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    Is ghosting enough?

    Lately Iíve been thinking about a post made by womanhater on a Lazarus thread here:

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...8263/#post8263

    And remember, NOT existing at all is WAY more suspicious than having a very carefully crafted and total bullshit paper and online persona. You should appear to ANYONE who would want to investigate you to quickly determine that you're poor, boring, and stupid.
    It made me ask the question: what is the best way to ghost?

    Sure you can shrug off society as a whole, or at least as much as is feasibly possible; even if youíre able to avoid women in the workplace you still have to live: eat, shop, deal with officials etc., - youíre still going to come into contact with them.

    Some have advocated recording every contact and this obviously has its benefits for day to day situations for a short time, but IMO whilst itís a good start it isnít enough. This will not protect you from years old accusations nor from complete fabrications when they make up an encounter that never happened unless you record your entire life, which has its own problems, not least of all how do you store all that info!

    Even if you were able to overcome this, a prosecutor would label it as evidence of a paranoid mind thusly casting aspersions on your mental state Ė not a good thing from a defence perspective. Add to that the notion of a loner which has been used time and again to explain deviant behaviour and you could have major problems just trying to defend your motives.

    My take on ghosting is not to divest myself of all contact but rather to force myself out into the blue-pill world and interact with them. Yes itís annoying, but to me the positives outweigh the negatives. I have a base of people from all walks of life (male and female) that can attest that Iím normal except for the fact that I donít want any sort of relationship in my life.

    How have I done this? Well, I found myself a Ďlocalí. A public bar. But not just any. Maybe I have been very fortunate but I managed to find one with a lot of diverse personalities from all walks of life that actually interact with each other. Everyone from the unemployed to top professionals including builders, cops, pot smokers, lawyers, teachers, labourers, doctors etc. drop in occasionally and over the years I have developed a rapport with many of them. Taking conversation lightly and throwing in the odd self-deprecating joke helps a lot here. It does take effort.

    And it doesnít have to be a bar. It could be a gym, a coffee shop, anywhere people like to talk, even a church meeting (although I personally find that one too distasteful).

    In this way, if Iím ever accused of anything they can attest that Iím not a woman hater and it would be highly unlikely that I would have become involved with a woman for any reason Ė I donít hate them Iím just not interested!

    No defence is perfect against those that wish to destroy you, but having allies helps.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Thank you for a new post by the way. I love to comb the "Ghosting" threads because I want to converse with the like-minded.

    I think the goal is not to come off as a hermit of anti-social. That will draw attention to you in the negative and you will be seen as that weird guy. You have to present an image for the world to see. I like to think of Batman presenting the image of Bruce Wayne so he's above suspicion.

    I agree with you that it is not best to avoid all contact with people. That is almost impossible. If I could, I would love to just be a hermit in the woods but I also don't want to camp. I want 1st world luxuries. In order for me to do that, I need to blend in as best as I can.

    I must admit, it has been getting harder for me to blend in as much as I used to. I'm having a harder time keeping my mouth shut about certain things that blue-pillers say. I've been fortunate so far because most tend to like me but I need to be mindful that most don't share my views. Most would persecute me if I told them what I really think about certain things. Therefore, I need to keep my mouth shut.

    One thing I've found that helped me not focus on the dumb stuff people say is that I put myself in almost a "trance-like" or "zombie-like" state when I'm forced to commune with the rest of the world. There is a quote from Bruce Lee that I try to keep in my mind. It goes: "Y
    ou will continue to suffer if you have an emotional reaction to everything that is said to you. True power is sitting back and observing things with logic. If words control you that means everyone else can control you. Breathe and allow things to pass."

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I must admit, it has been getting harder for me to blend in as much as I used to. I'm having a harder time keeping my mouth shut about certain things that blue-pillers say. I've been fortunate so far because most tend to like me but I need to be mindful that most don't share my views. Most would persecute me if I told them what I really think about certain things. Therefore, I need to keep my mouth shut.

    Same here.

    When 'normal' people talk about the shit going on the world today I can feel the heckles rising. As I get older it seems to get more and more difficult to 'put on a pleasant face' and not shut them down completely. I have to remind myself time and again that they haven't experienced my life and don't have my outlook and are entitled to their views.

