location. It also has homestead-level canning equipment. I am self-sufficient in vegetables and will soon have chickens. I like to cycle, run, kayak, swim and cross-country ski. I drive all over Europe in a VW Syncro campervan. I own apartments in Norway and Vienna and live in Central Europe in something akin to a secluded mansion in a gated community.

    I feel the need for female companionship sometimes, especially because I never received love as a child. I have used the services of a sex worker recently but sex is not what I am after - it is physical and emotional closeness I would occasionally like. I've come to terms with the fact that I will remain alone, and that is of my own choice and for the best.
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Hi GrowingYourOwnWay,

    I infer that jagrmeister has not responded to you yet? It may take a while for him to arrive. In the meantime, what others have done is to change the email address to see if the new one works. You don't have to make a new username, you should be able to change the email address on your account then see it if generates the desired email or, if it doesn't, I will then send one to you to see if it arrives.

    Your email address domains are unusual, moyogo.com and fdg.am. Perhaps you should try a more conventional email domain such as hotmail, gmail, yahoo, or outlook.com. I know protonmail.com also works.

    However, I've read your Intro (below) You indicate you were incel when you were 21. Then you also indicate:

    but sex is not what I am after - it is physical and emotional closeness I would occasionally like. I've come to terms with the fact that I will remain alone,
    Again, this is the thinking of an incel, of resignation and not ownership, that you are celibate but want more with women. Not MGTOW. A man who still has hopes for a girlfriend or wife or similar emotional relationship with a female cannot be a member of this site.

    MGTOW are very clear on this point, that they do not want women in their lives except to satisfy sex urges if needed. No longing.

    From what you wrote, you are not MGTOW but are incel and have hopes for closeness with women.

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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay:

    Thanks!

    With all due respect and not to brag - women are queueing to start something with me. I'm handsome, fit, tanned and a multi-millionaire without apparent nerdiness anymore. Women call me "charismatic" and some started to learn English here, just to have a better chance with me. I just came back from Vienna and the guy I bought an apartment from, already arranged a date for me with his sister. I told him not to bother because I'm "not compatible with women" (polite way to say "MGTOW"). At 22:00 he wanted to go home but his wife liked me so much that she told him to go to bed but she would stay a few hours more and talk to me.

    I wrote as my last sentence:

    "I've come to terms with the fact that I will remain alone, and that is of my own choice and for the best."

    MY OWN CHOICE. As in, after lots of negative experiences with women and careful deliberation, I MAY have sex with one or two PERHAPS, but that's as far as I will go. I've lost all interest in them and to tell you the truth, I'm terrified of losing my independence and solitude.

    That being said, I decided not to want to contribute to this forum. I gained a lot from reading it though, and will continue reading it in the future.

    The reason is that this forum has about as many trigger-happy moderators as it has contributors, and it run like a cult. I am a very strong personality and do not accept to be subjected to moderation, except when I would insult people or do other heinous things - which I would never do. This forum terminates people for myriads of vague reasons. I spent about 100 hours here, also trying to figure out for every single "banned" member why they were banned. Some requested to be banned, some deserved to be banned, and many others - I can only guess. I went over their last dozen posts before they were banned, followed the context of the threads and sometimes it seems they may have been banned for perceived racism, the belief in "conspiracy theories" or god knows what. In any case- I'm not going to risk me investing valuable time in building kinship here with my contributions, only to be kicked out by one of dozen moderators in the complex hierarchy of "bosses" here.

    So - Good luck :-)
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Originally Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay Thanks!

    With all due respect and not to brag - women are queueing to start something with me. I'm handsome, fit, tanned and a multi-millionaire without apparent nerdiness anymore. Women call me "charismatic" and some started to learn English here, just to have a better chance with me. I just came back from Vienna and the guy I bought an apartment from, already arranged a date for me with his sister. I told him not to bother because I'm "not compatible with women" (polite way to say "MGTOW"). At 22:00 he wanted to go home but his wife liked me so much that she told him to go to bed but she would stay a few hours more and talk to me.

