Thread: Double Life?

Originally Posted by stanmsl

On the outside I'm essentially the same person I was 5 years ago, but I'm doing a slow steady calculated withdrawal from my previous bad habits examples include.

Withdrawing from female friends who offer no actual benefit to my life.

Slowly reducing contact with friends to once a month who do little beyond sitting in the same pub every weekend, The pandemic has been perfect in doing this. I jump on the bus a lot of weekends now to do activities via meetup.

Deleting unneeded Facebook friends or just taking them off my news feed especially attention seeking victim playing middle aged women.

Refusing to help out at work Saturday mornings until various issues have been sorted out, no fuss, no argument just refuse.

Do my convict conditioning exercises everyday in my bedroom, without telling anyone.

I try to avoid white knighting / giving special favors to women whenever I'm consciously aware I'm about to do it.

I could add more but these are enough to make a point. Thankfully now in my 40s I'm less hassled to keep up with the Joneses or keep explaining why I haven't settled down yet.

You sound like a man that has cut himself lots of slack on social constraints that only serve to bind and befuddle a man.

I feel the same way, I'm on a journey of solitude and isolation in the safe spaces provided by logical pragmatic thinking that's based in a self-rule driven sanity.

People have done, and do some pretty insane shit to each other, a circle of circlejerks I'm living much better without. My friends of the same feather are more precious than gold and silver! Time tested and true friends I have only found in our gender, I cannot pretend life has taught me otherwise nor can I bullshit myself in a gaslight lie. The chips fell where they fell after the sexual revolution and radical cultural shifts and changes in gender dynamics.

The war on men is over when a man walks off the battlefield and vanishes in the haze of gun smoke, never to be seen or heard from again...

Originally Posted by stanmsl

Deleting unneeded Facebook friends or just taking them off my news feed especially attention seeking victim playing middle aged women.

Facebook is for keeping in touch with blood relatives.
It's not for attention seeking whores.

Originally Posted by mgtower

People have done, and do some pretty insane shit to each other, a circle of circlejerks I'm living much better without. My friends of the same feather are more precious than gold and silver! Time tested and true friends I have only found in our gender, I cannot pretend life has taught me otherwise nor can I bullshit myself in a gaslight lie. The chips fell where they fell after the sexual revolution and radical cultural shifts and changes in gender dynamics.

The war on men is over when a man walks off the battlefield and vanishes in the haze of gun smoke, never to be seen or heard from again...

I can relate to this. I feel less of an urge to be around most other people because the cultural shift to all things feminine has made it to where I can't be around most people. My current views about the world (views that would be seen as normal 20 years ago) are now seen as "archaic" and "dangerous". Men can't be men anymore in this current climate.

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

I can relate to this. I feel less of an urge to be around most other people because the cultural shift to all things feminine has made it to where I can't be around most people. My current views about the world (views that would be seen as normal 20 years ago) are now seen as "archaic" and "dangerous". Men can't be men anymore in this current climate.

Just wait a season or two, when the SHTF, they'll be shaming and begging us to return to the way things should be, a return to traditional masculinity, but their pleas will fall on deaf ears.

We were not created for the exclusive service to women nor to be mastered over by anyone.

Originally Posted by mgtower

Just wait a season or two, when the SHTF, they'll be shaming and begging us to return to the way things should be, a return to traditional masculinity, but their pleas will fall on deaf ears.

We were not created for the exclusive service to women nor to be mastered over by anyone.

Couldn't agree more.

When the lights go out, feminism goes out that same instant.

Pretty much whenever I talk to anyone else. 99% of people in this world are complete normies, which is to say they have no idea how the world actually functions.

Hi all,

My thoughts:

1. This stuff isn't improving in the workplace anytime soon. So if you can, its worth putting a long term plan in place to either:
   
   1. Create your own business, preferably one that doesn't involve working with the public.
   2. Getting into a male dominated industry.
      
