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    I always knew that ghosting had great value. Being away from others gives you time to really focus on yourself. However there are times where I feel emotionally distraught and feel the need to talk about feelings. Most times I find something else to do until the feeling is no longer there. Its as if I am forcing myself to do something, with the awareness that even though i do not want to do said task at the moment, if I give it time I'll find myself in a different emotional state and inherently feel better. However I worry that I may be suppressing my emotions, or more so I'm not sure if this is a healthy way to deal with them. I'd like to know you're thoughts on this. As men we were constantly told to ''man up'' and avoid vulnerability so I'm curious as to what strategies you use to deal with emotional turmoil.

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I always knew that ghosting had great value. Being away from others gives you time to really focus on yourself. However there are times where I feel emotionally distraught and feel the need to talk about feelings. Most times I find something else to do until the feeling is no longer there. Its as if I am forcing myself to do something, with the awareness that even though i do not want to do said task at the moment, if I give it time I'll find myself in a different emotional state and inherently feel better. However I worry that I may be suppressing my emotions, or more so I'm not sure if this is a healthy way to deal with them. I'd like to know you're thoughts on this. As men we were constantly told to ''man up'' and avoid vulnerability so I'm curious as to what strategies you use to deal with emotional turmoil.

    Well, first, if you were distraught by your emotions, then you weren't suppressing them. Right?

    So maybe you should define what you mean by suppression of emotion? To have them but not share them with another person? To have them but not manage them intellectually so that they can happen but no longer make you distraught? To be repeatedly distraught by the same underlying issue(s)? To ignore the stimuli? Other?
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    At least for me, what I feel suppression of emotion would be is to feel a certain emotion and not express it. I suppose the thought of suppressing an emotion comes from the idea that I'm doing something to distract me from the emotion, as a way to avoid it.

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    Rewire your mind to isolate emotions from "actions". Eventually you train yourself to compartmentalize any given emotion, thereby marginalizing emotions, so much so that it doesn't gain footing and vanishes almost as fast as it appears. When you master rage, you've mastered them all!

    The mind is programmable, let it run unabated in emotions and you're inviting yourself to become a maniac (female natured).
    As men, we all got the shitty end of the stick, the only difference? MGTOW will not lick it, we stick it back where it came from.

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    It sounds like you are overwhelmed by some emotions and you need time to think about and process them. But, because you are still young and don't have many people to confide in, your emotions sometimes get the better of you, and you feel ''turmoil''.

    In this case, I often take time out from the world and like to think and contemplate in silence, pure silence, no phones, not distractions. Try developing this kind of habit, and see if it brings any benefits.

    Emotions will always be there, but you may improve your ability to deal with the turmoil.
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    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

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    Emotions will always be there, but you may improve your ability to deal with the turmoil.
    Training, training, training!

    Training your emotions successfully is kin to laying the rails over the ties, spiking them down, and putting rail road switches on your emotions and teaching yourself to simply pull the lever dumping that emotion on a side line where it safely rolls to a stop, meanwhile you (the engineer) never took your eyes off your destiny and as usual, once again you weren't derailed and dealing with any wreckage.

    I liken it to Road Rage and those that feed that illness. If you drive (like life) you will have all courtesies denied, your rights violated, and your life threatened (the nature of the beast). How you manage and conduct yourself through all that depends on how you train your emotions.

    I don't blow horns unless it's a matter of safety (blind corners, light taps to notify pedestrians and cyclists).

    I don't boldly assert my right of way by pushing, squeezing, and shoving, in fact, I've avoided countless deadly situations by surrendering that right by backing off and hitting the brakes.

    I don't give people a piece of my mind, nor flip them off with my middle finger.

    I learned to drive by 14 when I drove my dad home when he was intoxicated, raced go carts, and by 17 driving wreckers.

    When I see road rage, I see spoiled children that can't control their emotions.

    As far as road rage is concerned? Without expression, anger, or instigation, I'm the first one to crack a crowbar across someone's face if they think I need a beating and proceed to make it so!

    I don't do road rage, I don't escalate situations, and it's not beneath me apologize to those that choose to seek vindication.

    Three words come to mind when I think about negative emotions; "LET IT GO"
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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    Training, training, training!
    It took me over 7 to 8 years of self - work to even begin getting a grasp on my emotions. It will take another good 5 to 6 years to be able to use my emotions wisely. I wouldn't say they are useless, but I would rather that emotions, once one is "calibrated" properly towards life, are fantastic tools to deal with life's challenges.

    And by the way MGTOWER, you write amazingly! Your English is really good! I always learn a new word or phrase when reading your posts!
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    Tradcon women are the most manipulative of all kinds of women, because they infect you with false hope.
    Radfems are your best friend, because they hate you and verbalise it - that's honesty!

