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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Do I have the symptoms?

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    Let them call us what they want.

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    I think I qualify for the Peter Pan Title. I invested over 3000 Bucks in Computer and Gaming Stuff in the last couple of months, and Zero Bucks in Dating.

    Neverland, here I come !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBlue View Post
    You know what I find interesting?

    If a woman has a problem, society tells us to ask her how she feels. Why does she feel that way. Is there anything we can do to help. Let's talk about how you feel. It is the feelings that count.

    Men currently have a problem that is causing them to avoid marriage and cohabitation. The trend is rising. Instead of asking men why, feminists are inventing reasons of their own. Nobody is bothering to do a survey asking men, why do you not want to get married? How do you feel about that? Why do you feel that way?

    This is why they say men do not want to grow up, men live at home and play video games etc etc. They don't know the truth and they don't want to know the truth.
    It's worse than that, whenever they do ask a man, his answer is just dismissed because vagina.

    To what Ube was talking about, I'm in a similar boat. I make good money, have minimal debts and even whilst still paying those debts off, I save at least 10% of my wage every year and last year, I just bought a second car for $5k cash just because.

    A wife and kids would be nice, but the liability is just too much. It's too easy to become a debt slave which is not something I want. Not to mention that kids are nothing more than just an expensive hobby these days.

    I don't even care about how toxic women are, I care about the laws that empower them to fuck you over if they ever go crazy. Without alimony and the wholly unjust child support payment system, I'd consider it, but then again, growing up in a world with these horrible laws would always make me scared they would change them again once I was trapped. I imagine the guys who were married and then no fault divorce came along felt duped....

    Anyhoo, great piece Jagr
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    The ironic thing is the more they use shaming language the more male spaces start to grow in the shadows of the tree of life. Reality is that men are choosing to go their own way because this leads to self derived worth. Worth, or value, that has strings attached by a society in general means that if you accept you become a puppet.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Alik, the last person I heard crowing about that, like that, was a ladyboy at Nana Plaza in Bangkok.

    ... Erm ... is there something we ought to know about this?

    ON EDIT: No, no, no, Alik, I'm just teasing you!
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Reading through some of the replies in this post, it is not that women label men as "Peter Pan-syndome suffering people", but it's the fact that they express this opinion (or anything that stands as synonymous, including immaturity, being a manchild etc over the great majority of men, like it's a fact widely accepted.

    I personally don't suffer right now, nor will I ever do. Whenever I open my wallet and see that I don't even have the equivalent of a nickel in my wallet, and when in the rare occasion I go out, I see the obvious prostitutes who earn in 2 nights more than my mum or my dad make in a month, I am not even a nautical mile close to being a sufferer with that syndrome, because once you realise how hard you have to work in general to not be living either piss poor or on welfare, that's when you realise you're more grown up than a lot of people living in the West.
    Women in return will never grow up, and this is true especially in the West for a lot of them, because they will never see how you get thrown under the bus by your government (eg. getting drafted for military), or when you have to work in buttfuck nowhere, earning money that you rarely indulge into the things you afford, and how in case you are considered the head of the family, be the liable individual for everything (even for the wife, even if she's considered an adult), you really have to meet a certain criteria of being either very naive or be given so much money that you never care where they go (like money from parents who own businesses or have Warren Buffett's number).
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    "Women want things that you don't need"

    ^ There's a lot of truth in that statement.

    In reality, I don't need the three bedroom house in which I live. I don't need most of the furniture. I don't need the car, the fancy clothes, the savings account, the "high flying" job, etc, etc, etc.

    Don't get me wrong. I enjoy my modest success. But it really is mostly useless shit that's intended to impress a female enough in order to have a family.

    Or at least it *was*, fifty or so years ago.

    We're all still running the old software - the program to protect and provide - but it's outdated and no longer functions properly in this Brave New World.

    As Dalrock said, beta providers are "strip mined" by the modern woman. Unless you're a "high end beta", you stand to lose everything you've worked for and will likely do so before any children you may have reach double digit years in age.

    Men aren't suffering with "Peter Pan Syndrome" - they're displaying the traits of wisdom and maturity. The judgement to see a bad deal for what it is. To know a con is about to be played. To sense and process a situation and then avoid potential danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VLazarusC View Post
    Reading through some of the replies in this post, it is not that women label men as "Peter Pan-syndome suffering people", but it's the fact that they express this opinion (or anything that stands as synonymous, including immaturity, being a manchild etc over the great majority of men, like it's a fact widely accepted.

