Thread: Does anyone have trouble ghosting in plain sight?

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

It is just harder for me to care more about what people think. I even find myself talking to myself quite a bit more. My father does it and I have started to do it too. No I don't think there is anyone talking back. No I don't hear voices. It is a way for me to just compartmentalize my thoughts and see how they sound out loud. The problem is that I tend to care less and less what people think and have found myself talking to myself out in public. In places at Walmart, I would find myself getting mad and the dumbest stuff and voicing in kind of loud. Once I have really accepted the fact that most people are shit, I find myself having a great disdain for these sheep. I find myself not worrying what people think and sometimes show my anger a bit more than I used to. There are people who are even being nice or polite and I find myself angry at them sometimes.

Anyways, I hope this makes a bit of sense.

Yes, I can see it since I do it too even vocalising the internal dialogue. I'd like to think that at least I get a sensible conversation that way but oft-times my mind doesn't agree and still wants to vere-off into creative ifs, buts and maybe's.

Some MGTOW report that in accepting things how they are (rather than how we wished they were) due to having discussed the nature of the beast, accepted it and thereby tamed it somewhat, they get to 'shrug the monkey off their back' and I have a theory that they lose the 10,000 yard stare that we can all develope and smile at life a bit more and that is why (in my theory) that many MGTOW report that they seem to become attractive to not only the usual suspects but to ordinary folks who would've been put-off by the previous demeanour from even saying "hello".

In an older extinct forum I posted that thanks to MGTOW and realising that I wasn't so alone and that "its not me, its them but I play a part in that" that "I was no longer at war" because thats what everyday had felt like.

Anyway, I still got sucker-punched but at least a small bit of the world was a bit friendlier but one such punch was getting accidentally diagnosed with hypertension which was me being at war with myself dues to basically not getting enough good nutrition. A change of diet to a more nutritious one (and less alcohol) made another biiiiig difference to the old 'internal peace conference'.

I reckon that folks can play a much bigger part in our own suffering than we give ourselves credit for.

Check-out everybody elses demeanours and '10,000 yard stares' and I bet the majority look like they're suffering, just about still game or pretending.

When I see them I feel a bit joyful and thats not to delight in their suffering or shadenfreud but to know that at least we sussed-out the script a bit and can conduct ourselves away from that shit.

I'm not trying to say that any of this is so in your or anyone elses case but just that I've been there in the past and in retrospect I didn't have to go far to look my enemy and the source of whats wrong with the in the eye.

All I had to do was look in the mirror.

+AdTheBad...
That was a very insightful and thought-provoking post. Thanks for sharing it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who voices their internal monologue out loud.

I am glad others brought this up but ghosting doesn't mean you avoid confrontation all the time. It just means you are more selective when to engage and disengage with the world and the people around you.

When to engage people and when not to is a social nuance and requires a calibration of those social senses. It requires practice, patience, and as it has been said a bit of stoicism. Throw in some cynicism and also a positive attitude and that is a recipe for success. Self confidence in that you can tackle the world on your own terms along is very liberating as a ghost.

It is hardest to ghost when family is critical of all the choices you make in your life. But if you reveal your thoughts to these family members as it has been said they will actually become more belligerent. And with your thinking process these family members will more often attack these ideas as foreign, unconventional or not normal. Basically, some family members are looking to start a fight because they see your contentment and happiness and can not comprehend how you are able to have that without following the formula they have been indoctrinated with.

I avoid confrontation with family members trying to put down my self esteem and telling me how to live my life. But if they insist on attacking me personally, yeah I will defend myself. I prefer not to have arguments with family but if they insist on a fight of the intellectual mind, body and spirit so be it. That is one fight they can not win against a ghost that has a love of life, freedom and peace.

Living your way of life the way you want is the great equalizer. Over time you can tell who is pulling ahead in life and who has fallen behind. I have witnessed this in my own family where those heavily critical of my approach to life are now grasping for life preservers due to poor financial planning.

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

I am glad others brought this up but ghosting doesn't mean you avoid confrontation all the time. It just means you are more selective when to engage and disengage with the world and the people around you.

I guess it is a question of picking one's battles. Is this person even worth trying to convince or argue with? I am often conflicted with not trying to change someone's mind with an idea versus being extremely vocal and defending my own ideas. I think that ghosting in plain sight is really a survival strategy at the end of the day. Sometimes it is stifling for me to do so because I would love to just be myself in front of anyone but unfortunately, reality makes that impossible.

One word: poise

Go through life with poise. And for bonus points, remember that fashion is the armor of today.