    I wrote as my last sentence:

    "I've come to terms with the fact that I will remain alone, and that is of my own choice and for the best."

    MY OWN CHOICE. As in, after lots of negative experiences with women and careful deliberation, I MAY have sex with one or two PERHAPS, but that's as far as I will go. I've lost all interest in them and to tell you the truth, I'm terrified of losing my independence and solitude.

    That being said, I decided not to want to contribute to this forum. I gained a lot from reading it though, and will continue reading it in the future.

    The reason is that this forum has about as many trigger-happy moderators as it has contributors, and it run like a cult. I am a very strong personality and do not accept to be subjected to moderation, except when I would insult people or do other heinous things - which I would never do. This forum terminates people for myriads of vague reasons. I spent about 100 hours here, also trying to figure out for every single "banned" member why they were banned. Some requested to be banned, some deserved to be banned, and many others - I can only guess. I went over their last dozen posts before they were banned, followed the context of the threads and sometimes it seems they may have been banned for perceived racism, the belief in "conspiracy theories" or god knows what. In any case- I'm not going to risk me investing valuable time in building kinship here with my contributions, only to be kicked out by one of dozen moderators in the complex hierarchy of "bosses" here.

    So - Good luck :-)

    Hi,

    Thanks for your clarification on what you meant. We have found the best question to separate incel from MGTOW or from blue/purple pill is to ask if hopes are maintained for a girlfriend or relationship. When Intros contain language that cut cross these separations, we can only ask for clarification. Many people are the other categories and it takes discussion to clarify. You have clarified to me that sex is as far as you will go. That replaces your words where you wrote you want emotional connection. Your new words look like MGTOW to me.

    I think you are being unfair with what you wrote about us so I will respond. I guess I don't understand why you initiated and pursued membership and made the time to compose and privately deliver a long Intro when you now say you are not interested because of the 100 hours of research that preceded your Intro. Your reason as presented is irrational and I can only conclude that I have offended you somehow in my manner or directness, that you change your mind after your Intro based on information you already had before your Intro.

    I hope you don't hold the email issue against us. It is not in our control.

    All members must follow our site Principles to avoid the degeneration that has victimized other MGTOW websites. It has been a successful formula. In my time as moderator, I have been very transparent to our membership why corrective action has been taken by me. You should not refrain from joining our site because you fear an imagined action against you that would never happen when following the Principles. I think you were really wanting to deliver an insult about our moderators now that you have decided to leave.

    What is rational to infer from your turnabout is that you do not like being questioned and your decision to quit us, and your insult, is a result from that. It is good to have made this known in the beginning, so that we would not have noticed this at a later time just to have you blame us for recognizing it. Our members here are very perceptive.

    I will wait a bit, should you choose to respond further, then I will close your two accounts.

    Thank you,

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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay:

    Hi Unboxxed,

    In my my timezone is [redacted] :-)

    I am on the Autistic spectrum and communicate differently from others, also because I try to be as terse as possible.

    I think like a computer, there are little emotions in me.

    I made the decision yesterday to not contribute to your site but write an intro nevertheless, mainly for selfish reasons - I think it would "order my thoughts" about the subject.

    None of my remarks were intended to insult anyone in any way, however as explained, I am so concerned about over-moderation that therefore I do not want to take that risk. Over-moderation is like an immune system turned against itself - autoimmunity - even Nature has a hard time getting it just right.

    I make money with my writings and I usually put in a lot of work, since I'm not a native speaker. I found a mistake in what I wrote "Diploma's should be "Diplomas". I take my writings seriously, I do not chat around but carefully select useful topics and then try to produce quality. I would hate it if after say three years and 100 postings, I'd be unceremonously "terminated". I am ways past the Red Pill Rage phase, I'm totally confident and relaxed in my MGTOW-ness and all I wanted to do was be supportive to those who need support and first and foremost, try to contribute in my own way.

    The email issue frustrates me and the moderation issue worries me but after some deliberation yesterday, I don't think I want to "bother" basically. But I still wanted to write that intro, see if I could condense quite a few decades into a few paragraphs - I had many more experiences with women - one locked herself up in my bathroom with my life-saving medicines, threatening to flush them down the toilet unless I'd make love to her crippled insane ass (she'd jumped off a balcony and had broken her hip).

