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    The 2020 Ghost?

    Iím all for ghosting in plain sight; being able to go out and mingle and be one of the crowd. We all have different views after all, and eligible men choosing to remain single is becoming more commonplace. There will be those that raise an eyebrow and wonder why, but there is no longer much stigmatisation attributed to this behaviour (amongst men anyway); it is accepted if not understood.

    Generally speaking I have no problem deflecting blue pill philosophy without trashing it completely as I could; Iíve had too many yearsí experience to be otherwise. But this is with reasonable people, those of my own age group and older (50ís) that understand the benefits even if they donít accept these benefits outweigh their own experiences of raising a family. Fair enough.

    ButÖ

    It seems to me that there is an ever increasing polarisation happening in society: ďIf youíre not one of us, youíre one of themĒ.

    I am curious as to how this affects the current late teens to 30 somethings. When younger MGTOW go out into society as Iím sure you do, how do you manage to deflect the pressures of todayís society?

    As an oul wan, the younger generations can probably write me off as I simply donít understand. Whilst nothing could be further from the truth, I am happy to let them believe this Ė ghosting in plain sight 101.

    Today there is a myriad of causes: womenís rights, LGTB rights, minority rights, workplace rights, sexual assault, domestic violence, (trans)gender discrimination etc. The list is endless.

    I am curious as to how you cope, and just as importantly have you any tips or advice that could maybe help lurkers (non-members) to this site.

    For me in my day it wasnít that difficult, although it wasnít exactly a breeze, but as I say society seems to be becoming more polarised.

    Do you see it this way or do you think only the causes have changed but the basics remain the same?

    Is it more difficult to be young, red-pilled and to ghost today than it was yesterday?
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    I somewhat relate to this post but at the same time it is difficult to answer with efficiency, so I'll do my best.

    When younger MGTOW go out into society as I’m sure you do, how do you manage to deflect the pressures of today’s society?
    Personally, I simply don't engage with society enough for me to feel their pressures. I have 3 friends that I talk to a couple of times a month. There was a time when we spoke about marriage and ''finding the one'' with one of these friends, to which I decided to give him my red pill opinion. He didn't seem to take it well and proceeded to tell me why I was wrong (instead of trying to question how I could be right). This is where I begin to disconnect. I just nod and let them feel like they've won. And in all honesty this is my approach to people who aren't willing to listen with curiosity, or listen at all (almost everyone). I allow them to win the discussion and watch them end up in a lose-lose situation.

    Something that also helped me detach from society and its pressures was disconnecting from social media. At my age it's very easy to fall into craving validation from others and social media just amplifies this. It was also sad for me to see what people paid attention to. I did an experiment where I would post 3 memes and then post an insightful quote about self-reliance every day for a week, just to see what people cared about more. Needless to say, nobody gave a fuck about self-reliance.

    So I guess that I deflect societies pressures by not having to deal with them at all.

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I somewhat relate to this post but at the same time it is difficult to answer with efficiency, so I'll do my best.


    Personally, I simply don't engage with society enough for me to feel their pressures. I have 3 friends that I talk to a couple of times a month. There was a time when we spoke about marriage and ''finding the one'' with one of these friends, to which I decided to give him my red pill opinion. He didn't seem to take it well and proceeded to tell me why I was wrong (instead of trying to question how I could be right). This is where I begin to disconnect. I just nod and let them feel like they've won. And in all honesty this is my approach to people who aren't willing to listen with curiosity, or listen at all (almost everyone). I allow them to win the discussion and watch them end up in a lose-lose situation.

    Something that also helped me detach from society and its pressures was disconnecting from social media. At my age it's very easy to fall into craving validation from others and social media just amplifies this. It was also sad for me to see what people paid attention to. I did an experiment where I would post 3 memes and then post an insightful quote about self-reliance every day for a week, just to see what people cared about more. Needless to say, nobody gave a fuck about self-reliance.

    So I guess that I deflect societies pressures by not having to deal with them at all.
    I found it's best to yield to stupidity and let them run their course, being aware makes all the difference when it comes to avoiding all the collisions and resulting disasters, it's kinda like wearing waders when you have to walk waste deep in shit.

    Who am I to argue with someone that says cyanide prevents the spread of Corona virus? As far as I can tell, they happen to be right...
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I allow them to win the discussion and watch them end up in a lose-lose situation.

    So I guess that I deflect societies pressures by not having to deal with them at all.
    What a great attitude, and I concur completely.