For instance I've started adding more blue-pill bling and rainbows to my wardrobe because in this neighborhood, that look will get you farther than trying to "blend in" with older straight white men. And when I know I'll be someplace surrounded by older straight white men, I'll tone it down and dress like them. Be a chameleon.

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

Good afternoon my friendly ghosts,

I have been having a struggle as of late. I am feeling an increasing frustration with seeing things wrong with the world around me and not saying anything. I am finding it difficult to turn a blind eye sometimes when I hear someone say, "We need more socialism so these people can get a living wage." It pisses me off and I find myself getting more and more vocal in giving my very detailed opinion in these matters. As a white-collar worker, this can be very bad if you even hint that you are not a content worker drone.

Without divulging the details I almost went too far today when I stood up for myself and someone jokingly mentioned "HR" as if they would report me to it (just a joke man). A joke? In 2019? The year of #me-too? You make a joke like this and you don't know why that would piss me off? "Just a joke man. You're too sensitive." I almost got stung today by the blue-pilled world and it is a reminder on why I keep my cards to my chest and ghost in the first place. It is just getting hard sometimes to keep my mouth shut and pretend to be a zombie all day.

Does anyone here have any mental practices to enter the matrix as a ghost from day-to-day? Maybe any sort of meditation techniques?

Does anyone have any advice on how to maintain an indifferent attitude even though you hear opinions you disagree with?

Any thoughts or ideas are always welcome and I look forward to your guys' response.

Cheers,




Bonobo

I wanted to point out something that may have been overlooked with the guy that threatened you with H.R.

It's just that you said it was said in a joking manner. I would like to suggest, without knowing the full extent of the conversation I hasten to add, that maybe this guy was trying to give you a friendly warning. You imply that you were angry and simply had to react. Maybe the guy was trying to warn you to calm down in his own possibly inept way because he didn't want to see you get into trouble. Just a thought.


I've been offline for a few days due to a visit from my brother. He's very blue-pill but at least open to discussion, but even with him, someone I've known all my life, I still have to be careful when speaking of such matters because I don't want him to believe I can't have a conversation without bringing women and gynocracy into it for fear of him just tuning out.

Sometimes people talk such shit that the natural impulse is to immediately jump in and point it out in no uncertain terms. However with a bit of practice you can teach yourself other methods to combat these people. Instead of jumping in with a naturally aggressive response, these days I take a breath and ask them: "Sorry, I must have missed something, can you explain that to me?" or some such question.
Now they usually have a seemingly reasonable answer for this view, but it's only on the surface - they rarely have thought the whole thing through. After a few more questions they usually back off caught in a nightmare of their own (il)logic.

Now I don't know if this benefits me over the long term. Some people take umbrage for pointing out their lack, but some come back and want to talk more on the subject.

The main point here is that most of us can't realistically go off grid. Ghosting in plain sight is the next alternative because to operate within society we need MONEY. The need for your very survival, from shitting, drinking, eating and using the internet, there is no real alternative to getting a job and paying your way through life.

Of course, that means interacting with the blue pill world and keeping your nerve when they spout their gynyvolous bullshit. At the end of the day, your opinion of their views is just that, an opinion. We all do it, but its best not to get caught up in a web of views because, at the end of the day, opinions aren't necessarily exemplars of reality as it stands. Phenomena do not work according to our likes and dislikes.

That being said, don't try to shun your anger when it arises either. Just see it for what it is, it is a chance for you to learn why it arises and from there you can learn to dissolve it.

What else can be said of ghosting? We live in the gynarchy, we're inevitably going to have to jump though some hoops. Its about picking your battles carefully though. May be join in with the gynyvolous bullshit from time to time. Have some fun, laugh a little inside at the absurdity of it all. Most of all, don't forget the freedom you have of ghosting in plain sight. Have some pity on the poor schmucks that have to prattle around their "fairer" half's whimsical bullshit.

Jesus Christ fellas, the friggin bullets we've dodged to be ghosts. It feels amazing to be part of this community.

Today, I label myself a "ghost". In my youth, I would have been labeled a "loner". The traits of a loner are advantageous to the ghosting lifestyle. I've built a life and reputation for myself brick by brick. 14 hour day to 14 hour day. I don't need to call myself a workaholic, it's plainly obvious. This is an advantage. When the sheep gather in a flock to discuss their blue pill lives, I'm consistently too busy to participate.