    It's a pain when you see the problems with another's point of view but have to subdue it just to 'fit in' when you realise they're not going to accept reason.

    Education in pieces is my philosophy when dealing with blue-pillers. Throw a little here and a little there and something, sometime might take hold. If you try to hit them with everything at once, they naturally rebel.

    Love the Bruce Lee quote by the way.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Same here.

    When 'normal' people talk about the shit going on the world today I can feel the heckles rising. As I get older it seems to get more and more difficult to 'put on a pleasant face' and not shut them down completely. I have to remind myself time and again that they haven't experienced my life and don't have my outlook and are entitled to their views.
    Yes! That is how I feel too!

    My goal now is to no longer try to save those that do not want to be saved. I've noticed that most people's glasses are already full and they are not interested in new ideas. I no longer try to convince people of my views. My goal now is to spend as much time by myself and be left alone.

    So what tips do you use to keep up appearances when interacting with the normies?
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    So what tips do you use to keep up appearances when interacting with the normies?
    It's difficult and seems to get harder by the day.

    If you read my intro I left my hometown and started a new life for myself in a place where I knew no-one.

    In order to get to know people I got myself a job in a bar. I quickly found that in order to ingratiate myself I had to learn to talk about the things that they liked to talk about, in this case mostly sports.

    Now I have no great interest in sport. If you wish to participate that's great - but why do I want to watch you do your job?, that being said I do enjoy watching the odd game.

    So I would watch the sports results and some of the after-match commentaries just so as I could participate in their conversations. They could always pull stats that would baffle me and show my lack of knowledge, but that didn't matter as I was showing my willingness to interact on their terms.

    When it came to general news items I'd pick my target.

    If there was a legal matter in question, I would raise it with the lawyers, if there was a matter of welfare payments I'd talk to the unemployed, if there was a health question I'd mention it to the doctors and nurses.

    Giving people the opportunity to express their views, even if you throw them a curve ball, tends to be appreciated because in this world no-one seems to care about individual concerns.

    It's pandering I know, but I get few chuckles along the way as well.

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    This is how I set myself up some 10-20 years ago when I was younger. Somehow it seemed easier just to go with the flow on the outside at least (Baaa). But today I'm more inclined to say what I think and let the chips fall where they may. It's a trait I try to keep under control as it doesn't help me in any way but the way things are going I just can't be so accommodating any more.

    Instead of following the herd I try to simply nod my head in pretend understanding and keep most of my views to myself excepting the very chosen few. Even with this in mind though sometimes I let my true feelings out - usually encouraged by alcohol - but even then I try to moderate my language and views.

    As I have already said, it gets more difficult as I get older to play the game.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Sure you can shrug off society as a whole, or at least as much as is feasibly possible; even if youíre able to avoid women in the workplace you still have to live: eat, shop, deal with officials etc., - youíre still going to come into contact with them.
    For me, luckily, extreme is very feasible all the while living in a very dense urban area, and I am very glad about it...

    My work consists of me being in my room. The food is handled by a maid with whom the others in family deal with, I have to deal very little. I shop either online or when not online, its usually a mall with CCTV cameras covering every nanometer of the floor. And not just CCTV cameras, the places are often VERY crowded (thanks to India..) and people are extremely busy with stuff.

    All officials who visit you at home are males here, female officials you will find in govt offices only, which are again, extremely crowded.

    Other than all of that, it comes the matter of social interaction which doesnt involve any compulsory business. I can live off on only online social interaction. In real life I CANNOT tolerate blue pill people. I have some standards which are to be followed when conversing with me, otherwise I will terminate the interaction and move on and never contact the person again. I have only one friend (a red pilled AWM) who I talk to in real life and thats it.

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    No defence is perfect against those that wish to destroy you, but having allies helps.
    My strategy revolves around enemies never knowing I even exist in the first place ! And it has worked wonderfully... so far atleast...
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    In my last post I forgot to mention how I handle dealing with conversation with and/or about women. A big one you might think, but not really – I simply tell the truth, not all of it, just enough to let others know I’m not interested.

    For example, if asked about my reasons for celibacy I tell them I don’t believe sex, which is enjoyable, is ever worth it. The price is always too high.