    Some people you can talk to and you realise that they are open to debate, but these are few a far between.

    For the most part, people are set into the views that have been dictated to them. It doesn't take long to discern these people, they're everywhere and they usually spew the same rhetorical bullshit.

    In order to ghost properly, it's best just to let them think they've won the debate - they won't be swayed either way anyway. If you demolish their arguments it just serves to make them more argumentative and entrenched. It's as if the truth and the facts mean nothing to them.

    I don't understand why this is so, but I accept that it is and that is enough for me.
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    I usually don't debate or get into discussions with blue pill types. Especially in the world we are living in today. Seems to work. Don't be afraid to Ghost.





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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Some people you can talk to and you realise that they are open to debate, but these are few a far between.

    For the most part, people are set into the views that have been dictated to them.
    ''People aren't asking the right questions because they think they know all of the answers''

    I can't remember where I heard this quote but it's what came to mind as I read your post.

    They don't even realize that they are identifying with beliefs that they adopted from others just for the sake of being part of the group. It's sad. And the fact that they want to convert you to their beliefs is almost narcissistic. ''You don't think like me? Something must be wrong with you.'' They're too afraid to have ideas that challenge their social environment.

    In my eyes, MGTOW is for the bold.

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Ah, man, is this year a shitshow! Forget coronavirus, there is a global pandemic of meddlesome, hateful, totalitarian pieces of shit do-gooder pretender motherfucking sons and daughters of bitches infecting and ruining every aspect of life. Not to mention the slavish hordes that kowtow to these people, yearning for their totalitarian master’s good graces like a dog yowling for a pat on the head.

    Fuck these humanoids,
    fuck this planet,
    fuck life,
    and fuck every single universe
    that comes up with anything even remotely like this
    fucked up piece of shit.

    (Yeah, you can say I find ghosting hard this year.)

    Edit: I went through Jackoff’s opening post again as I was trying to cool off. I only now realize that he was asking younger people. I am no longer young. Oops. Apologies, Jackoff, I had not paid attention.
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoidberg View Post
    ah, man, is this year a shitshow! Forget coronavirus, there is a global pandemic of meddlesome, hateful, totalitarian pieces of shit do-gooder pretender motherfucking sons and daughters of bitches infecting and ruining every aspect of life. Not to mention the slavish hordes that kowtow to these people, yearning for their totalitarian master’s good graces like a dog yowling for a pat on the head.

    Fuck these humanoids,
    fuck this planet,
    fuck life,
    and fuck every single universe
    that comes up with anything even remotely like this
    fucked up piece of shit.

    (yeah, you can say i find ghosting hard this year.)
    ^^^^give that man all the weapons and ammo he can carry! I'll even drive the jeep!
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Society tossed me in the trash long ago. I was raised to be nice, provide, and just bend over & smile. I woke up kinda late(mid 20s) and it hurt so much. Now I prefer being a ghost. People just used me for what they wanted and then left. People also got me into trouble and left me holding the bag. They didn't get into one bit of trouble and got a bunch of excuses for them. As women would say "Well he's not a bad looking guy". Yeah. Those same "not bad looking guys" were the ones to hurt them & still be loved & hold a place in women's hearts. I never held a place in any woman's heart. You'd think being the first born & only son I'd hold a place in my mom's heart. Nope. She chose her gina tingles over me. I was the first born grandson and my grandma hated me for no reason and had no contact with me. Her other grand kids knew where she was and had contact with her. Women never wanted me. Even my mom's pregnancy was ghost. Her friends didn't bother with her or throw her a baby shower.

    People whined about the quarantine. I felt like yelling from the roof tops "Welcome to my world, Cunts!". Everyday is quarantine to me. I can go weeks without speaking to another soul except a "Hey how ya doing?" to a store cashier. Being ghost has its benefits and saves a lot of time & money.

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    I never held a place in any woman's heart.
    Don't look for things that exist only by imaginary fabrication.

    Looking for a place in the heart of a woman is like looking for a bright sunny day in a coal mine.

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Don't look for things that exist only by imaginary fabrication.

    Looking for a place in the heart of a woman is like looking for a bright sunny day in a coal mine.
    Oh it exists just not for me. Women will always hold a place for the guys they partied with, had sex with, and hurt them. The guys that were like me who treated them like gold and gave them everything will never hold a place in their hearts. They will be looked at with hatred.

