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    WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Yes it is true, this gal found my profile on POF that I used in order to read other profiles while I was taking a shit or just bored. She spent a lot of time texting me then talking with me before she finally convinced me to go on a date with her. She ended her one and only marriage because she had a problem with her ex husband banging other women. Yes she is post wall, however still looks decent and as far as I have been able to find out has a very low cock count. I did explain to this woman that I was not looking for a relationship and that I had gotten tired of the games women play and the bias courts. A lot of things I told her did catch her by surprise, however she agreed to not even bring up marriage, kids or living together. You might say the only thing she has asked me to do is not to bang other women including escorts so far. About a week ago she had a doctors appointment and got her birth control shot, she had insisted that I be their with her to watch her get the shot. So I listened to her talk with the doctor, watched her get the birth control shot and all that jazz. Afterwards she stated that showing me was important to her and that if it made me feel better she was still okay with using condoms.

    In a lot of ways this woman has been spoiling me, she is very affectionate and has been feeding me a lot of home cooked meals (which I always love). She has asked very little from me except to be with her. I broke down and bought her some flowers which she was very happy about and bragging to anyone that would listen. When I stated that I like to play video games she let me know that she would never interfere with that and so far has lived up to her word. Now with me any relationships in the past always start out great, it is later on when I either miss or ignore red flags. If this woman keeps doing what she is doing I'll hang around her for a bit. My major worry is getting sucked in to any games or drama that I have not seen coming yet. I know that even just seeing her is taking a risks, and so far she has been proving that she is low risk. I don't mind that she wants me to only bang her, in fact she volunteered and showed me her recent test results showing that she was clean. This dating a woman thing is not new to me, I just don't want to fall into old patterns. So if any of you have experience in this area I would be grateful for any help or tips you can give me. So far I have seen a lot of compassion and understanding from her and this has caught my eye. I just want to make sure she does not grab me by the nuts and jump out of the window. So anything I should watch out for, lines in the sand I should set, things of this nature would be helpful. Mind you first sign of trouble and I am out of their, however I want to make sure I can identify the trouble. Thanks for any help on this guys.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    If you don't mind, I'm going to give you a pessimistic response and an optimistic response, because I think you can look at this two ways.

    The pessimistic side says that this is too perfect. She is trying very hard to make it work and being very accommodating, and yet you are not trying very hard and kinda actively limiting the relationship. Why is she trying so hard? What will happen in a few months time when the hormones start to fade? Is she still going to be the perfect woman? Is she still going to be trying very hard? If you give in and commit more to this relationship, will she lose respect for you, and thus start putting less into the relationship?

    What you should be thinking about is, what would she do if she knew you were hooked?

    The optimistic side says the fact that she is trying very hard is nothing alarming nor surprising. Both of you are obviously a little older, and she is divorced. Perhaps being a little older and divorced has cured her of these games and made her willing to actually work for a relationship with someone she knows is worth it?

    All humans tend to be pessimistic when they are confronted with someone who geniunely likes/loves them. Women tend to assume that a man who is too nice is desperate, and that desperation implies he is pathetic and cannot get someone else. Maybe it isn't always like that? Really, the fact that she is trying very hard is a good thing and quite sobering compared to a lot of other women who would rather pretend to not be interested.

    Sometimes when I think about the way society judges people that are too nice, I think it is because we cannot accept other people's love for us. It is easier to scorn those who are nice than return their kindness. I'm not saying you scorn her, I'm just referring to how defensive you are regarding her.

    However, that being said, I still think it will be important to maintain frame with her. Never stop being a man.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Congratulations on getting some steady lovin' Prisoner. Blue has given some mighty fine advice on both sides, you would do well to heed it.
    Women usually do change, as a relationship matures. I know you are red enough to stay on top of it though. Nail that shit
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Thanks both of you guys. Mr.blue did touch on something that has made me nervous which is that right now in a lot of ways she does seem too perfect. So I guess that part of my fear is that once she thinks I am hooked the mask will come off. I am hoping that she is with me because she truly wants me in her life. However I am always thinking that there is some sort of an end game to it. I really don't care what the end game is just as long as I am not a part of it. So thanks Mr.blue for your insights and of course I will post back as things progress or if I have questions.

    FapMaster thank you for your vote of confidence. What I have found amusing about this woman is that she said she wanted to wait a bit before we banged. I told her I was fine with that and in no rush, however this lasted a little over a week with her. It is kind of obvious by the way she looks at me that I am her alpha male. She does know about my past and my perspective on women. To give you guys the short version, from day one I told her that I felt that women were too much of a risk without any real reward. So she understands why I will not marry nor have kids, in fact she even stated herself that she would be nervous about marriage since she claims she got the short end of the stick during the divorce (she was actually the bread winner in her marriage and damn near had to pay lifetime alimony). She did state that she wanted to live with me someday, however understood my fears and protest against that. She did tell me that she was okay with living close by and just spending the night, however hopes I would reconsider.