    In a LTR it’s not worth all the arguments and manipulations, I don’t mention shit-tests, hamstering, taking on the responsibility of another’s kids or anything that could open up further debate. As I’m usually talking to 40 year olds and over they can understand this even if they disagree as they have all been through the same. If a female should get annoyed claiming I’m blaming women, this only serves to prove my point.

    With regards one night stands or prostitution I say I’m not comfortable with the idea. As they are usually of a tradcon bent they tend to agree, but if pushed I can refer to the risk of STIs.

    This then only leaves me with celibacy.

    As for feminism, because of things like the MeToo and BelieveWomen movements I’m now free to laugh at these people calling them bleedin’ lunatics openly without showing my true contempt.

    In this way I haven’t insulted women directly, i.e. not a woman hater, yet I haven’t told any lies so my conscience is clear.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    For me, luckily, extreme is very feasible all the while living in a very dense urban area, and I am very glad about it...

    ...

    My strategy revolves around enemies never knowing I even exist in the first place ! And it has worked wonderfully... so far atleast...
    Going Your Own Way is all about finding a strategy that works for you and you seem to have found one.

    Unfortunately I do enjoy socialising occasionally and do not wish to give up this part of my life, so interacting with those that have different views to my own is inevitable - for me anyway.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    In India, women arent actually that much of a problematic "topic" when interacting with blue pill world, in fact I'll put it very low in the laundry list of crap the blue pilled ppl puke.

    The bigger problem is lies. Lies, lies and lies. Indians very often (but not all), atleast based on what I have experienced, are very obsessive compulsive scammers. Search on youtube about scam call centers, you will find many of them from India. Its not a coincidence, its not that its cheaper and less risky to setup "scam" business here. The bigger reason is, it comes from society. Here people are taught to scam from very early stages of life. For most of them, its the ONLY skill they have, even if they dont realize it consciously.

    That is also the reason I have extreme intolerance for lies and dishonesty. Its my instinctive self defense mechanism in this society. The plus point is, because I was trained in this self defense (instinctively on my own), by the time I reached puberty, I was pretty much immune to all the manipulations society does to make us males fall for women. This is the reason why, unlike most people here, I dont carry any "scars". Truthfulness and honesty, and accepting nothing else in an interaction, as much as feasible, is what actually saved me.

    You can find a bit more details in my (a bit long'ish) posts in this other thread.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    In India, women arent actually that much of a problematic "topic" when interacting with blue pill world, in fact I'll put it very low in the laundry list of crap the blue pilled ppl puke.

    The bigger problem is lies. Lies, lies and lies. Indians very often (but not all), atleast based on what I have experienced, are very obsessive compulsive scammers. Search on youtube about scam call centers, you will find many of them from India. Its not a coincidence, its not that its cheaper and less risky to setup "scam" business here. The bigger reason is, it comes from society. Here people are taught to scam from very early stages of life. For most of them, its the ONLY skill they have, even if they dont realize it consciously.

    That is also the reason I have extreme intolerance for lies and dishonesty. Its my instinctive self defense mechanism in this society. The plus point is, because I was trained in this self defense (instinctively on my own), by the time I reached puberty, I was pretty much immune to all the manipulations society does to make us males fall for women. This is the reason why, unlike most people here, I dont carry any "scars". Truthfulness and honesty, and accepting nothing else in an interaction, as much as feasible, is what actually saved me.

    You can find a bit more details in my (a bit long'ish) posts in this other thread.
    BRAVO! The truth cuts through the thickest of lies like a hot knife through butter. I agree with your assessment about India's social dynamics, I'v learned the hard way not to trust your countrymen as I was "lied to" and "scammed" by your countrymen, now if I hear your accent the impenetrable wall of rejection automatically goes up and I refuse to converse in anything, I hang up.

    You're a rare sort from that side of the world as I am here, and I can attest that TRUTH or SILENCE is the best policy. To me, over time, lies have become louder than dynamite to some very sensitive ears! I can't tolerate a liar, leave alone a pathological liar! They are empty and worthless people.

