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    To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    I guess I am a ghost. I have been more or less for the last 5 years. It has been a process of removing from my life all the trappings of a corrupt crony-capitalist-Obamunist-surveillance-society nightmare. I could go on but I just broke my hyphen key, you get the idea. My motives have been along the lines of self preservation and surviving what is a near certain cataclysm. It would be nice to think that it will just be some kind of political reform, economic backlash, cultural revolution, but I think it is going to be much worse than that. My process of "going Galt" has led me away form the corporate slave cubicle, the bank account, the car payment, the health insurance, income tax, I don't even have a cell phone. I eat clean (most of the time), no entangling alliances, basically "nothing in my life that I couldn't walk out on in 5 seconds flat if I feel the heat coming around the corner." -Al Pacino, Heat. I have never felt freer or more stress free. Now this is not for everybody, I know some people like to have "stuff". My experience suggests that whatever you think you own starts to own you.

    To get to the point here. There are those of us out there that have recognized the fact that the "boogey-man" is real and he is coming for all of us. Some of us have tried to get involved in political activism, survival training, prepping, strategic relocation, etc. all in the effort of slowing down or stopping the juggernaut bearing down on us. Some of us have seen the folly of amassing a big pile of stuff, aligning ourselves with "radical" politics, basically drawing the attention of an increasingly hostile, entitled public sector monster which will destroy everything which has made this country great to keep kicking the can down the road and appeasing their globalist overlord masters. This might sound like psycho-babble to some of you, but I would ask, who do you think we are really struggling against? Yes the feminists are the foot soldiers, so are the social marxists, and the collectivists, and the fabian socialists, the federal reserve, the zionists, the freemasons, illuminati on and on up the tyranny pyramid until you get to Satan himself. Whether you are big picture or little picture, atheist or devout, this juggernaut wants your money, your blood, your very soul. I am getting to my point I promise. If we decide to collectively withdraw from this society, and believe me I am 90% there, what will we have ready to replace it? I suppose most people wish, and I am one of them, that we will just be allowed to go back to an agrarian, laissez-faire capitalist, free-market, sustainable society. The powers that be have not been preparing this system of total enslavement across many generations to simply go away and we win when the old system collapses. In the best case pie in the sky scenario we will need to have a plan to fill the vacuum left behind. Personally I don't see anything changing for the better until Christ's return. I know not everyone believes that way, and even those that do have to admit that it may not happen in our lifetime. Whether one has a belief system that involves a higher power or not we have to recognize that someone has to tend the light at the end of the tunnel. What if it is us? What if we are playing right into the hands of the PTB by not participating in the "system." Broken as it is, it could theoretically be fixed. Isn't destroying everything that made this country great the main goal of the NWO or (whatever you want to call them, you just better recognize). Assuming there is anything left to salvage after the collapse, we need to codify our new utopia. After that we still have the Chinese and the Russians and..........

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    Quote Originally Posted by z3nb4st4rd View Post
    My process of "going Galt" has led me away form the corporate slave cubicle, the bank account, the car payment, the health insurance, income tax, I don't even have a cell phone. I eat clean (most of the time), no entangling alliances, basically "nothing in my life that I couldn't walk out on in 5 seconds flat if I feel the heat coming around the corner." -Al Pacino, Heat. I have never felt freer or more stress free. Now this is not for everybody, I know some people like to have "stuff". My experience suggests that whatever you think you own starts to own you.
    There's solid wisdom here. Philosphers as early as ancient Greece have been telling us this -- although the pressures of consumerism and blue pill (so closely intertwined) are far louder and more voluminous than the voices of a few wise men speaking down across the years...

    Congratulations on the point you've reached in your Ghosting journey -- I will admit to being a little bit envious.
    Pain is unavoidable. Suffering is optional.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    It's no bed of roses brother. I've yet to achieve true autonomy with respect to sustainable access to resources off the grid or even a comfortable level of financial security through self employment, but by guess and by God, I think I'm going to be alright. It's certainly going to be a hell of a show.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    I can't help noticing your avatar, man.

    You know the one true church has been overrun by pinks?

    The old slogans - the pinks vs the Yeti, the Y-chromosome, mean exactly what they seem to. Any man who dares to notice the obvious knows that it's men who are the creators, and women the consumers, the slack-jawed empty-brained watchers of TV. Ok, a lot of men are pretty pink, too - but a lot aren't.

    Womenz just can't bear to see a boy's clubhouse without wanting to invade and wreck it. Connieism is the cancer that destroyed the church. Seriously - how often do you even hear about Bob any more? It's all Connie this, Connie that - did Connie ever swindle the aliens to save your worthless soul?