    Lots of anecdotes... Good times...

    Anyway - great forum you have here and I'll read more!



    P.S. So feel free to delete my accounts.

    After re-reading, I found already three typos in my writing to you, sigh. It's too late and I donæt use spellchecking.

    Try to fix your email sending issue - it might prevent others from signing up as well.
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Originally Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay
    I would hate it if after say three years and 100 postings, I'd be unceremonously "terminated".
    There would be warning(s). You would know and have great opportunity to communicate, like the time I spend with you here. Members from other sites have stated we are overly kind in our reticence to take corrective action. I would say that moderation becomes more obvious in the face of open defiance. Even then, after warnings we may only temp-ban for a few days to allow the member to think about what has happened.

    Long-time members do not get summarily banned as that is bad. The moderators must have a sit-down to discuss beforehand what to do with a long-time member. Unless the member becomes threatening to others or other extreme behavior, requiring immediate action.

    I don't know what banned situations you read about that you don't like but moderators here have no vindictiveness. Not all situations are transparent and disqualifying behavior may have occurred while sending PMs to the mods.

    Speaking of transparency, I was thinking to post our entire PM conversation on the site for members to evaluate your propriety, and my propriety too. There is no dictatorship or information-control here. There is only the pursuit of proper avenues of mental health. And that means taking risk sometimes.

    Thank you.



    So feel free to delete my accounts.

    After re-reading, I found already three typos in my writing to you, sigh. It's too late and I donæt use spellchecking.

    Try to fix your email sending issue - it might prevent others from signing up as well.
    There are many things between your computer and our website that can be the problem.

    The most obvious are your unusual domains. Why won't you try using one of the more common domains as I had suggested, just to test it here, to see if you receive an email from us? If it works, you don't have to stay here, but it would be useful to know.

    I'll leave your account open to give you this option to investigate this idea.

    Thank you.
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Posted by GrowingYourOwnWay:

    February 11, 2020

    Hi,

    Thank you for elucidating.

    The reason that I do not want to let a 3rd party handle an email account is that for important operational reasons I insist on using an email client handle all my email addresses. And gmail, hotmail etc. have all kinds of issues and problems with SMTP access. It just doesn't work reliably.

    I'm an expert in these kind of matters. In 2008, Google asked whether I was interested in working for them. I used to own a company that fixed computers, internet issues etc. I programmed an enterprise-level online store. Microsoft published a paper where they detailed how they reverse-engineered my machine learning algorithm for the game of Go, I mention this not to boast but to make a point that I really, really am quite certain that the emailing issue lies on your side, not on mine. I'm running my own email servers and they are managed by the same company you are with - [redacted].

    I receive hundreds of emails per day from all over the world. The issue really lies at your end.

    You've been very courteous and I think you for that. You can publish this conversation and then delete both attempts to create an account.

    A lot of people on this forum post such salient points that I won't be able to remotely top that. I was more thinking of starting inspirational threads - how we as men could self-improve in all respects. Touching upon the spiritual/psychological aspects of Going Your Own Way, brainstorming on how to organically establish a loose-knit community spirit as exists in Turkish tea houses etc. I don't know. Anyway, this email issue makes it too much trouble for me. I would not post much anyway and cmost certainly would eventually get banned, since I am a racist and that's not allowed :-)

    Best regards,
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    [End of PM communication]
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    re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Ok, so that was the PM conversation. Some observations:

    1) He is very complimentary of the membership here but holds the Moderators in lower regard, considering us Mods perhaps as a band of uncoordinating despots. He's convinced he'd follow our rules but would get banned anyway. Even after his stated pre-screening of our site for 100 hours (one hundred hours!) he ignores his fear long enough to register, long enough to push an Intro then, after hearing from me, he resurrects his fear and bails out. (Does he fear we are paying attention?)