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkspsm View Post
    The bigger problem is lies. Lies, lies and lies.
    I begin to understand your deep-rooted hatred for dishonesty in all its forms. If I were in your position I would probably feel the same. I have a natural disgust for truly deceitful behaviour also.

    But here in Ireland we have the notion of social bullshitting, shared I’m sure with many other nations. Whilst I’m not particularly good at it, my mind doesn’t work that way, many here are extremely proficient and can have you in stitches with laughter. It’s almost a point of national pride. The notion of kissing the Blarney Stone comes to mind.

    Bullshitting is basically telling lies or at least massive exaggerations. The intent is not to deceive but to lighten conversation and give a laugh. It is a form of humour akin to sarcasm, satire and basic word-play depending on the situation.

    My point is, for me not all dishonesty is bad, sometimes it has its plus side.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    BRAVO! The truth cuts through the thickest of lies like a hot knife through butter. I agree with your assessment about India's social dynamics, I'v learned the hard way not to trust your countrymen as I was "lied to" and "scammed" by your countrymen, now if I hear your accent the impenetrable wall of rejection automatically goes up and I refuse to converse in anything, I hang up.

    You're a rare sort from that side of the world as I am here, and I can attest that TRUTH or SILENCE is the best policy. To me, over time, lies have become louder than dynamite to some very sensitive ears! I can't tolerate a liar, leave alone a pathological liar! They are empty and worthless people.
    Hanging up is the best thing to do !! While I cant rely just on accent, but the moment I conclude that its a salesperson talking to me, I end it. Its a bit sad about hearing this about my own people, but its true. And probably more true than you (or even me) realize.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    I begin to understand your deep-rooted hatred for dishonesty in all its forms. If I were in your position I would probably feel the same. I have a natural disgust for truly deceitful behaviour also.

    But here in Ireland we have the notion of social bullshitting, shared I’m sure with many other nations. Whilst I’m not particularly good at it, my mind doesn’t work that way, many here are extremely proficient and can have you in stitches with laughter. It’s almost a point of national pride. The notion of kissing the Blarney Stone comes to mind.

    Bullshitting is basically telling lies or at least massive exaggerations. The intent is not to deceive but to lighten conversation and give a laugh. It is a form of humour akin to sarcasm, satire and basic word-play depending on the situation.

    My point is, for me not all dishonesty is bad, sometimes it has its plus side.
    Here people will kill you with their dishonesty and will consider it just a usual business day. Medical malpractice is SUPER rampant. People die all the time, not just from wrong drugs, but also from sheer negligence. And I am not talking about some shady clinic on some lonely street, I am also talking about large hospitals. There are many doctors in my extended family, and the tales they tell me, scares the fk out of me.

    Let me give you an example, one relative who is a doctor was visiting my family and was telling me about some hospital he worked in. He said some highly potent drug which he only administered to patients thrice in his lifetime (he had 2-3 decades of practice). In that hospital, that drug was being administered to patients several times a day, so that they just stay asleep and not complain. And then later pay the bills for staying in the hospital.

    Yeah, I cannot tolerate lies... will immediately trip the fk outta me.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Yeah, that quote by womanhater does bring up a good point about presenting a persona to the rest of the world. Sometimes when you've got no social media presence or any kind of presence for that matter, it irks people's curiosity.

    If you wish to live within society, then the idea of ghosting in plain site makes more sense than being a total hermit, especially when you have a lot of nosy relatives like myself. You see, my bro dabbles in a little social media from time to time and once he posted a snapchat and literally within 5 minutes he had some relations of ours (who we haven't spoken to for a long time) being the first to check out the post. It was quite unexpected.

    It really got me thinking about how long people spend on surfing their social media and how quick they are to jump on to posts from someone who rarely socialises. In that regard, it is best to post some boring shit from time to time just to show that you exist and present an inane/mundane image to the world. I know I'm using this word a lot lately but having the RIGHT presence can do wonders for inconspicuousness.

    Don't feed people's curiosity with intrigue, feed it with monotonous tedium. It throws the scent off. This is probably the only way sane way to ghost in a day and age of ultra-insta narcissism.