      1. This stuff is serious upfront time and money. However believe me its worth it; in regular employment you can hit the diversity ceiling at any point.*
   
   
2. In the meantime:
   
   1. Avoid contact as much as possible. If COVID/lockdowns is giving you the option to do so, work from home.
   2. Do not engage with women at all. Even older ones who may seem more reasonable, are not. They know which side their bread is buttered.**
   3. And of course the basics; e.g. never be alone with a woman.
   4. FALLBACK: If you must, pull a diversity card (all of a sudden I'm gay/trans/whatever).

In terms of the motivation drain of keeping up the act, unfortunately I don't think there's a way around it. Its an unavoidable part of modern life. Only two things have ever helped me:

• Working on my long term plans so i can one day shove their job where the sun don't shine (see 1 above).
• Playing pranks on the blue pillers to watch them go insane with rage. E.G. putting up signs in my workplace that say "The Wall Is Undefeated". Obviously, this requires some major work to not get caught or even suspected.

Best of luck to you all out there,

Suspicious Crow.

P.S. I've not posted in a while but I've been lurking, like a creepy ex who just won't leave you alone.

*I've hit this ceiling myself. Past two years I've been consistently turned down for better jobs in my company; always gone to a woman. I wish I'd put that effort into starting my own business. Still better late than never.
**Recent example from my own life, a female member of my team in her 50s who has previously commented on her dislike of feminism; is now a member of one of the companies Diversity Boards (yes that's the actual name for these groups) and is mercilessly trying to cram this stuff into my team.

Originally Posted by suspiciouscrow

Hi all,

My thoughts:

1. This stuff isn't improving in the workplace anytime soon. So if you can, its worth putting a long term plan in place to either:
   
   1. Create your own business, preferably one that doesn't involve working with the public.
   2. Getting into a male dominated industry.
      
      1. This stuff is serious upfront time and money. However believe me its worth it; in regular employment you can hit the diversity ceiling at any point.*
   
   
2. In the meantime:
   
   1. Avoid contact as much as possible. If COVID/lockdowns is giving you the option to do so, work from home.
   2. Do not engage with women at all. Even older ones who may seem more reasonable, are not. They know which side their bread is buttered.**
   3. And of course the basics; e.g. never be alone with a woman.
   4. FALLBACK: If you must, pull a diversity card (all of a sudden I'm gay/trans/whatever).

In terms of the motivation drain of keeping up the act, unfortunately I don't think there's a way around it. Its an unavoidable part of modern life. Only two things have ever helped me:

• Working on my long term plans so i can one day shove their job where the sun don't shine (see 1 above).
• Playing pranks on the blue pillers to watch them go insane with rage. E.G. putting up signs in my workplace that say "The Wall Is Undefeated". Obviously, this requires some major work to not get caught or even suspected.

Best of luck to you all out there,

Suspicious Crow.

P.S. I've not posted in a while but I've been lurking, like a creepy ex who just won't leave you alone.

*I've hit this ceiling myself. Past two years I've been consistently turned down for better jobs in my company; always gone to a woman. I wish I'd put that effort into starting my own business. Still better late than never.
**Recent example from my own life, a female member of my team in her 50s who has previously commented on her dislike of feminism; is now a member of one of the companies Diversity Boards (yes that's the actual name for these groups) and is mercilessly trying to cram this stuff into my team.

I'm totally independent of the corporate handcuffs I call mandated gender and ethnic discriminations based on arbitrary numbers and not the quality nor output and input of the individual and his efforts, we're under a cement ceiling that's plain to see when we approach things logically, pragmatically, with debate and reasoning, but that stopped happening with the hive and their ignorant arrogant narcissistic approach to everything.

A long time ago, before the Berlin Wall came down, I heard an East German man speaking so logically and plainly in fewest words imaginal, he summed up everything we see today after decades under communist control from the centralized government based in Moscow known as the Kremlin CCCP- (Союз Советских Социалистических Республик) USSR- (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) where he simply said: "They pretend to pay, and we pretend to work", and in his statement the truth couldn't be more defined with fewer words, those are now the policies of western countries that now slip beneath the waves of progressive communism.

Realize this and you'll know where to place your efforts, I believe the black-market, under-the-table, and bartering are the key to surviving this geo-political-executive cultural stage4 cancer that has inundated the entire political mechanism and mainstream throughout western nations.