    Interesting thing about the cult of Connie (and I use the word "cult" in its technical sense) is how it confirms and conforms to all the stereotypes. While they are all rah-rah and girl-power, who notices that Connie actually doesn't do anything except fuck? That's it. That's all she's good for.

    I run out of rant easily these days.

    And who's this "christ" person? I hope you understand the significance of that bit of clip-art you are using. Otherwise none of this will have made any sense.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    That post was sub-genius.
    Pain is unavoidable. Suffering is optional.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    Quote Originally Posted by z3nb4st4rd View Post
    I have never felt freer or more stress free. Now this is not for everybody, I know some people like to have "stuff". My experience suggests that whatever you think you own starts to own you.
    This is exactly my experience: The stuff you own, owns you.

    I grew up pretty poor and now I have so much stuff, for example: sometimes I literally stumble over tools in my workshop I do not even remember to have.

    But.. and here comes the big, the very big, the huge "but":
    I know perfectly well how it sucks when you need something or something done and you can not do it because you do not have the tools, the material, the knowledge.

    Now, when you are "broke" there are two ways to deal with that:

    a) Create a social network where you develop the necessary relationships and know enough people. This is todays big, big meme as most people know nothing except the little "trade" they learnt at school or in their job-training.

    b) Work hard to become self sufficient and make enough money to buy the tools necessary.

    I dealt in a) until 23 or so when I finally had my shit together and I am very sure, the glorified "social exchange" is only good for those people that have not much to offer. If you have you will be a "hot commodity" and your phone will ring constantly. It took me years and cancelation of my phone land-line to get out of that. Heck, if my "social network" were not as broke as me I could have started a business.

    Now I am 100% in b) and my job gives me enough reasons to not have time to "help" others while at the same time not having much need at all for services of others except the occasional professional I will pay for (dentist)

    There is one problem that you already spotted: Having stuff makes you inflexible and immobile.

    I throw in another "but" now:
    I am frugal, live on an old farm and while not a farmer I have my fair share of small animals (chickens, ducks) to take care of, have to maintain my own water and blackwater system, have various preps geared toward more self-sufficiency and of course have to take care of the house and the huge garden and the machines and tools.

    All of that can be either done investing a massive amount of "time" which I do not have and can only be afforded by people that are basically out of the system or making a living of it or with the help of "stuff"

    And, from my experience, you will need a lot, a lot of stuff to keep things going and even more "spares" just to make sure a 0,5$ part that breaks kills of the whole system.

    I will also throw in another and very european perspective:
    The instant you leave your home you are not bugging out .. you just moved from a guy with shelter to a guy who is a refugee and very likely, in times of massive (global) turmoil, not welcome anywhere else anyway.

    That is why I will stick to my place and defend it, because it is the best place I could be in any crisis except for one of our nuclear reactors spilling it`s guts into the landscape...

    At the same time, if "social justice" becomes an additional burden on my income I can always "ghost" and life quite some years without feeding a shitload of freeloaders.

    This is where MGTOW really shines as the amount of stuff and income necessary to maintain myself is way below the income any married guy needs. Anything, from land-tax to other possible ways of taxation (consumption taxes, energy taxes) will hurt the believers in statism way more and sooner than it will hurt me.

    Quote Originally Posted by z3nb4st4rd View Post
    To get to the point here. There are those of us out there that have recognized the fact that the "boogey-man" is real and he is coming for all of us. Some of us have tried to get involved in political activism, survival training, prepping, strategic relocation, etc. all in the effort of slowing down or stopping the juggernaut bearing down on us. Some of us have seen the folly of amassing a big pile of stuff, aligning ourselves with "radical" politics, basically drawing the attention of an increasingly hostile, entitled public sector monster which will destroy everything which has made this country great to keep kicking the can down the road and appeasing their globalist overlord masters. This might sound like psycho-babble to some of you, but I would ask, who do you think we are really struggling against? Yes the feminists are the foot soldiers, so are the social marxists, and the collectivists, and the fabian socialists, the federal reserve, the zionists, the freemasons, illuminati on and on up the tyranny pyramid until you get to Satan himself. Whether you are big picture or little picture, atheist or devout, this juggernaut wants your money, your blood, your very soul. I am getting to my point I promise. If we decide to collectively withdraw from this society, and believe me I am 90% there, what will we have ready to replace it?
    Nah .. that is just the way every civilization works. That is also the reason why every civilization with no exception so far always fails.
    There are roman ruins just near my place, there are older findings dating back 5000 B.C also showing quite some refinement and organization including leaving stone statues.

    Common place: except for some ruins and bones there is not that much left of what once, at least the romans left us documents after their civilization collapsed with Rome dropping from the first city with a million people to ruins with 25.000 peasants herding goats between the monuments of former glory.