    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    Fantastic insights. I'm open to all ideas. I'll be sure to incorporate them

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    This post reminds me so much of how I felt when I first began to see how truly fucked up society was. I so much wanted to talk to friends and family about the things I was seeing and how I was feeling about it all, but after a few subtle forays into trying to do this it became obvious that they just didn’t want to know. As to why, well I think most people just don’t want to face reality and would rather live in denial. This is the very essence of blue pill thinking and is the reason we are in the state we’re in, for the most part anyway.

    First off I would say to you that these feelings are perfectly normal and many boil down to frustration. Don’t add to them by thinking that they are in some way unmanly, they aren’t. We are emotional beings no matter how much reason and logic we try to bring to the equation.

    With regards not wanting do the task in front of you, may I suggest that it’s because you’re still processing much of the information in front of you and this can be emotionally draining leaving you feeling tired and unable to focus. No matter what you do your mind keeps floating back to all things red pill.

    I suggest setting aside time, say an hour or two after dinner, to devote to it and keep strictly to this schedule until you get more used to things. During the day concentrate solely on those things that need to be done. Then have dinner and relax and give some thought to these things you’re feeling. In this way you will not be suppressing them totally, just giving them their due place. Then go play video games or go out with mates for a while to distract you from it. You do not want this stuff coursing through your mind when going to bed as it might prevent a good night’s sleep thus leading to it all repeating the next day.


    This emotional upheaval you seem to be going through, if left unchecked can lead to depression but luckily for you you now have an outlet – this forum. And the best thing about it is that the fear of making yourself vulnerable is virtually non-existent – it is an anonymous forum after all.

    It can be difficult to talk about such things simply because you are unused to it, and especially on an open forum, baring your soul to the world as it were, but remember that many of us will have gone through similar patches in our lives and may be able to offer some insight, just be prepared for some unexpected answers, some of us may well be in the rage stage. Be patient with us.

    Hell, sometimes just taking the time to formulate a post can help a hell of a lot towards cleaning up your thoughts on the matter. Not only that but by doing so you may well help lurkers to this site that are going through something similar and come here for that very reason.

    And remember that not all MGTOW are ghosts, don’t get stuck into thinking that you have to live in a certain manner. MGTOW is about finding the path that’s right for you. Today you may need to ghost in order to get your thoughts together, but tomorrow you may decide that the bachelor life suits you better. MGTOW is not a jail sentence, in fact it is the very opposite, it is the road to freedom.


    Also you could try reading up on red-pill rage, you will find some of it enlightening. Maybe some of our other members could point you in the right direction to reading material with regards the rage, or maybe some youtube clips. As I was long past the rage before I even heard of the red pill my knowledge here is very limited and I wouldn’t want to point you in a wrong direction.

    Now that you are here you are no longer on your own. And whatever you do don’t blame yourself for anything; it isn’t your fault you were born into slavery both of mind and body.

    Living the MGTOW life may be a decision, but that decision leads to a very long journey. Be patient with yourself, sorting all this out takes time, it’s not like flicking a switch.
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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I always knew that ghosting had great value. Being away from others gives you time to really focus on yourself. However there are times where I feel emotionally distraught and feel the need to talk about feelings. Most times I find something else to do until the feeling is no longer there. Its as if I am forcing myself to do something, with the awareness that even though i do not want to do said task at the moment, if I give it time I'll find myself in a different emotional state and inherently feel better. However I worry that I may be suppressing my emotions, or more so I'm not sure if this is a healthy way to deal with them. I'd like to know you're thoughts on this. As men we were constantly told to ''man up'' and avoid vulnerability so I'm curious as to what strategies you use to deal with emotional turmoil.
    You obviously don't see the benefits of ghosting if you feel the way you do. I'm not being a prick but just pointing things out. A man that is alone but feels alone is in bad company. I've always been a loner and people only knew me when they wanted something. Women especially. I wasen't good enough to be a boyfriend but I was good enough to be Mr. Fix it and Mr. Therapist. I cut all negative out of my life. As The Donald would say "You're fired". You'll notice your stress levels go down a lot when users are out of your life. It's your life and world. Do what you like & want. There are times when I feel alone but I then think about how I felt around others. Alone and broke. When it came to women & friends the song "Too much time on my hands" By Styx said it best "I got dozens of friends and the fun never ends AS LONG AS I'M BUYING". The key is to be productive. Is there a sport, food, music, movie , etc you like? Do some history search on it. Right now I'm studying the bible & Jesus Christ. It's awesome. Most of the things we are taught are wrong. When you study history then you end up studying a whole other topic with it. Life is short too waste time by feeling alone. There is always things to do but never enough time. I'm rambling ....I know I know but you fellas should be used to me by now....

