Thread: Clarity can be hard to see

Unboxxed you have done an awesome job with this site. You have a very difficult job and you take your responsibility very seriously. You have all of my respect.

Good luck going forward.

Ghost

Originally Posted by Ghost

Hi. I'm Ghost. Not for the technical meaning on this website but for my general approach to life. I really don't fit any of the particular categories here. I'm not a fan of categories anyway. "Is that jazz?" It's whatever you want it to be.

So for my history which seems to be a requirement for my new member thread. I lost my virginity at a young age. Totally voluntarily. The perpetrator was an older girl who I think was looking to bust cherries. Which fits into the patterns that we see with females doing all the same things that males are damned for. I was generally in some relationship during high school and college. I'm pretty sure my last college girlfriend was cheating on me as she had gone to another city to start dental school. She denied it but the truth was clear enough. And she must have enjoyed the double dipping. She was very attractive and fun so I tolerated it for a while. And there was no reason to be exclusive myself. It was probably at that time that I first began to appreciate the destructive force that females can be.

In grad school I also tended to gravitate into long term relationships. Back in those days the worst STD you could get was herpes so there were a few side trysts. After breaking up with one long term girlfriend, her younger sister targeted me. We'd exchanged looks before and I put up little resistance. Sister fucking is a thing! In my case it wasn't for revenge it was for curiousity. More long term relationships followed, but now that I was in a real job the relationships were expected to follow the expected pattern. I was engaged twice before I got married and both times it was a play towards marriage with the ring and everything but dates were never set. In both instances it was the "right thing to do." My second fiance moved into my house. Things worked out until I had an accident and one leg was pretty messed up. My fiance was kind enough to act as my care giver (something that females can do well) but eventually she lost her job because she was often late to work because she was taking care of me. She became embittered as a result and would often go out with her "friends" while I stayed at home as I was immobile. Eventually she would come home later and later and I wouldn't put up with her lies and threw her out. Later I ran into her younger sister. I asked her about what her sister had told me as I wondered. She told me that her sister did not know how to tell the truth as she did not know what it was. That was comforting - at least I was out of that mess. No I didn't fuck that younger sister.

Then I met the woman who became my wife. She was smart, tall and beautiful but most importantly she was nice and fun. She had a great job and a useful degree. I knew that should the worst happen I wasn't going to get burned for alimony as she could earn plenty. So I took the plunge. It was mostly a good plunge. We had two children. Family life was a mostly fun phase but it fell short of what I was expecting. After 12 years of marriage my wife told me she wanted a divorce. We had a prenup but I still had to make a substantial donation to her favorite charity which she used to buy her own house. In the settlement agreement I specified that the children had to live close to me so that 50/50 timesharing would work. We got along a lot better living apart and the divorce action sat. Until she tried to get the court to let her take the kids to a place she wanted to move. Twice. The first time a guardian was appointed and she decided that the kids were better off with me. The second time my wife falsely claimed I hit her. I never even thought about hitting that woman. I was arrested and spent a wonderful night in jail. It was a deliberate ploy set up with her lawyer to get the judge to remove the children from the hands of a wife beater. I would not settle and forced the case to a jury trial. Surprisingly the State Attorney called one of the kids as a witness. What was not asked by the SA was whether I hit her mother. We then made the decision to ask the question that the SA wouldn't and my child truthfully testified that I had not hit her mother. The jury found me not guilty. Wife sent a text to her lawyer who then texted back "SHIT!!!!!" The civil judge read her the riot act and the kids stayed with me. Finally I insisted on completing the divorce. After 20 years it was time to move on. I know that she has moved on too - I've seen some of her on line matches chosen for physical characteristics rather than brains.

My history up to this point validates much of the MGTOW train of thought. But more recent experience has further validated it for me. Now I'm older I'm no longer an ideal target for women. I'm not a bad looking guy so I've been able to date. I've had two longer term relationships. The first one told me that she was married only so that she could stay under the family health insurance. I ignored likely reality as she lived in an awesome house and she took good care of me - including insisting on paying for expensive trips. When I got the subpoena for a deposition that deal was over. Nothing like a subpoena to wake up the truth. Dating life largely sucks. I'm a COVID coward and it's been hell on my dating life. Women have repeatedly lied about being COVID safe to me. Most women over 50 are looking for someone who has greater financial resources than they have. If you have a large house, a nice car and boat, a large dick and are willing to spend lots of money on a woman you're good. Even I get laid every now and then.

What I need to get over is the need to have a woman as a love interest in my life which is why I'm here. Except in the event I need a care taker should I catch COVID.

Thank you for letting me participate.

Ghost

Hi Ghost,

You're welcome.

Well, that was an interesting read!

We had a prenup but I still had to make a substantial donation to her favorite charity which she used to buy her own house.