    I personally don't suffer right now, nor will I ever do. Whenever I open my wallet and see that I don't even have the equivalent of a nickel in my wallet, and when in the rare occasion I go out, I see the obvious prostitutes who earn in 2 nights more than my mum or my dad make in a month, I am not even a nautical mile close to being a sufferer with that syndrome, because once you realise how hard you have to work in general to not be living either piss poor or on welfare, that's when you realise you're more grown up than a lot of people living in the West.
    Women in return will never grow up, and this is true especially in the West for a lot of them, because they will never see how you get thrown under the bus by your government (eg. getting drafted for military), or when you have to work in buttfuck nowhere, earning money that you rarely indulge into the things you afford, and how in case you are considered the head of the family, be the liable individual for everything (even for the wife, even if she's considered an adult), you really have to meet a certain criteria of being either very naive or be given so much money that you never care where they go (like money from parents who own businesses or have Warren Buffett's number).
    Thats a nice new term dude the obvious prostitutes ​, should be used more often .
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alik Sakharov View Post
    Thats a nice new term dude the obvious prostitutes ​, should be used more often .
    Really, there are a lot here and for a new person they're not that easy to spot. The general pointer is when you hear a man and a woman talk, the guy talks with an accent close to an English Native or exactly as one, but the woman next to him pulls a perfect, typical Eastern European accent (no joke, and no offense). Ukrainian and Russian girls in particular are guilty of this, and the prices as far as I know rival the prices in Nevada brothels, and only a bit lower than California Asian escorts.

    Now tell me here who is the immature one: the one who makes as much as a decent banker in a month (not really the norm, but indicative), who "works" one night and can buy the equivalent of 2 iPhone 6+'s with max memory, or the one who has to suck up to different people for business financing, the one who loses sleep over how well he does his job/manages a business, the one who had to put up with the liberalism (now cultural marxism) in university, the one who can't resort to doing porn to pay for his university loans, mainly thanks to self-respect? Food for thought.

    Me and others said it before, a lot of women are overgrown children; the ones who are dominated by the id, with a fragile ego, and a non-existent super-ego.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikediver View Post
    I guess it can never be repeated too often; women are incapable of understanding cause and effect. This is due to never having had to suffer the consequences of bad actions or decisions.
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    Do I have the symptoms?

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    .. and hopefully this week my 1st set of VR-Glasses should be in the mailbox.

    Childfree, femalefree, mortgagefree, debtfree and maybe a few hundred bucks spent on women in the last decade.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikediver View Post
    His modest proposal is as follows:
    Such a great little essay. The nub of the essay is when he says "my modest proposal is so sensible and reasonable that we don't need to think about other stupid and absurd ideas like these:"

    Therefore let no man talk to me of other expedients: Of taxing our absentees at five shillings a pound: Of using neither cloaths, nor houshold furniture, except what is of our own growth and manufacture: Of utterly rejecting the materials and instruments that promote foreign luxury: Of curing the expensiveness of pride, vanity, idleness, and gaming in our women: Of introducing a vein of parsimony, prudence and temperance: Of learning to love our country, wherein we differ even from Laplanders, and the inhabitants of Topinamboo: Of quitting our animosities and factions, nor acting any longer like the Jews, who were murdering one another at the very moment their city was taken: Of being a little cautious not to sell our country and consciences for nothing: Of teaching landlords to have at least one degree of mercy towards their tenants. Lastly, of putting a spirit of honesty, industry, and skill into our shop-keepers, who, if a resolution could now be taken to buy only our native goods, would immediately unite to cheat and exact upon us in the price, the measure, and the goodness, nor could ever yet be brought to make one fair proposal of just dealing, though often and earnestly invited to it.

    Therefore I repeat, let no man talk to me of these and the like expedients, 'till he hath at least some glympse of hope, that there will ever be some hearty and sincere attempt to put them into practice.
    Funny as hell.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    As for Peter Pan: I have a massive collection of WoTC miniatures, play D&D twice a week, own a scooter not a car and live in a crummy flat that people are shocked at how cheap my rent is.

    I have 75k that I can get to with 10 days notice. I think my retirement was quarter of a mill, last time I looked.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    I believe that men are not suffering from Peter Pan Syndrome, but rather are enjoying it thoroughly.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by ubermensch View Post
    "Women want things that you don't need"

    ^ There's a lot of truth in that statement.

    In reality, I don't need the three bedroom house in which I live.
    Truth be told, when I'm living on my own, I don't need a bedroom. Why waste an entire room just for sleeping in? I really only need a large living/dining/sleeping area, and adjoining kitchen area, and a bathroom and closet. So that's three rooms. I once had an apartment, cheapest I could get, and it basically had a living/dining room, bedroom and bathroom.

    The bathroom was the room I walked through to get to the bathroom. I never slept in it. I used it for storage. I slept on my futon in the living room, where all my stuff is.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by hooch View Post
    I think I qualify for the Peter Pan Title. I invested over 3000 Bucks in Computer and Gaming Stuff in the last couple of months, and Zero Bucks in Dating.

    Neverland, here I come !
    You know, that's a pretty good investment.

