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    Can you ghost too much?

    I could easily have posted this in the Lounge for its content, but I think it might be of particular interest to us ghosts. Why? Because I am beginning to wonder if I am as informed as I thought.

    My questions are:

    Is dissociating from society a good idea?

    I wish to inform others of what I see going on around me and warn them of the pitfalls, but how can I do that if I am blinkering myself by only conversing with likeminded people?


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    I began my red pill journey a long time ago, long before I had good people like yourselves to converse with.

    Over the years without really realising it I began to draw more and more away from society. I stopped buying newspapers, I would avoid news reports on T.V. and radio more and more, I would download movies and T.V. shows only watching what I was interested in and avoiding adverts, I slowly stopped going to my local bar missing out on the talking points of the day, and more recently I was out of work – another source of public opinion gone.

    Recently I started a new job as I have mentioned before. Thankfully my workmates are mostly male. The under 30’s seem to be very blue pill – no shock there, but those 35 and over I can only describe as purple pill, maybe even a few red pillers. Men see what is happening.

    Anyhow.

    I knew enough from personal experience to know that MGTOW was the only path for me even if I didn’t have a name for it at the time.

    I told myself I kept informed by reading online and talking with friends occasionally about the state of things in general and for the most part this was true. I was aware of the growing homeless problem, the rise of feminist, LGTB and climate activists, the increasing problems with our health system and the increasing drug problem. You know, all the good stuff!

    But…

    There has been a disconnect. Much of what I was (and still am) reading was about the United States. I naïvely believed that the situation in the U.S. was much worse than here in Ireland and that I was looking at portents of things to come in my own country. Maybe in some areas this is still true, but in others I have been way off base. Things have changed here in recent years while my attention has been elsewhere.

    A short while ago a comment on this site made me realise I was missing something in my own country and I stated that I would take a closer look at things here. Well I have, and will continue to do so. Here’s some of what I’ve discovered so far:

    The homeless situation has gotten out of all proportion. There will always be some unfortunate souls that for whatever reason end up homeless, but the problem here is growing in almost logarithmic proportions.

    The people running the health system are idiots. Not only are there people lying in hospital corridors but the suggestions and implementations coming forward to rectify this problem are nonsensical.

    Like the U.S. our media seems to have been taken over by activists. Rather than reporting actual news, which they still do to a certain extent, more and more the news is about reporting facetious shit about celebrities and agenda driven political views. Today’s prime-time news shows are little more than girlie magazines on T.V.

    And those agenda driven political views (you know the things I’m talking about – women’s rights, activism etc.) are endorsed by every political party here. What chance do we have we? The things that have been happening in the U.S. have been highlighted by what are considered renegades by the media, but because the size of your population there is a least a market for alternative views. We don’t have that luxury if you want to call it that. Almost everything that is happening here is happening almost without opposition with regards activism and in that respect I am beginning to believe that we are in an even worse situation than you.



    And for my last point I would also like to include the education system here. We all know that colleges and universities are dens of left wing political views. It has always been that way, at least since I was a lad, but I don’t think I need to bring this to your attention yet again. No, recently I heard a story that I found very disturbing and would like to share it with you.

    A new friend of mine told me a story about his son. It was about his son’s schoolwork. His son showed him a picture of a few kids playing in a playground. Underneath the picture were questions about the picture. Normal comprehension tasks for schoolkids, but it was the questions that got his attention.

    Now he didn’t tell me the exact questions, but I got the gist.

    Instead of questions like: Do you like playing in the playground? Can you spot who’s happy and who’s sad?

    Ah no. That would be O.K. These questions were about sexuality:

    Do you like one of your friends more than the others? Do you think about him differently than you think about your ‘other friends’? – You might be gay!

    Sigh!!!

    Well what of it you might say, our children need to be taught about these things.

    Maybe so says I, but at the appropriate age.

    My friend’s son is 6 years old!
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    I think that you can ghost too much. The amount of acceptable ghosting will vary from person to person. I personally think if you start losing basic social skills from lack of conversation with people, you may be ghosting a bit too much.

    As far as societal issues are concerned, I try to keep my finger on the pulse of what's happening but I do not dwell on it. I try not to worry about the things I cannot change and look out for the things I can. I can't change the cultural zeitgeist but I can focus on myself and live the best life for me.

    These are my thoughts on the matter.
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol View Post
    I think that you can ghost too much. The amount of acceptable ghosting will vary from person to person. I personally think if you start losing basic social skills from lack of conversation with people, you may be ghosting a bit too much.

    As far as societal issues are concerned, I try to keep my finger on the pulse of what's happening but I do not dwell on it. I try not to worry about the things I cannot change and look out for the things I can. I can't change the cultural zeitgeist but I can focus on myself and live the best life for me.

    These are my thoughts on the matter.
    Very well said. I concur completely.
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Is dissociating from society a good idea?
    For me, once I've viewed 'society' through the MGTOW or evolutionary or historical lenses then its not so much a case of 'dissociating from' since its clear that I was never 'integrated in' which lead to certain attitute problems (I used to say "if you have a problem with my attitude then thats your effing problem, not mine"...which was unhelpful red-pill rage though I didn't recognise it as such at the time) towards social interaction and self development.

    So, for me ghosting is not about avoiding but about engaging on my terms and surfing the bullshit rather than drowning in the stuff. Nobody would know I am a mghow....ghost.

    Taking that attitude, I find engaging socially to be easier, more successful and sometimes even pleasant but being a natural introvert (although not shy or misanthropic with it) I take energy from solitude so withdrawal is the happy default.