    I always seek input from all of you guys here, after all you all have helped me understand better who I am and what I face when dealing with women. My only regret is that I did not learn these lessons that I have been taught here when I was 15 years old. However I will be reading on here a lot to keep up on my daily red pills. Like I have said before any more insights or cautions would be welcomed. On a more humorous note this lady I am seeing has a lot of animals, about 6 dogs and 4 cats. For some reason all of these animals have really taken to me. So I told my girlfriend that I think her dogs and cats are convinced that I come over to see them and not her. One of her dogs will actually get between us being jealous of the attention I am giving her and not him. So yes my girlfriend is fighting with one of her dogs for affection from me, LMAO. Anyhow I thought you guys might get a chuckle out of that. Thanks again guys..
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    The PRISONER
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    Jokes aside; congrats m8! Just be cautious in your dealings, and don't let the hormonal high cloud your judgement.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    I might be blindly optimistic, but she sounds ok.

    Do double-check and triple-check her info on her though, you can never be too sure about things such as the cock count.

    A potential red flag could be her spoiling you: that is a sure way to get you sucked in into something, so be sure that at moment's notice to change your direction if she does anything suspicious.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    You're dating a dude, that's a tranny!

    Jokes aside, I believe in unicorns but I also know they are incredibly rare. I've seen some numbers throw around before - you might meet a decent women once every 7 to 10 years which I think is about accurate.

    To be honest I prefer women with a bad streak to the overly nice ones. At least I know what I'm dealing and I can get the hell out asap without any lingering feelings. It's also more satisfying to conquer them.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Who's Chairborne? Office worker & Army Reservist, into electronic music, drummer in a jam band, table-top RPGs, bicycling, X-country skiing, biathlon & marksmanship, TV-free for 15 years.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    I think you will be just fine.
    It is possible, especially if you are older, to manage a relationship with a MGTOW philosophy.

    Just keep the attitude that even though you enjoy time with her, your life will go on just fine if she isn't in it. You need to remember that and she needs to know that. (Go easy on the flower buying, for example. If that pisses her off, well isn't that a clue of upcoming drama you can live without?) Home-cooked meals are great, but make sure she knows you can cook just fine for yourself too.

    Pay attention to any signs that the mask is slipping and revealing her true personality. It's easy to convince yourself that red flags aren't really there if you have become attached and don't want to admit the truth to yourself. This especially true in the first year or so. Most women can't keep the mask on longer than that. Coming here often will help you from becoming complacent.

    I speak from experience. I met someone on POF 8 years ago and we are still dating today. ("Post wall, but still looks pretty decent" is a good description. I doubt if my advice will work on any other kind of woman.)

    She still treats me just as good as she ever did because I don't accept anything less. I never buy her flowers. In fact I've bought her only 2 or 3 gifts the whole time. Yes, that includes birthdays and Christmas. You don't have to be a dick about it. It's like any negotiation. If the other party knows you can, and will, walk away from the deal at any time, they treat you better.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    The pessimistic side:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prisoner View Post

    She ended her one and only marriage because she had a problem with her ex husband banging other women.
    Almost all women would claim that their Ex-husband or Ex-boyfriend was a cheater / abuser!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prisoner View Post

    In a lot of ways this woman has been spoiling me, she is very affectionate and has been feeding me a lot of home cooked meals (which I always love).
    How long have you been seeing her? It is probable that she spoils you now and would hate your gut in future. It is called BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder).

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prisoner View Post

    in fact she even stated herself that she would be nervous about marriage since she claims she got the short end of the stick during the divorce (she was actually the bread winner in her marriage and damn near had to pay lifetime alimony)
    Then she is not paying alimony and since she is not getting alimony she thinks that she got the short end of the stick, now what that tells you?

    and finally, why do you think she is interested in you? what does she get from this relationship? And try to always remember:
    They can seem so vulnerable, weak, needy, soft, loving, caring, nurturing, sensitive, and mostly selfless. Women are all of these things, but only under certain conditions. When the chips are down and things are not going the way women feel they should, women are the exact opposite of all of those things. To some degree, women are not some of those things at the best of times.

    • Andey Randead, “Prologue”, The Great Female Con.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Hm. A little test might be in order. Tell her you love her, and that you want to be with her. Do it BEFORE you actually feel it. Observe if her behaviour falls into the pattern we all find so predictable. If not, you MIGHT have found yourself a keeper. For a time at least, as the exact same thing happened to me once as well- it didn't last. Just, we don't need to tell you not to get legally entangled with her, right? Cover your bases, mang, and be ready to run.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Quote Originally Posted by 2Naive4MyOwnGood View Post
    How long have you been seeing her? It is probable that she spoils you now and would hate your gut in future. It is called BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder).
    BPD. It's really common, often undiagnosed, and always a hand grenade.