    One thing I will give credit to women for is this. No matter who the woman in my life was(mother, wife, friend,etc) , I'd get compliments from women on how I was a good man and treated them like gold.

    I use to think they were being kind by saying that but now I see they just wanted to find a way to monkey branch off me. Fuck that.

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Looks like this young man Luthen is way ahead of the game. I only just came to the conclusion that one should just play dumb and let people walk into the potholes.

    I had rage, anger, bitterness and disappointment at the amount of moral corruption I saw around me.

    The best tool you can have in staying safe in the current gynocentric society is to tell people what they want to hear. To agree with everything, but of course inside you feel differently.

    If you meet me, I am probably the most PC and mainstream guy around. But, my actions speak otherwise, I don't date (unless the woman initiates and is chasing me), I don't pay for women, even my own female siblings, I don't help women or blue pill men out; even if they are really struggling.

    I only engage in relationships that are reciprocal, men or woman.
    A mother cannot raise a boy to be a man, not because he needs a father figure; but because she favours team vagina over her own son.

    Tradcon women are the most manipulative of all kinds of women, because they infect you with false hope.
    Radfems are your best friend, because they hate you and verbalise it - that's honesty!

    The red pill rage is a process which takes many many years - so be kind and patient with yourself; you will overcome it!

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Oh it exists just not for me. Women will always hold a place for the guys they partied with, had sex with, and hurt them. The guys that were like me who treated them like gold and gave them everything will never hold a place in their hearts. They will be looked at with hatred.

    One thing I will give credit to women for is this. No matter who the woman in my life was(mother, wife, friend,etc) , I'd get compliments from women on how I was a good man and treated them like gold.

    I use to think they were being kind by saying that but now I see they just wanted to find a way to monkey branch off me. Fuck that.
    You're looking at it all wrong, there's not a man alive that doesn't tire of women and the cringe worthy drama saturated shit they do. I see them for what they are through the prism of nature vs. unnatural counter-intuitive counter-productive laws and social abnormalities and atrocities.

    I have no need for an emotional terrorist that spends every waking moment on how to get even, how to get what they want, how to manipulate, how to spitefully use a man and drain him of all his emotional health after Olympic mental gymnastic games!

    I rejoice in my lot in life simply not being one of their victims, I've had my share of venom! I shall never be bitten again, I don't bite myself and I don't let others!
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luthen View Post
    I somewhat relate to this post but at the same time it is difficult to answer with efficiency, so I'll do my best.


    Personally, I simply don't engage with society enough for me to feel their pressures. I have 3 friends that I talk to a couple of times a month. There was a time when we spoke about marriage and ''finding the one'' with one of these friends, to which I decided to give him my red pill opinion. He didn't seem to take it well and proceeded to tell me why I was wrong (instead of trying to question how I could be right). This is where I begin to disconnect. I just nod and let them feel like they've won. And in all honesty this is my approach to people who aren't willing to listen with curiosity, or listen at all (almost everyone). I allow them to win the discussion and watch them end up in a lose-lose situation.

    Something that also helped me detach from society and its pressures was disconnecting from social media. At my age it's very easy to fall into craving validation from others and social media just amplifies this. It was also sad for me to see what people paid attention to. I did an experiment where I would post 3 memes and then post an insightful quote about self-reliance every day for a week, just to see what people cared about more. Needless to say, nobody gave a fuck about self-reliance.

    So I guess that I deflect societies pressures by not having to deal with them at all.
    I've got a best friend with a girlfriend and every time, I speak with him, I always drop some red pills for him. I tell him make sure you are careful around your girlfriend, because you never know man, when she is going to turn on you and could cause you lots of problems in life, that you don't need. I just hope, one day he listens more to what I tell him and takes it to heart, because they are living together now, and that's concerning right there, so much risk, no reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    You're looking at it all wrong, there's not a man alive that doesn't tire of women and the cringe worthy drama saturated shit they do. I see them for what they are through the prism of nature vs. unnatural counter-intuitive counter-productive laws and social abnormalities and atrocities.

    I have no need for an emotional terrorist that spends every waking moment on how to get even, how to get what they want, how to manipulate, how to spitefully use a man and drain him of all his emotional health after Olympic mental gymnastic games!

    I rejoice in my lot in life simply not being one of their victims, I've had my share of venom! I shall never be bitten again, I don't bite myself and I don't let others!
    What was your MGTOW moment for you mgtower, that changed everything for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Oh it exists just not for me. Women will always hold a place for the guys they partied with, had sex with, and hurt them. The guys that were like me who treated them like gold and gave them everything will never hold a place in their hearts. They will be looked at with hatred.