Geez, so she was her own favorite charity. No surprise there. Could you have legally challenged that as some type of misrepresentation, or would it have been too hard to prove?

In the settlement agreement I specified that the children had to live close to me so that 50/50 timesharing would work.

Smart move, as the women do move away as a ploy. As she tried to do to you. Twice.


Now, returning to the matter of this Intro, you have certainly fulfilled the first of the three numbered topics as listed in the How To Intro sticky.

But, you are not red pill. You're still "dating" and you acknowledge your dependency:

What I need to get over is the need to have a woman as a love interest in my life which is why I'm here.

So, you're not there yet. You're not MGTOW.

We are a MGTOW website. Membership on this site is for those men who, prior to registration, have already reached that point of being fed up and who no longer entertain hopes of an emotional relationship with a woman. We draw the line there, as there are many shades of "not fed up" and this site could otherwise eventually become no longer a site for like-minded men but a place where members in their degrees of "not fed up" (and any infiltrators) might argue the validity of women's POV. Plenty of other sites exist for that. Not us. We reserve such conversation for our sub-forum Nonmember Questions and Opposing Views where membership to post in that sub-forum is not required.

You indicate that you want/need exposure to us for our encouragement. Nonmembers can, as always, read all of our member sub-forums. So, our "outreach" to almost-red-pill fellows like you is read-only, not interactive, except for that nonmember section. We invite men, like you, who need fortification for their (awakening) red-pill awareness, to read our site for its wisdom and knowledge and, when that day comes when you know you are fed up and will no longer seek an emotional relationship with a woman (nor allow her to initiate one, very important) you can register here again and be able to complete all three items of the sticky.

I'll leave your account open for now in case you wish to make a final comment.

Thank you and good luck.

Dear Unboxxed:

You’ve read me very wrong. I’ve gone into considerable factual detail as to why I am MGTOW and how the application of MGTOW thought could have saved me from some considerable pain in my life. The ending of my intro is admittedly both in artful and inaccurate. It was meant to convey the thought that I was looking forward to interaction on the site. It was not a reflection on my feelings towards women. I’ve been fed up for a long time as you should know from my shared life experiences. I know and believe that any relationship, much less an emotional one, with a female is not in my future. I’m over it now. Given my experiences I hope to be an asset for this site and its members.

Ghost

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

Hi Ghost,

You're welcome.

Well, that was an interesting read!



Geez, so she was her own favorite charity. No surprise there. Could you have legally challenged that as some type of misrepresentation, or would it have been too hard to prove?



Smart move, as the women do move away as a ploy. As she tried to do to you. Twice.


Now, returning to the matter of this Intro, you have certainly fulfilled the first of the three numbered topics as listed in the How To Intro sticky.

But, you are not red pill. You're still "dating" and you acknowledge your dependency:



So, you're not there yet. You're not MGTOW.

We are a MGTOW website. Membership on this site is for those men who, prior to registration, have already reached that point of being fed up and who no longer entertain hopes of an emotional relationship with a woman. We draw the line there, as there are many shades of "not fed up" and this site could otherwise eventually become no longer a site for like-minded men but a place where members in their degrees of "not fed up" (and any infiltrators) might argue the validity of women's POV. Plenty of other sites exist for that. Not us. We reserve such conversation for our sub-forum Nonmember Questions and Opposing Views where membership to post in that sub-forum is not required.

You indicate that you want/need exposure to us for our encouragement. Nonmembers can, as always, read all of our member sub-forums. So, our "outreach" to almost-red-pill fellows like you is read-only, not interactive, except for that nonmember section. We invite men, like you, who need fortification for their (awakening) red-pill awareness, to read our site for its wisdom and knowledge and, when that day comes when you know you are fed up and will no longer seek an emotional relationship with a woman (nor allow her to initiate one, very important) you can register here again and be able to complete all three items of the sticky.

I'll leave your account open for now in case you wish to make a final comment.

Thank you and good luck.

Originally Posted by Ghost

Dear Unboxxed:

You’ve read me very wrong. I’ve gone into considerable factual detail as to why I am MGTOW and how the application of MGTOW thought could have saved me from some considerable pain in my life. The ending of my intro is admittedly both in artful and inaccurate. It was meant to convey the thought that I was looking forward to interaction on the site. It was not a reflection on my feelings towards women. I’ve been fed up for a long time as you should know from my shared life experiences. I know and believe that any relationship, much less an emotional one, with a female is not in my future. I’m over it now. Given my experiences I hope to be an asset for this site and its members.

Ghost

Hi Ghost,

Thank you for your clarification. We will proceed with your Intro but I want to offer perspective on two things you had said.

I’ve gone into considerable factual detail as to why I am MGTOW and how the application of MGTOW thought could have saved me from some considerable pain in my life.