    I wish to inform others of what I see going on around me and warn them of the pitfalls, but how can I do that if I am blinkering myself by only conversing with likeminded people?
    Beware that. There's a reason why redpill themes were always couched in terms of satire from the ancient Greeks through Romans other ancient cultures, Chaucer, Shakespear, Dickens etcetc.
    Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate. Zhuangzi

    someone asked the poet Sophocles: "How are you in regard to sex, Sophocles? Can you still make love to a woman?" Hush man, the poet replied, I am very glad to have escaped from this, like a slave who has escaped from a mad and cruel master."

    Dont worry about me. Worry about why you're worried about me.

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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdTheBad View Post
    Beware that. There's a reason why redpill themes were always couched in terms of satire from the ancient Greeks through Romans other ancient cultures, Chaucer, Shakespear, Dickens etcetc.
    I understand, but I meant informing others (lurkers) by interacting here not by espousing red-pill views in personal interactions, although admittedly the odd one does slip out occasionally.
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Perhaps we could take a leaf from the book of the LDS folks and be 'in the world, but not part of it'.
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Willers View Post
    Perhaps we could take a leaf from the book of the LDS folks and be 'in the world, but not part of it'.
    We already are!
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Ghosting in sight is my preference because as it has been pointed out it allows you to keep your social skills sharp with complete strangers. Being able to read nuances in people is a social skill that helps protect you or allow you to look at an abundance of opportunities.

    The feeling of detachment is probably a natural progression of ghosting or not being invested in what society is selling you to your face while in your heart you know that is not the truth.

    So yeah it is entirely possible to ghost too much which makes you feel disconnected from the bond you have with society. But I think this disconnect is actually healthy long term in that it allows you to open up chances to form new bonds and new way of doing things or interacting with people.

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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Nomad View Post
    Ghosting in sight is my preference because as it has been pointed out it allows you to keep your social skills sharp with complete strangers. Being able to read nuances in people is a social skill that helps protect you or allow you to look at an abundance of opportunities.

    The feeling of detachment is probably a natural progression of ghosting or not being invested in what society is selling you to your face while in your heart you know that is not the truth.

    So yeah it is entirely possible to ghost too much which makes you feel disconnected from the bond you have with society. But I think this disconnect is actually healthy long term in that it allows you to open up chances to form new bonds and new way of doing things or interacting with people.
    I agree wholeheartedly.

    Whilst too much of a disconnect by definition is a bad thing, being able to stand back and see what exactly is influencing people gives an insight that is lost on most.

    On the down side I find myself agreeing (or disagreeing) when I'm in conversation with people, it's just that it's not for the reasons they believe and I cannot tell them my reasoning. It can be very frustrating not being able to air my views even to the closest of friends and family.

    Thankfully we have places like this to vent these frustrations.
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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    It's always great to come to the forum and be able to speak with fellow men about MGTOW, not worrying about other blue pill men or women over hearing a conversation or dropping a red pill accidentally at the work place. I was helping a customer last week, she mentioned how her son in his 20s, didn't want a girlfriend or wasting money on dates, good on him, he wanted to focus on building himself, I wish I could of said how great of a path her son is on, but just kept my guard and remained silent to the comment.

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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatoshadow2 View Post
    It's always great to come to the forum and be able to speak with fellow men about MGTOW, not worrying about other blue pill men or women over hearing a conversation or dropping a red pill accidentally at the work place. I was helping a customer last week, she mentioned how her son in his 20s, didn't want a girlfriend or wasting money on dates, good on him, he wanted to focus on building himself, I wish I could of said how great of a path her son is on, but just kept my guard and remained silent to the comment.
    I had a similar encounter with a female co-worker who said the same things about her 20-something son. I just nodded with "hmmm" as a reaction.

    I simply ghost in plain sight; common courtesies and smiles as needed, but absolute zip for purposeful interaction with folks that I absolutely do not have to interact with or do not want to interact with.

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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    I have just spent a considerable amount of time in which I disconnected myself from the world and indulged in subjects such as philosophy, religion, history and psychology, spiritual self reflection and scientific ponderings, while attempting to shed the programming and culturalisation of society. The rabbit hole is excessively deep depending on how far you want to go.

    The fact is there is no right and wrong in this world there is only truth. All of our value systems which have been taught to us by society and our parents, it all depends on what you want to be relevant in your own life. Does ghosting from society make you feel good? Do that. For me personally, I realised that I do not fit in with their society. I think a lot of ghosts realise this. Many of the smartest people in the world are the most cut off.

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    Re: Can you ghost too much?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShogunRonin View Post
    I have just spent a considerable amount of time in which I disconnected myself from the world and indulged in subjects such as philosophy, religion, history and psychology, spiritual self reflection and scientific ponderings, while attempting to shed the programming and culturalisation of society. The rabbit hole is excessively deep depending on how far you want to go.

    The fact is there is no right and wrong in this world there is only truth. All of our value systems which have been taught to us by society and our parents, it all depends on what you want to be relevant in your own life. Does ghosting from society make you feel good? Do that. For me personally, I realised that I do not fit in with their society. I think a lot of ghosts realise this. Many of the smartest people in the world are the most cut off.
    Congrats. It’s a strange feeling when you look this deeply into things and realise that as much as you figure out there’s always more. It can be a dangerous path to walk but one filled with unexpected surprises and not all of them bad. In fact with the right attitude even those things that one would have once considered 'bad' become simply illuminating. As you say: no right, no wrong, just is.


    I look forward to reading about some of your new found insights.
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