I've been at my current job site for two years. My co workers know extremely little about my life outside of work. My political or personal opinions on social matters. My relationship history. Why I'm single. Why I don't seek to fuck the available Whymn at work. NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

This is a double edged sword. Now that I have deprived them of any information about me, they will grasp on whatever I share and tell everyone. So now when I speak to these guys (don't speak to whimyn in the workplace when it can be avoided) I imagine how it would be perceived taken out of context or publicized and adjust accordingly.

Due to my no nonsense demeanor, I have never been challenged to share personal opinions that could be used against me. If and when this occurs, I have a plan. I will shut it down swiftly with HR buzzwords. If the conversation is sex, "that's not appropriate for the workplace". If the conversation is politics, "I don't discuss politics in the workplace". If the question is my relationship status, "I don't discuss romantic relationships in the workplace". Basically, SHUT IT DOWN.

The counterbalance to this stringent adherence to not compromising my career by sharing controversial opinions is that in work matters, I casually take risks that others are too cowardly to. I will use profanity in team meetings, on the work radio, with upper management. This lends an aura of authenticity. My performance buys me a "get out of vulgar language prohibition card".

You can write your own legend. You can engineer your own reputation. Day by day. Action by action. Word by word. Even words not spoken.

Originally Posted by AdTheBad

Some MGTOW report that in accepting things how they are (rather than how we wished they were) due to having discussed the nature of the beast, accepted it and thereby tamed it somewhat, they get to 'shrug the monkey off their back' and I have a theory that they lose the 10,000 yard stare that we can all develope and smile at life a bit more and that is why (in my theory) that many MGTOW report that they seem to become attractive to not only the usual suspects but to ordinary folks who would've been put-off by the previous demeanour from even saying "hello".

I was re-reading some of my previous posts and came you your response. I noticed from your profile you're from the UK. Please be safe over there.

This little tidbit I wanted to acknowledge from your post stood out to me. I really want to get into that "not giving a F**k" attitude. Turd Flinging Monkey has a good video series call "The Zen of ZFG". As much as I try, I find it hard to shrug everything off sometimes like it doesn't matter. I would like to but it's hard sometimes.

Originally Posted by Puggsy

What else can be said of ghosting? We live in the gynarchy, we're inevitably going to have to jump though some hoops. Its about picking your battles carefully though. May be join in with the gynyvolous bullshit from time to time. Have some fun, laugh a little inside at the absurdity of it all. Most of all, don't forget the freedom you have of ghosting in plain sight. Have some pity on the poor schmucks that have to prattle around their "fairer" half's whimsical bullshit.

I wish that I didn't have to be apart of this society but I'm not skilled enough to live in a cabin in the woods either. So unfortunately, I need to play the game so-to-speak.

As you pointed out, it could be worst. Ghosting provides an entertainment sometimes when you see the simps deferring to their wives on Lowes products or at Walmart asking for permission. I don't get satisfaction at another man's slavery but if I'm honest, I think some men were meant to be slaves. I smile when I see this because I'm glad I don't have a nagging harpy to answer to. It's not a perfect world but ghosting can protect you from a lot of it.

Had shopping to do today. I left early, before women were out of bed. Missed the traffic and the crowds. Got all I needed, and was home before the blue pill types got their show on the road. Tell me again how great family life is, would you?

Originally Posted by frog

Had shopping to do today. I left early, before women were out of bed. Missed the traffic and the crowds. Got all I needed, and was home before the blue pill types got their show on the road. Tell me again how great family life is, would you?

I hear that, frog! There's rush hour, and there's my hour, the two never collide and I never sit in TRAFFIC!

Originally Posted by frog

Had shopping to do today. I left early, before women were out of bed. Missed the traffic and the crowds. Got all I needed, and was home before the blue pill types got their show on the road. Tell me again how great family life is, would you?

One of the great things about being a ghost is that you can work different hours than most blue-pillers and get your shopping done. You no longer have to be in the same store as the manginas and their fat wives. You live by your own rules.

Originally Posted by frog

Had shopping to do today. I left early, before women were out of bed. Missed the traffic and the crowds. Got all I needed, and was home before the blue pill types got their show on the road. Tell me again how great family life is, would you?

That is so true. Its nice to get in before the crowds, there's some serenity to getting up early and out to the shops when there is hardly anybody around. Especially on a nice sunny morning in the winter.

Alot like Manuallaborer, I was a loner most of my life. Undiagnosed Asperger's made me an outcast back then, and I'm little better off today. Part of the reason I glommed on so hard to SJW'ism is because I had nowhere else to turn. Anyways, I woke up this morning in an uncharacteristically happy mood. Just feeling great, I think because I ate well before bed and it's been a week since I donated plasma. The loss of 1.5 liters of tissue is waaaaaay harder on me than I expected. Emotionally dysregulation, black moods, the whole thing. No way to make a living.. Anyways...

