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    A Ghost With The Blues

    When first asked if I had any tips for successful ghosting among blue pillers I have to admit I was slightly flummoxed. Believe it or not I simply hadnít thought about it.

    How could I not have thought about it during all this time? Well I never really stopped interacting with blue pillers and how I act around them seems perfectly natural. To be perfectly honest, I donít even see it as an us versus them scenario, all I see are individuals with individual views some of which I agree with and some I donít. Not every topic is subject to red pill philosophy, unless of course you want it to be, but the rage died in me a long time ago. Iím much calmer about the whole thing now, but thatís not to say I canít still get annoyed, of course I can why wouldnít I, but I donít go looking for it in every conversation.

    ĎButí I hear you cry Ďblue pillers are part of the gynocracy and hold trad-con values, they are part of the problem.í Yes. Yes they are and yes they do, but itís not their fault. Donít be angry with them, if anything have a little sympathy, you were once one of them after all.

    I donít know whatís best for the world, if I thought I did Iíd be an MRA or SJW. Instead, Iím MGTOW and as such am primarily (but not exclusively) concerned with my own life. Whilst I like and even need my solitude I also like having friends, and since most of the people around me are blue pill I have little choice. But even if that were not the case I still like to hear different viewpoints and to limit myself to solely red pill friends would not be of benefit there.

    However, as Iím about to start a new job with a lot of new people I thought it deserved a little consideration. Just how am I going to approach it? Here are some of my thoughts on the subject.

    Trust Your Spidey-Sense

    Sometimes you come across people that make you feel uneasy. Youíre not exactly sure why but warning bells are ringing in your head. Trust this response. There are good and bad people everywhere and whether or not they have red pill knowledge isnít going to change that. If you come across a nasty, malicious type it has nothing to do with them being blue or red pill, they are just cunts to be avoided. Donít give them ammunition that they can use against you by engaging with them any more than is absolutely necessary. This is just a basic life lesson.

    Donít Be A Loner In Public

    Continuing on from above, some would say avoid everyone as much as possible, especially in the workplace, but I disagree. For a start it WILL get you noticed, not a good ghosting strategy. Second I donít believe it makes you any safer. If something bad happens people enjoy having a scapegoat and if no-one knows much about you, you will always be on the suspect list. Third, quite often what people donít know about you they make up and before you know it rumours will start circulating about you, again, not a good ghosting strategy. Fourth, your working life will be much more enjoyable if you have people around you that you can have the odd laugh or conversation with.

    Red Pill Knowledge Is Not A Weapon

    If you find yourself wrongfully accused no amount of red pill knowledge will enable you to defeat your accuser, although it may help a little. It is not a sword you can whip out and say ĎTake that you bounder, I am MGTOW and as such am invincible! Ha Ha!í

    You Have The Advantage

    As a MGTOW you have knowledge that they donít, use it to help you avoid potentially detrimental situations and help you see if the advice you are given is helpful or not, and remember bad advice is not always malicious so instead of arguing or getting angry just say ĎIíll think about thatí or some such. Also keep in mind that your actions are up to you, stay calm, you are in control.

    Be Yourself, But Only Up To A Point

    Never, ever bring up the gynocracy, but do take part occasionally if others bring it up. If you refuse to talk about it at all that is as much a red flag as talking about it constantly. Keep focussed solely on the point raised and try not to turn it in to a full blown debate across many issues just to let yourself vent, thatís one of the things this forum is for. And donít try to convert others to your beliefs, thatís the job of MRAs not MGTOW. Blue pillers are just as entitled to their views as you are to yours. Donít allow frustration at your views not being accepted annoy you, donít ridicule, stay calm, and agree to differ when necessary.

    Why not pretend to be just like them? Well, you will eventually trip yourself up. Not only that, but it will only serve to increase your frustration. In my experience most people are tolerant of differing views as long as you donít come across as being extreme in those views. If you have to pretend, pretend youíre tolerant of their opinions.

    Avoid Red Pill Terminology

    If you do find yourself in a conversation about women or the gynocracy avoid words and phrases that are unfamiliar (including gynocracy) to the blue pill world. This will only serve to get you noticed, so instead of saying hypergamy for example, talk in terms of money grabbers or social climbers, instead of thots use terms like slag or skank, instead of hamstering say you donít understand women etc. You get the idea.