    The romans also left us excellent descriptions of what happened when their empire collapsed, from more and more freeloaders (doh) that were given bread and games (doh) to the rich people moving out (doh) to the rural countryside (dog) running their own self sufficient (doh) farms or building their own defensible or gated communities (doh) like ..Venice, the "Galts Gulch" of the post-roman elite that did pretty well after the collapse and even when the black plague ravaged rome.

    That is also how cities and city rights came into being: sturdy walls and defenses or defensive geography like at Venice and "city air makes free" which meant that every peasant inside a city was free of the empires slavery .. but of course had the duty to defend the city.

    And the socialist (christian) remnants of the empire were roaming the area trying to steal and loot goods to feed the "voters" (doh) at home and to establish their power by democratic (doh) legitimation.

    Did not work that well (who would have expected) and they were overrun by "barbarians" that had a quite non-socialst, tribal and patriarchal form of society.

    So it does not matter how the "elite" is labelled, it always was and always is the same well meant heap of garbage leading to the demise, even the oldest written codex (Hammurabi) is proof of that.


    Quote Originally Posted by z3nb4st4rd View Post
    I suppose most people wish, and I am one of them, that we will just be allowed to go back to an agrarian, laissez-faire capitalist, free-market, sustainable society.
    I do not wish for that as I really like ordering new stuff directly from china at a fraction of the cost I can buy it here after a dozen re-sellers made their cut ... but it is unavoidable anyway.

    So my opinion is.. enjoy the fruits of a global economy as very likely we will not be able to maintain it for much longer anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by z3nb4st4rd View Post
    The powers that be have not been preparing this system of total enslavement across many generations to simply go away and we win when the old system collapses.
    Slavery is horribel inefficiënt, that is why it was abandoned some centuries ago and was replaced with a more subtle system of slavery.
    People come to work at 7am on their own now, without whipping them out of their beds.

    Of course, as people are lazy and greedy and we live in democratic societies (romans doh) they are able to vote for more free stuff now (doh)[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by z3nb4st4rd View Post
    In the best case pie in the sky scenario we will need to have a plan to fill the vacuum left behind. Personally I don't see anything changing for the better until Christ's return. I know not everyone believes that way, and even those that do have to admit that it may not happen in our lifetime. Whether one has a belief system that involves a higher power or not we have to recognize that someone has to tend the light at the end of the tunnel. What if it is us? What if we are playing right into the hands of the PTB by not participating in the "system." Broken as it is, it could theoretically be fixed. Isn't destroying everything that made this country great the main goal of the NWO or (whatever you want to call them, you just better recognize). Assuming there is anything left to salvage after the collapse, we need to codify our new utopia. After that we still have the Chinese and the Russians and..........
    With 440 nuclear power plants around, the same amount of fully filled cooling ponds, a few thousand other less well known nuclear facilities, ap. 10.000 chemicals we daily use in storage in tanks, barrels, vessels all around the area, an massive overpopulation fueled by cheap energy (running out doh just as the romans run out of slaves) ... a politician would say: "failure is not an option" as the vacuum "left behind" would be not really a vacuum but quite a mess out to kill or destroy your biological functions.

    Not to mention that the political business has not made any advances in the last thousands of years, it is still the same BS it always was and will very likely lead to the same outcomes: Blame their neighbor, conquer some suckers to pay the bills, ...

    The problem, and real experts I talked too admit to this behind closed doors: As soon as you have even one nuclear power plant in your country you can not go to war against another country with the same technological level in military technology. You are not able to defend yourself.
    This is also the reason why "proliferation" is quite some topic.

    So a war between the big superpowers of today is not possible even if they stick to conventional weaponry. And TPTB know that perfectly well.

    The russians (rapidly declining population, a muslim country in a few decades just like the rest of Europa if nothing else happens) and the chinese with their one-child-policy being "japan demographics on steroids" within a few years .. have their own problems.

    As noted above: Politics have not made any advances so very likely there will be war but not among the super powers (see above) but against some 3rd world country:

    Print some cash, provide some moral outlet to the masses, throw some bombs on some sucker, make him pay the bills for the war ..
    This is what we are going to see a lot in the future and with radical muslims there is already a good target to keep the game running.