    One thing I will give credit to women for is this. No matter who the woman in my life was(mother, wife, friend,etc) , I'd get compliments from women on how I was a good man and treated them like gold.

    I use to think they were being kind by saying that but now I see they just wanted to find a way to monkey branch off me. Fuck that.
    As kids we tend to enjoy being complimented. We are still learning about life and are very unsure of ourselves. We want to feel that we are liked and that we are competent. We seek praise to reinforce our self-confidence and receiving the odd compliment is arguably necessary for building a healthy young mind, but only if praised for the right things.

    Men treating women like gold does not fall into this category. It signals that women have some intrinsic worth just for being women and we all know how far from the truth that is. It’s merely reinforcement of the notion that men should serve women in all ways.

    I was always wary of compliments, well, since my teenage years anyway. There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that giving compliments is often no more than manipulation, a form of mind control – this is the way you should act and think. Or on a personal level: I said something nice to you, so you should like me and therefore do things for me. Because of this they often only serve to annoy me.

    I have no problem with receiving the odd “well done” for completing a difficult task or a “you know, you’re right” when it indicates genuine agreement, but it totally depends on whether I respect where it’s coming from, not only the who, but the why.
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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    Quote Originally Posted by MGTOWFOREVER View Post
    Society tossed me in the trash long ago. I was raised to be nice, provide, and just bend over & smile. I woke up kinda late(mid 20s) and it hurt so much. Now I prefer being a ghost. People just used me for what they wanted and then left. People also got me into trouble and left me holding the bag. They didn't get into one bit of trouble and got a bunch of excuses for them. As women would say "Well he's not a bad looking guy". Yeah. Those same "not bad looking guys" were the ones to hurt them & still be loved & hold a place in women's hearts. I never held a place in any woman's heart. You'd think being the first born & only son I'd hold a place in my mom's heart. Nope. She chose her gina tingles over me. I was the first born grandson and my grandma hated me for no reason and had no contact with me. Her other grand kids knew where she was and had contact with her. Women never wanted me. Even my mom's pregnancy was ghost. Her friends didn't bother with her or throw her a baby shower.

    People whined about the quarantine. I felt like yelling from the roof tops "Welcome to my world, Cunts!". Everyday is quarantine to me. I can go weeks without speaking to another soul except a "Hey how ya doing?" to a store cashier. Being ghost has its benefits and saves a lot of time & money.
    I also imagine, being a ghost has improved your life for the better as well, as you live on your own terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opaque View Post
    The best tool you can have in staying safe in the current gynocentric society is to tell people what they want to hear. To agree with everything, but of course inside you feel differently.
    This is, of course, excellent advice. My only problem is I can't manage it, not totally anyway, without a heavy tone of sarcasm in my voice and this tends to exacerbate the situation.

    My compromise is to say something along the lines of "Really? I guess I'll have to give that some thought."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatoshadow2 View Post
    I've got a best friend with a girlfriend and every time, I speak with him, I always drop some red pills for him. I tell him make sure you are careful around your girlfriend, because you never know man, when she is going to turn on you and could cause you lots of problems in life, that you don't need. I just hope, one day he listens more to what I tell him and takes it to heart, because they are living together now, and that's concerning right there, so much risk, no reward.
    Be careful with this approach, you could end up turning your freind against you.

    When trying to red-pill people, which is rare, I do it by dropping horror stories that have hit the media, something that they can verify and they don't take as a personal criticism. Just something to make them think and work it out for themselves.
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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    Re: The 2020 Ghost?

    I've got a best friend with a girlfriend and every time, I speak with him, I always drop some red pills for him. I tell him make sure you are careful around your girlfriend, because you never know man, when she is going to turn on you and could cause you lots of problems in life, that you don't need. I just hope, one day he listens more to what I tell him and takes it to heart, because they are living together now, and that's concerning right there, so much risk, no reward.
    Definitely high in risk and absolutely no reward.

    In my opinion the only way he could have things somewhat in control is if he had a great amount of financial leverage over her and if he were to instill a good amount of fear in her. And this is if they're not married, in which case he would be completely fucked.

    ''It is better to be feared than loved'' Niccolo Machiavelli

    But then again someone in his situation wouldn't even be willing to contemplate an idea like this and would probably cut you off, so as Jackoff said, Be careful.


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