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    I think there's an important distinction to be made between suppression and repression. One's emotions are largely beyond conscious control; it's the actions that come from them that may be assessed and judged. To suppress an emotion does not mean to ignore it; one acknowledges it, exercises self-control by deciding to deal with it later, then moves on. This is a relatively rational way to deal with the turmoil.

    However, repression of emotions is the willful denial of them; this is unhealthy and can lead to irrational behaviours and sub-optimal outcomes.
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    I think the young man Luthen is still new to MGTOW and this forum, let us help him and be supportive. Luthen, feel free to ask questions and we can support you in anyway we can. It could lead to new insights for us as well!
    A mother cannot raise a boy to be a man, not because he needs a father figure; but because she favours team vagina over her own son.

    Tradcon women are the most manipulative of all kinds of women, because they infect you with false hope.
    Radfems are your best friend, because they hate you and verbalise it - that's honesty!

    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I always knew that ghosting had great value. Being away from others gives you time to really focus on yourself. However there are times where I feel emotionally distraught and feel the need to talk about feelings. Most times I find something else to do until the feeling is no longer there. Its as if I am forcing myself to do something, with the awareness that even though i do not want to do said task at the moment, if I give it time I'll find myself in a different emotional state and inherently feel better. However I worry that I may be suppressing my emotions, or more so I'm not sure if this is a healthy way to deal with them. I'd like to know you're thoughts on this. As men we were constantly told to ''man up'' and avoid vulnerability so I'm curious as to what strategies you use to deal with emotional turmoil.
    Hi Luthen, I can't say if this perspective might help but it never hurts to view things from a different angle .

    First off, I think the difference between suppression and control is merely in the intent in my opinion. To clarify, a person who feels anger but decides not to act on it due to an understanding of the consequences, is different from a man who despite feeling anger towards a woman for denying him sexual access, continues to lie to himself and also her, about not feeling any animosity towards her or trying to ignore the tingling in his groin because he does not want to seem sexual .

    It might not seem like a large difference but in one case the final result is a perverse denial of reality and in the other it forces one to reflect on the conditions he currently finds himself in and how he can alter it to avoid feeling so powerless in the future that he is unable to air a legitimate grievance . One leads towards growth the pther towards a shrivelling of ones essence .

    Now, onto the cause of the feelings elicited by these situations, it seems most times it can be attributed to cognitive dissonance . Let me explain; when one's world view is upturned by any event he is forced to either recalibrate or deny reality . The thing is, it's often less mentally traumatic to assert that there is some fault with the world rather than accept that its our delusions that make it seem there is some flaw in the fabric of reality.

    But one might be quick to assert that there is ample reinforcement of such errorneous perspectives in society but it still dows not change the fact that it was the same majority who at one time believed in so many improbable things that are now considered laughable now . Shifting the responsibility for one's growth to external agents only works in the movies about the chosen one, in reality; you choose to becomethe chosen one .

    Men seem to have fallen into the female fantasy of being the object being acted upon by circumstances beyond their control, ( maybe it was all the disney fairy tales and romantic comedies ) but it is not a viable way to live life in fullness.

    So my suggestion would be to learn to master these emotions as they are telling you something about your reality . The problem is that most people have become so disconnected from their emotions that they think the act they put on for social approval are their real emotions and dismiss their real emotions as illusory. To assist in that direction I would suggest getting into journaling, I would recommended destiniiprocess.com . Its a helpful tool for learning how to journal and they have some good insight but I would suggest not getting caught up in their other narratives about the world, as in my opinion its not very useful .


    I hope my little contribution will be iseful to you on your journey, cheers .

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    Re: Emotional Turmoil

    I so much wanted to talk to friends and family about the things I was seeing and how I was feeling about it all, but after a few subtle forays into trying to do this it became obvious that they just didn’t want to know. As to why, well I think most people just don’t want to face reality and would rather live in denial.
    I feel like this quite frequently whenever I'm dealing with most people. It can be quite frustrating to have knowledge and have no one to share it with.

    This emotional upheaval you seem to be going through, if left unchecked can lead to depression but luckily for you you now have an outlet – this forum.
    Yes! Definitely! After finding this forum and reading through many posts it felt very relieving to see that other people had very similar thoughts to my own. There was a feeling of ''I knew I wasn't crazy''. Literally one of the best feelings ever.

    Hell, sometimes just taking the time to formulate a post can help a hell of a lot towards cleaning up your thoughts on the matter.
    By the time I finished started this post I felt a lot better. I think that the fact that I've been surrounded by blue pillers my entire life, trying to explain some rather unorthodox ideas and ways of living, to now find out about MGTOW and find a community that I can actually engage with is refreshing beyond words.