    You video games won't cease playing because they have a headache, are depressed, don't feel sexy, etc. They also won't stay out at the bar all night letting everyone in town except you play on them.

    Yes, video games are a good investment. You actually get what was promised when you decided to invest.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    “It is not uncommon to walk into the hottest new West Village bistro on a Saturday night and find five smartly dressed young women dining together—the nearest man the waiter. Income equality, or superiority, for women muddles the old, male-dominated dating structure.”

    Is that right? A big win for women? They have degrees and "JOBS" now so they are out wearing the latest fashions, driving cute cars and crossover SUVs, and spending $100 on lunch at fine bistros because of multiple bottles of wine?

    Here is why they think they can afford to do that. When women worked at cafes pouring coffee they wanted a man to make at least 2x to 3x what she did. This was necessary just to ensure a roof could be kept over everyone's head. Her income was very important because without it, it was probably the kids who would suffer first. Quality of clothing, food etc., school activities.

    Fast forward 30 years. Women have degrees now. Jobs. But why are they going into the toilet financially month after month and amassing debt? NO PROBLEM! When they've had their fun, they take their debt and join up with a man who's making 2x to 3x what she is, and BAM. Her debt is gone and her lifestyle is now sustainable. He gives UP the difference and she ABSORBS the difference. He makes 66 to 75% of the money - she will eventually control 75% - 90% of the money - and still whine because there is never enough and she will never get FULL control over it.

    This has made me think about this abundance / scarcity thing. Dr. Glover (No more mister nice guy) wants us to think more like the socialist women do: in abundance. There is no limit to what you can get. There is no limit to what *THEY* have. There is no limit to what *YOU* can get from *THEM*.

    Because vagina.

    But men, we often come from a place of scarcity. First off, we don't like to live in debt like women do. For women, money is numbers. The difference between savings and debt is the color of the ink, or the "dash" in front. It means relatively nothing to them. After all, "What's money if you are not ENJOYING YOUR LIFE." In their mind, living within your means is simply a nicety. You don't SACRIFICE if you don't have the means, oh god no. You need to GET/HAVE/DO what the other ladies are doing. If the man is not able to provide the funds to make up the difference, then he's not doing HIS job. Her job is to plan a steady stream of activities, gatherings, parties and shopping excursions. Men on the other hand, we know that there are limits. There are limits on time. Money. Income. Energy. We know we need to BUDGET and allocate resources wisely and sometimes scrupulously. This makes women discontent. (Think: Child being told they have to wait until AFTER supper to have iced cream, and later being told they can only have 1 scoop, and a tantrum ensues.) Women do NOT like to believe in limits of any kind when it comes to their wants and desires. They really all do think they have princess status (because vagina) and are entitled to everything their little heart desires.

    So, the blue pillers want us to play along with Abundance theory and just throw caution to the wind.

    Fuck that. My income is limited because I refuse to work 80 hours per week and not see my kids grow up. I refuse to take a higher paying job that takes me out of town on remote sites or travelling regularly because that will also not allow me to be part of my kids lives.

    Women don't CARE if the men bond with the children. (Most women don't care if THEY don't bond with children either, they have other needs and desires which need to be filled). Women want him working long hours why? (a) He's making more and (b) he's not around to control or limit her spending.

    Many men I've known work out of town and they come home to a disgusting pile of credit card bills - purchases of "retail therapy crap" that is horrifically overpriced and only satiates her need to ACQUIRE for a few hours at best. Ever notice that women come into the house all happy and smiles after shopping but about 2 hours later they're in fight mode? They don't have the emotional intelligence to realize that their shopping therapy DOES NOT WORK and they are as miserable as they were when they were driving to the mall.

    Their life of fun, playing and material acquisition makes them feel empty. Unfulfilled. Lost.

    Can they take an inward look and perhaps consider a few different reasons WHY THAT MIGHT BE?

    No. They cannot.
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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    [FONT=Arial]This has made me think about this abundance / scarcity thing. Dr. Glover (No more mister nice guy) wants us to think more like the socialist women do: in abundance. There is no limit to what you can get. There is no limit to what *THEY* have. There is no limit to what *YOU* can get from *THEM*.

    Because vagina.
    I was a member of that forum in 2005 when it was the only thing remotely purple pill. The members weren't Dr Glover talking parrots. Lot's of what could be called red pill advice (with 20/20 hindsight) had nothing to do with that book. I always hated the abundance theory. I used to say, "yeah, for the top 20% of men, maybe there is abundance. But if you aren't part of that club, you are getting the leftovers that the 20% used up or never even chose to bang when given the chance in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    But men, we often come from a place of scarcity. First off, we don't like to live in debt like women do.
    Thanks for saying that word, scarcity. The mentality that discussed me on that forum was this "you're coming from a SCARCITY MENTALITY." Now within limits, yeah that comment is good for waking up a pussy whipped virtually cuckolded Blue Pill moron.