In my own personal renaissances after several .gov intrusions over my oxidized civil rights, I've discovered these self evident truths to be undeniable and incontrovertible.

Hyperinflation and stagnation are the future as bailouts become another form of centralized control over who fails and who wins based on party principles and loyalty, thereby gutting and destroying the free market and lowering the standard of living for the masses, just like we see today as they lambasted all opposition including silencing the seated president and millions of others that gathered together on Parlor having all their civil rights trampled under the stampede of one party governing.

Corporate America will die on the umbilical cord of this new branded government under the guys of centralized communism.

You're efforts are being wasted on a ghost ship! Grab a life boat and start rowing!

Double life is important to lead the schemers astray aka women.

First the double life gives you a layer of protection against nosy female relatives that want free work/resources from you as a man. Sad to say but these female relatives will cause drama as your wealth grows and they become older. They will even start fights with other female relatives and try to drag you as a man into their petty arguments. Don't take the bait.

Second for keeping at bay non blood related females the double life gives you enough plausible deniability to accomplish what you want to do. Job, hobbies, being left alone, etc.

The bonus of a double life is that it is the best way to gather information that you would not be privy to if you spoke your mind constantly. Gathering intel against family, friends, and coworkers so you are protected and can counter any confrontations is key.

I dunno about this whole double life. Seems more of a genuine life to me. I find being myself, ie a man, who answers to no one but himself, and goes his own way, to be adequate to keep most people away from me.
Even the way I talk and think does it. As Tower states above

when we approach things logically, pragmatically, with debate and reasoning

- this repels most women instantly.
There are certainly tips we can share to avoid the line of fire. But full red pill knowledge and experience gives you that awareness to instinctively avoid most traps anyway.
If I was obviously wealthy this double act may be more necessary.. because wamens are gonna overlook the fact you don't make them FEEL GOOD / elicit tingles because they're seeing a paycheck.

Take me as an example. Average to good looking, short to medium height. Live in a humble cottage, quiet life. Personality.. do not and will not take orders from anyone. Value truth, integrity, honesty. Fill my time with work and hobbies, which might be reading and learning about humans and the world, or improving my home, or fitness. Walk around with confidence, I mean true confidence in myself, which scares wamens more than it attracts them (signals I can't be whipped). Needless to say I do not have wamen battering down my door. I may have the odd admirer from time to time, but in my experience wamen either say nothing or try to manipulate you into making a move on them. Which ain't happening any more. So for me personally there's no real need to put on an act. I ain't what most wamens are looking for these days. Now if I drove a flashy car, or had other flashy adornments to my life, I may be more of a target. But as a MGTOW I don't want to be, and anyway it is not in my nature to be in the limelight/centre of attention. I prefer to go unnoticed and let my qualities be appreciated without 'selling' them to anyone.

Originally Posted by happybachelor

I dunno about this whole double life. I find being myself, ie a man, who answers to no one but himself, and goes his own way, to be adequate to keep most people away from me.
Even theThe way I talk and think does it. As Tower states above - this repels most women instantly.(Instantly? It takes their intellectual legs out from under them faster than a bat to a stork's legs standing in hardened concrete)
There are certainly tips we can share to avoid the line of fire. But full red pill knowledge and experience gives you that awareness to instinctively avoid most traps anyway.(Only until you recognize natural law and trust your 1st instincts, you're running around in a minefield with snow shoes on.)
If I was obviously wealthy this double act may be more necessary.. because wamens are gonna overlook the fact you don't make them FEEL GOOD / elicit tingles because they're seeing a paycheck. (paycheck? No no, the thing about a women, they have lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes, when they start rolling and twisting in family court, there's nuthin' left but your bones in a matter of minutes)