    Until the system goes belly up .. hopefully not in our lifetimes.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    I live in my own house. After the divorce seven years ago, I was planning on selling the house and moving into an apartment. I found out it was actually much cheaper to refinance, pay the ex-wife off, and stay in the house. My mortgage payment is about $500.00. You can't find a decent apartment for that much. And so I have an entire three bedroom house all to myself and love it. But, I am slowly getting a house full of stuff. And you're right. It begins to own you.
    “Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather – to call things by their names – total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” – Cato the Elder

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    Quote Originally Posted by djc View Post
    I live in my own house. After the divorce seven years ago, I was planning on selling the house and moving into an apartment. I found out it was actually much cheaper to refinance, pay the ex-wife off, and stay in the house. My mortgage payment is about $500.00. You can't find a decent apartment for that much. And so I have an entire three bedroom house all to myself and love it. But, I am slowly getting a house full of stuff. And you're right. It begins to own you.
    I have heard the advice, from Roosh of all people, to live in as small of quarters as you can happily tolerate. Empty space often ends up being "stuff".

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOW_player View Post
    I have heard the advice, from Roosh of all people, to live in as small of quarters as you can happily tolerate. Empty space often ends up being "stuff".
    I've got to offer an "AAAAAYYY-MENNNN!" to that!
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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    Just adding my own thoughts here.

    Spending energy vs Spending money is the same thing.

    Time IS money.

    So running off to farm your own vegetables or whatnot, is not really any difference than paying %80 tax, because you lose the opportunity to a high-paying gig.

    Anywhere you go is gonna want either :

    1. Tax
    2. Help to defend
    3. Lots of time/effort to be self-sufficient or defend it yourself
    4. Opportunity-cost of being a nomad

    The REAL freedom is not to NEED alot of money, to live cheaply, have a small space with few personal effects, not be tied down by toys and obligations.

    Of course EARN alot if it's easy/fun/convenient for you, I mean if you can hold down a 6-figure office job, why the fuck not.

    But then don't be upset when the taxman takes 1/3 of that, because you're indirectly paying for society to protect you and leave you the fuck alone, which is well worth it.

    I mean when the Baltimore riots happen you don't have to get involved, it's someone else's job to deal with it.

    That's what you are paying for, civil infrastructure, that allows you to go about your business.

    Go for the FAST buck NOT the LAST buck.

    Don't try to like...make $36,000/year and keep every penny. It's not gonna happen, and if it does then you might as well have been working a second job.

    ACCEPT that it costs a certain amount of money to keep the barbarians at bay.

    You either pay the Romans or you pay the Huns.

    "Ghosting" as far as I can see, involves being one more broke-ass nigga in a city full of broke-ass niggas.

    Of course you're not really broke, you're just fucking smart and don't waste your cash on a mcmansion, when a 1 room bachelor pad in a non-descript corner of the city will suit your purpose. I'm not talking about a condo next to city-hall, but maybe on the edge of town AWAY from anything remotely interesting, with your shitty car parked 2 blocks away and a bicycle you use to get around and grocery shop.

    Nobody notices you, nobody cares.

    You pay your tax to the Romans, they fight the Barbarians, and you're nowhere near the battle.

    When dealing with women, don't co-mingle your assets. She has her accounts, you have yours.

    If she wants to sue you, you get your lawyer. Pay what you gotta pay, move on.

    Remember, you have a frugal lifestyle to begin with, so you have really more money than you need.

    The key is to have a job/career that doesn't feel like a job/career.

    Just something you go to that you don't mind being there. A second home kinda.

    Your main priority in life is to always have something like that, work that doesn't feel like work.

    Beyond that, just don't get married and your life should be peachy keen.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    I have been a ghost for almost 20 years now;and doing fine.When I lived Oslo,I only socialized
    with people at work,and some cycling-team members.(we only met at training and races)
    Two years ago I moved out of the big city,and found peace in the countryside.
    My mother told me once,that when I moved by myself,I would suffer finically...I didn't understand
    it at the time(some 15 years ago)but she didn't calculate that I would stay singel.LOL.
    I have never had it better.Apart from dragging my ass to work every morning,which is just fine with me,I have a lot of money,and very few expenses.
    I eat for free at work.Charging my electric car,only at work etc.
    I think I can save more than 50% of my monthly income.I have no kids,so there are no child support
    to pay.The only time i socialize,is when I go on holiday;usually SEA.Guys at work ask me if Im
    rich or something;they dont understand how I can afford to go on holiday three to four times per year.When in SEA,I like to socialize with people though.They are totally different from people were I live.The western guys there are great to be with.Hopefully I can save enough money,so I can retire there in the future.Thats my BIG DREAM.

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    Re: To Ghost or Not to Ghost....

    I thought the more I would ghost the more I would dislike it. Actually I find myself being able to be more social with a lot more strangers that I do not know in public and yet I am able to retain my personal freedom and independence when I go home.

    I like times where I am isolated and times where I can immerse myself in a public place with other people. But also walk away with no strings attached or personal commitments. It has been an eye opening experience and I am considering taking ghosting to the next level. It is definitely not the lonely experienced portrayed by the blue pill world.


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