    Avoid The Phrases ĎWomen AreÖí and AWALT

    These things will get you labelled a misogynist and will attract controversy. As a ghost you are trying to fly under the radar, these WILL get you noticed. For example, if asked why you are single you could say that you havenít found the right woman yet and omit the fact you never will because AWALT. For myself, I tend to say I donít enjoy being in a relationship which has the benefit of being both true and implies that the fault if there is one is with me, not women. Blue pillers can accept this even if they think youíre wrong; it keeps conversation light (usually).

    Have A Solo Interest

    By this I mean an interest that does not necessitate the involvement of others and no-one will try to turn it into a group activity. Why? Well people are going to wonder what you do with all your free time and itís handy to have an answer at the ready. For me itís almost anything science related. I like watching documentaries on fields like physics, astronomy and even quantum mechanics. Very few other people have much knowledge on or interest in the subject so they wonít press too much. Also itís not a subject that they see as threatening in any way, if anything theyíll think it a bit nerdish and they may even see it as an explanation for my lack of interest in relationships to a degree. Win win.

    Be Prepared To Take A Joke

    People will likely play pranks on you. Unless you suspect malicious intent take it as a compliment. Friends often play pranks on each other so if it happens call the perpetrator a few choice names, but do it with a smile and a laugh, it will serve you better than going off on one.

    Above All Be Friendly

    We all have our off days but if you go around with a constant chip on your shoulder it will attract attention and people that have to work with you will not appreciate it, in fact they may even go out of their way to provoke you.


    So there are my thoughts on the matter, and on ghosting in general. If you think Iíve missed something or have any criticisms Iím sure youíll let me know.
    "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    All we can do is keep ourselves from all those who don't deserve it. Ė Dave Matthes

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Good luck with your new job, I hope you enjoy it.

    "To be perfectly honest, I don’t even see it as an us versus them scenario"

    Well, however just we may be there's always going to one of them, or a clique of them who do indeed see it as 'us versus them' and as a nonconformists that sets 'us' firmly in their 'them' camp....such is human nature.

    To that end I'd suggest that one considers and rehearses ones narrative for instance, I think I finally nailed the narrative the other day at work as thus:

    I've worked at the same place for 20 years and in the beginning I was AdTheBad with a 1000 yard stare, a ready snarl and overtly defensive attitude since instinctively knowing 'the crack' but never having quantified or qualified it all as we have done in MGTOW over the years, it was a bit of a muddle then and not very nice.

    They want to know about you and probably not out of malice but for the same reason we have intro's in MGTOW....are you one of us? and the answer must be "yes"....its their crazifuckedup world.

    I never told them a lie. I told them about honey-do lists and we laugh about how they all have them and I don't.

    After 2011 (my MGTOW birthday) I relaxed more and interacted more, not less, and accepted things and them and in some wierd way that seems to have been reciprocated but there's always one who will not mind their own business and who needs to keep digging and you cannot simply punch their lights out or have them whacked and thus you need your narrative and it must be true-enough.

    Anyhow, I think I finally nailed mine by self-proclaiming (in response to further questioning) myself as a natural and happy to be so, introvert.

    My longtime work nieghbour and friend didn't think so but I helpfully reminded him that introverted simply means that one recovers ones energy-levels and sanity in solitude as opposed to extroverts who do the same in company and thus, introverts are probably unsuitable for relationships. I reminded him that introvert didn't equate to socially awkward sociopath since plenty of extroverts are that....Dave.

    They keep saying that they admire my lifestyle. I try not to brag.
    Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate. Zhuangzi

    someone asked the poet Sophocles: "How are you in regard to sex, Sophocles? Can you still make love to a woman?" Hush man, the poet replied, I am very glad to have escaped from this, like a slave who has escaped from a mad and cruel master."

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Have A Solo Interest

    ... an explanation for my lack of interest in relationships to a degree. Win win.
    Soo true !!! I cant stress this hard enough. This is the ace up my sleeve, in my ghosting strategy. I project soo much nerdness soo hard, that they think I am a fkn lunatic !!
    A clever fighter not only wins, but excels in winning with ease. His victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom, nor credit for courage. He wins his battles by making no mistakes. Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.

    Sun Tzu in The Art of War
    MGTOW is about making no mistakes against gynocentrism.

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    BE. YOUR. SELF. Originality is another word for personality. Anything else is synthetic.

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    Great topic.

    I think that the ghosting in plain sight strategy is the best one as documented by the OP.

    I think that focusing on one's self and not worrying about what everyone else is doing is the way to go. As already stated, have a hobby and make it something that is a passion.

    Converting the blue-pillers is something that is a waste of time. Please do not attempt it.