Okay, so I've been ghosting (as a regular human) my entire life. Since I'm socially withdrawn anyways, people tend to avoid me too. They don't like it, alot think your aloof or obnoxious, but it really can't be avoided. So I've gotten tons of practice at "passing", on the short-term. I can appear normal for brief periods of time. Here's how.

You need to construct an alternate persona, -exactly- like a false personality. This persona is a construct of what is socially-acceptable, blue-pill to the max, and it helps if you construct them off of a symbolic archetype. Think of all the stereotypical male roles in your locale. Redneck? Barfly? Biker? Egghead?... See what I mean? This world is literally an open-air stage where everyone plays a version of themselves designed to satisfy social norms before going home and bawling. Just as people portray "the perfect life" on facebook, so do they in everyday.

Your problem is your authenticity. You are displaying your true self, and I don't blame you, because your true-self sure beats the shit out of a goddamn simp. But you gotta have a "simp" personality constructed.

Rule #1: It is often better to let others be wrong. If you don't gain from correcting them, don't correct them. They won't listen anyways.
Rule #2: Keep your lies as close to the truth as possible. That way it "checks out"... Imagine who you would be without MGTOW, and play that person.
Rule #3: Relax and remember that MGTOW is an ideology, but it is not "the main event" in your life. I'm going to write another post about this soon, just need to get some time.

As someone with actual real multiple-personalities, trust me that this works. We've had to play "Bluepill DCK" everyday, all our lives, no matter who's got the reins. It's a matter of freedom and survival.

Enjoy...

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

Does anyone have any advice on how to maintain an indifferent attitude even though you hear opinions you disagree with?

"Say as little as possible to as few people as possible as seldom as possible and always avoid eye contact"

Remind yourself that engaging anyone who disagrees with you is ultimately a waste of time. I just tell myself that "You can't fix stupid" so there is no logical or rational reason to argue with someone unless it's a life or death type of situation. I know and understand how frustrating it can be keeping your face shut but it serves no practical purpose to engage stupid people. Just venting here online I think is a satisfactory alternative...

Originally Posted by Autolite

"Say as little as possible to as few people as possible as seldom as possible and always avoid eye contact"

Remind yourself that engaging anyone who disagrees with you is ultimately a waste of time. I just tell myself that "You can't fix stupid" so there is no logical or rational reason to argue with someone unless it's a life or death type of situation. I know and understand how frustrating it can be keeping your face shut but it serves no practical purpose to engage stupid people. Just venting here online I think is a satisfactory alternative...

Quite true. I work with some people that like to talk an awful lot. They bring up political issues an awful bit and sometimes I just can't help myself to chime in. I know it's not the smartest but I'm respectful about it.

You are right that this is the place to vent. I am grateful there are like-minded people here.

Well what you must recognize is that most people are not interested in looking deeper into the issues as they look at things from a "blue pill lens". And thus they form their own worldview and opinions based on what is programmed into them from mass media.

So yeah arguing with anyone that has been programmed to repeat what is said from mass media is futile.

But staying in "stealth mode" has perks of being seen as the professional one in a business setting or at a family function. Ironically people will treat you like an alpha and lay out the red carpet all because you kept what you think to yourself. That is true power which I think is what one of the books encourages people to do (The 48 laws of power).

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

Does anyone here have any mental practices to enter the matrix as a ghost from day-to-day? Maybe any sort of meditation techniques?

Does anyone have any advice on how to maintain an indifferent attitude even though you hear opinions you disagree with?

Yes. I repeat a little phrase about 10 or 15 times in my head whenever I deal with people who do or say stupid things. I find that is very helpful in relieving me of any annoyance and anger. In fact, it put me in a good mood! My personal phrase is "ignore the retarded cunt". Now you can formulate any phrase you want, as long as it's meaningful and impactful to you.

After you do it for a while, your brain goes into autopilot mode and the phrase pops up and runs in your head without you even doing it consciously.

What I don't do, is engage the retarded cunt. He is not going to listen, he is not going to understand, and all that does is frustrate the shit out of you.

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

I am finding it difficult to turn a blind eye sometimes when I hear someone say, "We need more socialism so these people can get a living wage."

See, only a retarded cunt would say something like that. Just look at the guy in the face and repeat the phrase over and over in your head. When you disengage all you know is that he is a retarded cunt and you don't even remember what he said.

Ps. Be careful not to say it out loud. That happens sometimes ...