I’ve been fed up for a long time as you should know from my shared life experiences.

I respectfully disagree with your characterization here. Your serial bad experiences do not indicate you've been fed up for a long time. Rather, it shows you have been taking their shit for a long time. To be fed up means you don't stay in it. You stayed in it. After your bad divorce you had two longer term relationships, you wrote. That's not being fed up. That's known as getting back on that horse. Your description of dating during Covid after receiving that epiphanic subpoena certainly doesn't pin it down that there weren't more blue pill attempts from you to get with women during that time. So when did you get fed up, actually? Sometime after that subpoena and before the moment of your second post here.

If you are fed up, if you have had enough, then you became fed up after having taken their shit for a long time. You don't get credit for being fed up for all that time while you were still eating their shit and chasing for more. Just sayin' a point of logic, and I should not have known otherwise.

I should also point out, please do not think that providing considerable factual detail automatically informs us that you are MGTOW. It doesn't. We receive Intros from men who tell us as much as you have, but then seek to get back on that horse again. They think our site is a place to commiserate and have fellowship in their continued search for "the one". Nope. Lots of guys get burned and go on to get married again. You and I both know that. You wrote your bad experiences then said how you have trouble dating (you included present tense language), followed by a statement which you now regard as inaccurate.

I couldn't tell you apart from those guys, and the Intro is a screening process. Nicely, you have now clarified yourself with unequivocal language.

Well and good. Thank you.

It's possible that had you followed our How to Intro format, this misunderstanding may have been avoided. I see you still have discussion points #2 and 3 to address, in whole or in part:

2. Awareness: your previous blue pill perspectives, how you transitioned to red pill, with enough detail about what brought you to MGTOW.

This would have made you type out your transition. Your "I was this, now I am that".

Let's see, what's left on this point... How about you tell us when in your timeline of bad experiences that you became Red Pill (got fed up)? Also, how did you learn of our website?


3. Who you are: tell us a little bit of who you are. What you like, what you do, etc.

Please respond to this point.


Thank you.

Hi Ghost. I'll give you a big, free red pill: Covid is horse shit! Stop worrying about catching the sniffles.

Originally Posted by happybachelor

Hi Ghost. I'll give you a big, free red pill: Covid is horse shit! Stop worrying about catching the sniffles.

The 500,000 people killed to date in the US would disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Ghost

Unboxxed you have done an awesome job with this site. You have a very difficult job and you take your responsibility very seriously. You have all of my respect.

Good luck going forward.

Ghost


Last edited by Ghost; Today at 4:38 PM.

Well, thank you. Although I can't help but wonder if my very exactitude was a turn-off for you.

Hmm... You are on the brink of membership, something you wanted, but you have now removed your Intro and replaced it with the above, an apparent farewell.

I say apparent because one never knows the minds of men. Which means, I won't decide just yet what you are thinking in terms of membership, so I'll leave your account open a bit longer, in case you surprise me again, and because you were so gracious in what you just wrote.

Much of what this prospective member says rings true with me. I don’t doubt his honesty.

But there were a couple of things:

I'm a COVID coward and it's been hell on my dating life. Women have repeatedly lied about being COVID safe to me. Most women over 50 are looking for someone who has greater financial resources than they have. If you have a large house, a nice car and boat, a large dick and are willing to spend lots of money on a woman you're good. Even I get laid every now and then.

Even though I believe that most of the shit around Covid is at the least exaggerated, I know a few that believe otherwise. They are terrified. What I don’t get is how you know that women have lied to you about being “Covid safe”! Does this mean that you believe they had Covid and were willing to infect you? If so, how do you know?

What I need to get over is the need to have a woman as a love interest in my life which is why I'm here. Except in the event I need a care taker should I catch COVID.

It has occasionally crossed my mind, as a person living alone, that I would be in the shit should I ever need some description of carer (Covid or otherwise – we all become infirm eventually). I sympathise (or should that be empathise). However, that future potential need should not cloud your judgement with regards the facts about women.

They are what they are. Stay clear from any sort of dependency on them. You will be MUCH happier.

Originally Posted by happybachelor
Hi Ghost. I'll give you a big, free red pill: Covid is horse shit! Stop worrying about catching the sniffles.



The 500,000 people killed to date in the US would disagree with you.

When you take and internalise the red pill you will that much of what we are told is complete bullshit.

If you aren't a woman you are probably too blue for this site.

And reading your intro you sound about as Ghost like as Coco the Clown.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

I won't decide just yet what you are thinking in terms of membership, so I'll leave your account open a bit longer,

No visits from him since Feb 22. I've now decided.

Intro process abandoned. Account closed.

(((SLAM)))

Door hits ass.

Nice!