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prophet of Truth View Post
    It really got me thinking about how long people spend on surfing their social media and how quick they are to jump on to posts from someone who rarely socialises. In that regard, it is best to post some boring shit from time to time just to show that you exist and present an inane/mundane image to the world. I know I'm using this word a lot lately but having the RIGHT presence can do wonders for inconspicuousness.
    This is how I feel about socialising in real life.

    With regards social media (F**kBook etc.), luckily I'm of a generation where a presence there would probably draw more curiosity than not having one, at least amongst my own age group.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    This is how I feel about socialising in real life.

    With regards social media (F**kBook etc.), luckily I'm of a generation where a presence there would probably draw more curiosity than not having one, at least amongst my own age group.
    When Face Fuck first came out, a female in the neighborhood was raving about it with her hamster-wheel spinning at 1,500 RPM, and her jaw slapping at 6,500 SPM (slaps per minute) telling me I should join up so we could communicate, and how all her friends are cunected, and on and on as if she was describing a fucking mega farm hen house!

    I vowed to myself then never to sign up and listen to 10,000 squealing hamster wheels all squealing at once! Her squeaking and squealing was more than enough! 1 time, uno! NEVER AGAIN!

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    6,500 SPM - LMAO.

    Becoming part of my vernacular from now on.
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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    6,500 SPM - LMAO.

    Becoming part of my vernacular from now on.
    It's true! Their jaw jacking equivalence can elevate an Olympic size swimming pool @ 300 ft. per minute!

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Ghosting is enough but ghosting is different things to different MGTOW's. Live in plain site but don't be heard is one approach. Don't draw attention to yourself. Be "average" to society. If you need to socialize sometimes, go to a church or find another hobby. or once you retire you could do the Jack Reacher style of ghosting if you'd like.

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    I'm not a ghost, except accidentally. I am "not seen" by many just by my nature, but I offer these observations:

    I view it more as keeping your signal to noise ratio low. You need to be in the noise, meaning daily life. You just don't want your signal noticed. So, have a facebook account and post a weekly cat video. Just stay away from politics and the like.

    If you are dressed like a blue collar schlep, most women won't even see you. You can walk around all day long dressed as "the every man" and nobody will even see you. Keep your conversations with the workers at the counter limited to the transaction, and I bet they wouldn't even be able to describe you to anyone 30 min later.

    Most people only listen to you long enough to detect the pause that indicates they should start talking again. People like to hear themselves. Let them. Stay silent. They will feel good about the interaction because they got to talk, and you will not have said anything stupid to give them a reason to protest. Use a little NLP (I think), and simply and occasionally repeat their exact words back to them and the will feel understood and validated by you. Why do I consider this a ghost strategy? Because they have no reason to hang a target on your back.

    Do not cast your pearls before swine. Alternatively, do not talk about fight club. Since you should be mostly in listen mode anyway, wait until you hear someone obviously going through the blue pill meat grinder and lamenting about "not understanding" before you offer even a sliver of red pill. Take it slow, and be prepared to eject at the first sign of pullback. If you need to be proactively defensive, you can accuse them of being one of those "Men's Rights" weirdo's. That should put them back on their heels. LOL

    I believe the best way to ghost is to not be seen as that loaner weirdo. That's why I suggest the above techniques. If you don't interact with anyone, ever, then that will get peoples radars to pop. You might find yourself on the news being described as "he was always so quiet". The idea is to not be noticed by people you don't have to interact with, but to "seem nice" to the people you have to interact with. I don't think it is wise to only be seen and not heard by the people in the next apartment.

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    Re: Is ghosting enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbisque View Post
    I believe the best way to ghost is to not be seen as that loaner weirdo. That's why I suggest the above techniques. If you don't interact with anyone, ever, then that will get peoples radars to pop. You might find yourself on the news being described as "he was always so quiet". The idea is to not be noticed by people you don't have to interact with, but to "seem nice" to the people you have to interact with. I don't think it is wise to only be seen and not heard by the people in the next apartment.
    Agreed.

    But with regards immediate neighbours it's also about getting the balance right. The last thing you want is to become 'friends' with the guys next door. Friends come and go, but being stuck living next door to someone you have had a falling out with can be catastrophic. Be friendly, say hello, talk for a minute about the weather or the game last night, but socialising with them for me is a big no-no.
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