    Being a ghost doesn't necessarily mean that you can't have friends. I think it's good to have minimal interaction with people. At the very least, you do not come across as a blowhard with normal interactions if you converse with people regularly.

    Again as stated before, use this site for venting and please don't do it in the blue-pilled world. That is easier said than done sometimes.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post

    have a hobby and make it something that is a passion.
    Damn straight, Bonobo! I just got a set of these to put on just one of my hobbies! This one chirps when you down shift, and does wheelies on the up shift!


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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    I frequently get asked why I am not in a relationship or seeing somebody....... I just tell them I don't play well with others and that I'm a grumpy fucker and would just muck up any relationship.... That seems to satisfy most question

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    BE. YOUR. SELF. Originality is another word for personality. Anything else is synthetic.
    Ghosting is easy. Women already ignore us so its easy to ignore them.

    I don't believe in having people around just to please others or not send red flags. Fuck them. I decide who I talk to and if I want their company. Let me send "red flags" and have them talk about me. It has happened all my life. The stupid high school rumors of "Oh he is an alien!" or "I think he is a homo" don't bother me.

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    Gentlemen,

    Subtlety is key with ghosting. Not clinging to either extreme- appearing grey rather than black or white. "Don't appear too clever," or something to that effect. One of Robert Green's 48 laws. Dropping red pill lingo is a big no-no. I work almost entirely with women, and the worst kind at that. Can't let them catch even one whiff of red pill awareness. With some things I think it is useful to throw them a curve ball from time to time. For example, avoid their overtures for associating outside of work until they accept and expect that from you. Then just show up at something and be sociable. Disappear again for an extended period until you feel it is finally time again for another curve ball.

    At my workplace there are themed dress up days, I am not kidding. Once every female on my floor was enveloped in a full body cow "onesy" costume. The irony of the animal chosen is lost on no one here, I trust. The female need to conform knows no bounds. "What would you do for a Klondike Bar?" My staunch refusal garners mild shaming on the surface but at a deeper, more visceral level I can sense respect.

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    And here is what Schopenhauer had to say about ghosting. The man was simply ahead of his time.
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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    And here is what Schopenhauer had to say about ghosting. The man was simply ahead of his time.
    I think Team America summed it up best! "assholes, pussies, and dicks"...


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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Ghosting is fun knowing you can walk away being one step ahead while they wonder if you have the ability to predict the future. That shift in frame makes a big difference in realizing your full potential as a man.

    I am finding that I can accomplish more tasks now with this mindset. I am not shackled or married to doing things the blue pill way which allows me to be more dynamic and sharp.

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Ghosting is fun knowing you can walk away being one step ahead while they wonder if you have the ability to predict the future. That shift in frame makes a big difference in realizing your full potential as a man.

    I am finding that I can accomplish more tasks now with this mindset. I am not shackled or married to doing things the blue pill way which allows me to be more dynamic and sharp.
    All'z I can say is women will back you up! The same way shit backs up a TOILET!

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Ghosting is fun knowing you can walk away being one step ahead while they wonder if you have the ability to predict the future. That shift in frame makes a big difference in realizing your full potential as a man.

    I am finding that I can accomplish more tasks now with this mindset. I am not shackled or married to doing things the blue pill way which allows me to be more dynamic and sharp.
    What I've learned is its so amazing coming home from work and hearing no one complain to you or about you, such peace, having time to myself.

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatoshadow2 View Post
    What I've learned is its so amazing coming home from work and hearing no one complain to you or about you, such peace, having time to myself.
    I was just thinking about this too! I'm so fortunate to come home to an empty house and not have some nagging harpy asking me to mow the grass. Once my contractual hours served in the wage slave system are complete, I can just go home and do what I want. It is the only way to live.
    In the future there will be robots.

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I was just thinking about this too! I'm so fortunate to come home to an empty house and not have some nagging harpy asking me to mow the grass. Once my contractual hours served in the wage slave system are complete, I can just go home and do what I want. It is the only way to live.
    True that. Everyday I am single gets better and better. I come home to 2 ankle-biters that are delighted to see me and never give me a ration of shatt.

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    Excellent post OP!

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    Re: A Ghost With The Blues

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I was just thinking about this too! I'm so fortunate to come home to an empty house and not have some nagging harpy asking me to mow the grass. Once my contractual hours served in the wage slave system are complete, I can just go home and do what I want. It is the only way to live.
    Well said, I think I would honestly be bored without going to work.


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