Take me as an example. Average to good looking, short to medium height. Live in a humble cottage, quiet life. Personality.. do not and will not take orders from anyone.(unless it's in the spirit of mutual cooperation to achieve a mutual goal, forming a chain of command that responds to feedback, something women in artificial power have no concept of, especially the feedback, they take it as an insult by bruising their narcissistic artificially inflated egos, they function like rocks in a transmission) Value truth, integrity, honesty. Fill my time with work and hobbies, which might be reading and learning about humans and the world, or improving my home, or fitness. Walk around with confidence, I mean true confidence in myself, which scares wamens more than it attracts them (signals I can't be whipped)(also signals they can be and will be). Needless to say I do not have wamen battering down my door. I may have the odd admirer from time to time, but in my experience wamen either say nothing or try to manipulate you into making a move on them. Which ain't happening any more. So for me personally there's no real need to put on an act. I ain't what most wamens are looking for these days. Now if I drove a flashy car, or had other flashy adornments to my life, (Toyota and Honda last 30 years, don't need a positronic brain to figure that one out, that's like 5 or 6 marriages) I may be more of a target. But as a MGTOW I don't want to be, and anyway it is not in my nature to be in the limelight/centre of attention.(again, minefield, with enemy machine gun nests everywhere) I prefer to go unnoticed and let my qualities be appreciated without 'selling' them to anyone.(Bravo! CLAP CLAP, CLAP, now here's a man that know a value and sold it to himself, and that's the breeder reactor of masculinity fortifying itself).

^^^justfuckin'around

Fuckin A man! Excellent additions and clarifications. Especially my oversight about not taking orders, unlike egocentric wamens I accept my position in a given hierarchy.. think about it you can't have all chiefs and no Indians.. nothing works.. hence the state of the world. Wamens are thick as fuck!

Originally Posted by stanmsl

Do my convict conditioning exercises everyday in my bedroom, without telling anyone.

Ah a fellow Convict Conditioner! What program out of Paul Wade's book do you follow? I personally am a fan of the "Good Behavior" routine. It's 3 days a week mandatory and allows for ample recoverability. Hopefully I'll be able to get that 1-armed pull-up.

Originally Posted by Azure Nomad

Double life is important to lead the schemers astray aka women.

First the double life gives you a layer of protection against nosy female relatives that want free work/resources from you as a man. Sad to say but these female relatives will cause drama as your wealth grows and they become older. They will even start fights with other female relatives and try to drag you as a man into their petty arguments. Don't take the bait.

The "double life" is really a deterrent or a way to "throw of the scent" of people who want to exploit you. You could call it "ghosting in plain sight" as well. I would say that some may lead less of a double life than others but unless you are a hermit and live in the woods, I don't see how you can live in a western country and be 100% who you are, all the time.

Originally Posted by Bonobo Protocol

Ah a fellow Convict Conditioner! What program out of Paul Wade's book do you follow? I personally am a fan of the "Good Behavior" routine. It's 3 days a week mandatory and allows for ample recoverability. Hopefully I'll be able to get that 1-armed pull-up.

I don't follow a set program but one I have sort of made up. I review it every 3 months tweaking according to what works and what doesn't.

Went I went fully MGTOW, I felt released from the need to be someone, a character, interesting etc. I hardly ever express myself, unless I feel like it. I suppose this is me instinctively keeping my cards close to my chest, but it's also the fact that I consider the vast majority of people to be childish or otherwise pathetic. Lol. I quite like being the grey man.

Originally Posted by mgtower

No no, the thing about a women, they have lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes, when they start rolling and twisting in family court, there's nuthin' left but your bones in a matter of minutes)

I'll recognize that anywhere!


Quint:

Sometimes that shark, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a shark, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.

Originally Posted by Unboxxed

I'll recognize that anywhere!


Quint:

Sometimes that shark, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a shark, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then... oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the ocean turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces.

When I read Quint's lines, my mind's ear hears it in Quint's accent and voice!

Originally Posted by mgtower

When I read Quint's lines, my mind's ear hears it in Quint's accent and voice!

Me, too! Most definitely!

Originally Posted by stanmsl

I don't follow a set program but one I have sort of made up. I review it every 3 months tweaking according to what works and what doesn't.

I hear that. I have been training "Convict Conditioning" for about 2 years now. I did it to "supplement" my weight training originally but have since noticed that it could be done on it's own with no need to weight train. It's nice to have the knowledge to effectively use progressive calisthenics to get stronger especially if you don't have access to a gym. I find that concept liberating.