    2) He says the conventional email domains don't work reliably, yet they work reliably on our end while his unusual ones do not. It's not worth it to him to use a conventional domain to register as a member here. (Does he fear being traceable by them?)

    3) He started out saying the email problem could be at his end or at our end, either one, but after I asked for his help to experiment with that by selecting a conventional domain, he says he is convinced the problem can only be at our end and he terminates that part of the discussion. Did he simply not want to provide a conventional email address to us, once I asked? (Again, is he trying to fly under somebody's radar and did not want me to think this?)

    4) He appears to be an intelligent person, maybe highly intelligent. Some of you may know that I am in Mensa/Intertel and you can expect that I socialize regularly with other members and we talk about anything and everything that crosses our minds. That never means that any of us know anything (ha), but I will tell you that none of us ever, ever, come across as "I know something you don't and I'm not going to tell you. You will just have to figure shit out for yourself." That's the vibe I picked up.

    5) He initially indicated he would want to learn and make a friend or two, but ended up talking like he would post "inspiration threads". Would that be more like monologues instead of dialogues? Can't say. He did insist that we have his Intro, even when not remaining.

    6) What a jawdropper that, at the very end, when deciding he will not be a member here, he reveals he is a racist. Wasn't in his lengthy Intro, that I saw.


    So, by his own words he indicates his racism would be presented here such that we uncoordinating despot moderators would ban him for it. (You bet we would.) Is his email situation a method of avoiding the major email providers for this reason?

    Did he study us for 100 hours, thinking we would be a place for him to preach? Did I (luckily) scare off someone with an agenda?

    Comments welcome! What's your take on this fellow?
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    Re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    There's no room for real racism here or anywhere in MGTOW, that goes for religion and politics. How can we have any kind of community if such divisiveness was allowed? I have my own opinions on many things and some of those things are better left off the table or said in a way that's not offending to other members. With this theme we can have Christians, Jews, Muslims, gays, straights, black panthers, and the KKK within our ranks, which is better than any "cult" as this would-be member alleges we are.

    BTW, I don't know of any cult present or historical that's so inclusive. Please correct me if I'm wrong?
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    Re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    Did I (luckily) scare off someone with an agenda?
    An agenda? Hmm!

    I suspect yes, but not one that would be understandable to anyone other than himself without much explanation and effort.

    He describes himself as “an aspie” – i.e. one that suffers from Asperger’s and maybe that explains my difficulty in following his reasoning.

    From what he has written I also suspect he is VERY intelligent, but thankfully for me intelligence is not a prerequisite for membership here.

    What is required is dedication to the MGTOW lifestyle and an ability to restrain oneself from over emotional outbursts especially with regards other member’s views, and in this second area I think he would not be a ‘good fit’ here.

    However I would like to wish him well and the best of luck in the future.
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    Re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Is it almost too good?....aprt from trying to sneak a bit of totalitarianism under the wire?
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    Re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post

    Did he study us for 100 hours, thinking we would be a place for him to preach? Did I (luckily) scare off someone with an agenda?

    Comments welcome! What's your take on this fellow?
    For me it made sense rigt up until the "since I am a racist and that's not allowed :-)" which makes no sense at all and is contrary to all that went before.

    I'd enquire "how?", How are you a racist?

    How is an aspie a racist?....racism is illogical?

    Perhaps he meant cultural supremacist or something which is more of a cultural rather than racist thing but even so, how would such a splendid chap not know that?

    Hi-tech infiltration and torpedo attack?

    Get the mods to accept 'Taliban level' control issues plus outright and upfront racism?

    ....here comes the censor!...eh?

    Its not passing my Tao-test (I never did say what that was or what its about and I ain't gonna).....too ropey.

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    But then again....he/it never got to go public did it?....plus he/it nuked itself.


    Soooo...its an awkward one.
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    Re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    When throwing Darts...the object is to hit center.......He is all over the place. still,...it is not my opinion but the Mods to allow or reject.
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    Re: My Dinner with Andreas / GrowingYourOwnWay

    He sure must of enjoyed putting a ton of work in a site he really didn't want to join. Strange, that he would waste time, doing that to feel a power trip.


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