    But the whole implication that men must keep on jumping through hoops for these women. This whole "then you must even try harder to be an IM (Dr Glover's word for alpha, which was Integrated Male...it's a relief not to hear the overused alpha word...dumb wannabe science or something.)

    Lot's of pussy whipped married guys who took back their wives who not only cheated on them, but with their best friends of all people. If that is being their version of a recovered Nice Guy, then leave me OUT, please!
    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    For women, money is numbers. The difference between savings and debt is the color of the ink, or the "dash" in front. It means relatively nothing to them. After all, "What's money if you are not ENJOYING YOUR LIFE." In their mind, living within your means is simply a nicety. You don't SACRIFICE if you don't have the means, oh god no. You need to GET/HAVE/DO what the other ladies are doing. If the man is not able to provide the funds to make up the difference, then he's not doing HIS job. Her job is to plan a steady stream of activities, gatherings, parties and shopping excursions.
    My younger brother married his college sweetheard, paid off not only her college debt but her credit card debts too! Yet the women decides that teaching was the wrong degree and is almost got a degree in being a veterinarian. If it works out great. If not, if she dumps him afterwards, then he would've wasted four years paying off a second college degree of hers while she went to school hundreds of miles away the whole time. Kind of like the woman who puts a man through college only to get dumped once be becomes a doctor. I hope this does not happen to him. But I have my doubts. Like I said to my Mom who can't stand her either, "I hope she does HER end of the bargain once she gets her degree, if you know what I mean."
    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    Men on the other hand, we know that there are limits. There are limits on time. Money. Income. Energy. We know we need to BUDGET and allocate resources wisely and sometimes scrupulously. This makes women discontent. (Think: Child being told they have to wait until AFTER supper to have iced cream, and later being told they can only have 1 scoop, and a tantrum ensues.) Women do NOT like to believe in limits of any kind when it comes to their wants and desires. They really all do think they have princess status (because vagina) and are entitled to everything their little heart desires.

    So, the blue pillers want us to play along with Abundance theory and just throw caution to the wind.
    Those men are fools and glorified Johns. Dorks getting used to me. The whole Alpha fux/Beta bux thing. Why would anyone sign up for that? In an abundance theory ala Dr Glover, a man should just be able to walk away from a woman who is transparently trying to exploit him because there are in theory 3.5 billion other women in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious_Sid View Post
    Insidious_Sid;61046]Fuck that. My income is limited because I refuse to work 80 hours per week and not see my kids grow up. I refuse to take a higher paying job that takes me out of town on remote sites or travelling regularly because that will also not allow me to be part of my kids lives.
    Good for you. Awareness is more than half the battle. They can go find some other beta boy provider chump.

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    Re: Do Men Suffer from Peter Pan Syndrome?

    @Ace Francis:

    Here is the rub. I make about $100K per year which around here is "not bad". I could bust my @$$ making $150K per year and probably see a 40% increase in net income. I've done the math. This is the result.

    Considering child support and alimony, at $100K gross I can afford to keep the house (barely) and keep things maintained (barely) with some scant savings for retirement / college. So right now I am living check to check, but I see my kids 50% or more of the time each month. Now, if I get a WOMAN in here, I figure I could land one who's MAYBE making 50% to 75% of what I am making. A woman making $100K is going after a guy making $150-200K... easily. She will see a man making *AS MUCH AS HER* a failure. They always do. Crunching those numbers, I would then have a household income of $150 to $175K per year.

    But considering her entitlement to control the vast majority of the household income, I would be going under water each month anywhere from $1000 to $2000.

    Considering the math, I would be a fool to bring a woman on board who makes a penny less than I do. The only way it would work is if (a) we split rent/housing, utility bills and grocery costs 50/50 and (b) separate accounts for everything else.

    The trouble is, since we're "cohabitating" after six months her cash and prices system kicks in. Since she is making less, she gets ALIMONY because she allegedly "helped me with my career" (aka made less money than me). [I'm sorry dumb@$$ socialist judges: if we are BOTH WORKING how did she contribute more to the household than I did? How did she enhance my career? It was IN PLACE when I MET HER. She was not AT HOME - she was working too.] Also, she will get child support for the kids she brought with her under her arm. This is great for the baby-daddies too - if he doesn't pay child support, but they get it from me, they're happy. It does not matter to the government WHO pays, so long as someone does.

    So - no way - for me, MGTOW means no cohabitation with those exotic pets otherwise known as females.

    The math and cost benefit analysis says NFW. Too much risk, and very little benefit.

    Plus I don't like how goddamn frantically busy women try to make everyone these days. It's as if they have so little sense of self they will explode if they pause between buying something, eating something or going somewhere. It's like a bad spin-off of the movie "Speed". Can't go under 60 or BOOM.

    Life pigs, I call them.
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