    Be patient with yourself, sorting all this out takes time, it’s not like flicking a switch.
    This really spoke to me. I very much appreciate this.

    You obviously don't see the benefits of ghosting if you feel the way you do. I'm not being a prick but just pointing things out. A man that is alone but feels alone is in bad company.
    I wouldn't necessarily say that I don't see the benefits of ghosting. It's more so instances that I feel that I need to express my emotions, usually by talking them out. I see myself as a ghost, but I still want to share my ideas and thoughts with others. To be a part of and apart from so to speak. Given our instincts I think it's only natural that we wish to engage in some way shape or form. But i'm also open to the idea that maybe there is more to ghosting than I'm aware of. I'm sure there is more to discover.

    When you study history then you end up studying a whole other topic with it.
    This is a really interesting idea. Right now I'm studying up on evolutionary psychology and it makes me wonder more and more about the Paleolithic era and what that particular point in time was like. There's also many other types of psychology that have caught my interest while studying this subject. I'll definitely be sure to study more history as well.

    I think the young man Luthen is still new to MGTOW and this forum, let us help him and be supportive. Luthen, feel free to ask questions and we can support you in anyway we can. It could lead to new insights for us as well!
    I appreciate this. I found out about MGTOW about a month ago and about this forum very recently. The ideas within MGTOW resonated very much with me. I absolutely hated the idea of devaluing myself for a woman. I also kept to myself most of the time and being that everyone around me was telling me that I was wrong and that i should just be like everyone else, I was very confused. MGTOW was very much a relief for me. I also want to mention that I am in my 20's and I recognize that there are many of you who have a lot more life experience than I have and more insights to offer, so I very much appreciate any and all comments. I don't want to come off like a know-it-all. I know when I am around insightful people and I am humbled to be able to receive your input. I definitely intend to share more, create more posts, and learn what I can. So again, I thank you all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I always knew that ghosting had great value. Being away from others gives you time to really focus on yourself. However there are times where I feel emotionally distraught and feel the need to talk about feelings. Most times I find something else to do until the feeling is no longer there. Its as if I am forcing myself to do something, with the awareness that even though i do not want to do said task at the moment, if I give it time I'll find myself in a different emotional state and inherently feel better. However I worry that I may be suppressing my emotions, or more so I'm not sure if this is a healthy way to deal with them. I'd like to know you're thoughts on this. As men we were constantly told to ''man up'' and avoid vulnerability so I'm curious as to what strategies you use to deal with emotional turmoil.
    I'll try to take a crack at this. I think I may be able to offer some sound advice.

    I think that no matter what, we all will feel down at times. There may not even be anything wrong in our daily life at that moment but we just don't feel too happy. I think most would say that suppressing those feelings would be unhealthy but you have to find a constructive way to release them.

    To release negative thoughts, sad thoughts, or thoughts of anxiety, I personally love to exercise. I have a garage-gym with a power rack and over 1000lbs of iron. Doing some deficit deadlifts when I'm having an emotional day is no better therapy for me. There is an interesting article by Henry Rollins called "Iron and Soul". It elaborates quite well on the positive effects a good strength training routine can provide.

    Try getting outdoors for a walk, pick up some iron, go swimming, or bike ride when you are having negative feelings and release them in such a way that it benefits you. Emotions are perfectly natural and they can work for you or against.

    I hope that this possibly resonates.
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    I appreciate this. I found out about MGTOW about a month ago and about this forum very recently. The ideas within MGTOW resonated very much with me. I absolutely hated the idea of devaluing myself for a woman. I also kept to myself most of the time and being that everyone around me was telling me that I was wrong and that i should just be like everyone else, I was very confused. MGTOW was very much a relief for me.
    Luthen, you are most welcome. I struggled with myself for many years where I degraded myself for the sake of women. I realised that there was more to the story, that I had some issues in my past which made me crave and grovel around women.

    The feeling of relief is because you finally are becoming in touch with your own self, own values, own views and you are creating a comfortable space in your life where you are safe enough to think about how you want to live your life.

    Often times, as men, we have narratives shoved down our throats:

    "be a man, don't cry"
    "be productive, work hard"
    "take risks, where's your balls?"

    You get the gist. Not saying you should or shouldn't do the above, but the main thing is that you feel comfortable, and you choose your own identity as a man, in your own time and at your own pace. It takes time to create an identity that is genuine and truly yours, so be patient, kind and caring with your self, but also be curios and hopeful, you will begin have more joy in your life.
    A mother cannot raise a boy to be a man, not because he needs a father figure; but because she favours team vagina over her own son.

    Tradcon women are the most manipulative of all kinds of women, because they infect you with false hope.
    Radfems are your best friend, because they hate you and verbalise it - that's honesty!

    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!


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