    Here's a fairly simple check -- does everyone she knows seem to fall neatly into one of two categories -- best friend or hated enemy, with little or no middle ground?

    If so, I would recommend running for the hills ASAP, no matter how good it seems now.

    If not, carry on, sir.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Quote Originally Posted by 2Naive4MyOwnGood View Post
    Then she is not paying alimony and since she is not getting alimony she thinks that she got the short end of the stick, now what that tells you?
    Nice catch. Nice.

    As for The Prisoner, man - I ain't going to piss all over his parade. Get laid. Have a home-cooked meal. Hell yeah. Just so long as you:

    * wear a franger, always.
    * do not financially support the kids.
    * do not move in

    If you do move in
    * don't

    But if you do:
    * have your mail delivered to a PO box, or some other drop where she cannot intercept it
    * do not sell your house - rent it out

    And all the rest of the advice that gets batted around here. But at the end of the day, get laid before you get too old.

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    What do you want to know? If you want to know whether or not she's a unicorn please use Spacemonkey's test. If it doesn't work the first time use it multiple times, I'm sure at some point she will show just to be like most other women (the bragging about the flowers is already pointing in this direction already). This is fine really, that's what is expected, that's simply how it works. I think the old AWALT vs. NAWALT question shouldn't matter though.

    As long as you are willing to walk away at any time and don't get attached you can enjoy the ride without worry. Homecooked meals are awesome, quite a few women my age can't cook. Enjoy that shit. Sex is awesome, again enjoy that shit. Being spoiled by a woman is awesome, enjoy that shit. Being just a bit unhappier than you would be alone because you feel tied to a woman is a nightmare. Don't forget that. To me, first time you think "hey I really don't like this thing (relationship, girlfriend) I've got going on right now" is the time to walk away. As long as you are able to walk away there's really no need to actively search for red flags, just some regular introspection on your own well being will do.

    Enjoy her Prisoner. Your posts here are awesome so I think some appreciation is well-deserved. Cheers!

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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Quote Originally Posted by Keep On View Post
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    Jokes aside; congrats m8! Just be cautious in your dealings, and don't let the hormonal high cloud your judgement.
    LMFAO!!!! That's just wrong....
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    SpaceMonkey does have a good point and a good test. I have actually already started doing that, basically I just call it making them comfortable. Pretty much I make them feel that it would be difficult to just up and walk away, when I am actually following Chairborne's advice and still able to walk away in under 30 seconds. I was suppose to go to her house yesterday, however between being in pain from physical therapy and pain medications I slept the entire day. Later on when I woke up I found a few texts on my phone. One asked when I was coming over, the next asked if I was okay. I told her that I was out of it due to the PT, pain and so forth, her reply was to ask if I needed anything and if I was feeling better. So far she does not seem to have people in two different boxes such as very loved and hated. It seems that she has a lot of different people, mostly family however some friends in many different boxes. A couple of times I have noticed that she seems a bit intimidated by my intelligence. However just so everyone here knows and breaths a sigh of relief I will never marry her or any other woman, nor have kids with her or any other woman. Anytime I go to her place I can clear out in about 15 seconds if need be. It takes that long only because of where I park my van at.

    To all of you writing jokes on here I would like to thank you. I have spit coffee all over my room at lease twice while reading the posts on here. Now I need your addresses so I know where to send the cleaning bill to, LMAO. Hoser that is a major fear for me that I will get too complacent and not see the red flags. I only bought her flowers the one time, to be honest it was more to see the reaction than anything else. I actually did good with that, since it was a half dozen pink roses with other flowers, looks really expensive, truth is I spent just under $20 on them. What I was looking for was how she was going to receive those flowers. I was curious to see if she was going to stick them in water and leave them be or if she was going to take care of them and brag. Turns out she has been bragging to anyone that will listen to her and taking care of them. It is funny that cooking was talked about on here, since she did ask me if I do know how to cook. I was vague to her about that, stating that I knew how to cook a few things however mostly just heat stuff up from a can that I buy such as chilies and soups. So she has the impression that I don't know a lot about cooking which is how I want it. Truth is that I just put a butane stove in my van and slowly building up other items for use with camping and fishing. As you can all guess I do know how to cook and if need be I can follow a recipe that I find online.

    However I will be following all of the advices you guys have given me and enjoy playing with this woman. Who knows it may last a while or it may last a month or two. The one thing I have found myself doing is reading on here and other sites more often now. I like who I have become and I don't want to change that. I am also honored that all of you think so much of me. This woman I am with may be a unicorn, however I am not going to worry about that. If she is indeed a unicorn then she will understand why I don't want to do the whole marriage thing and so forth. Now to be honest with you guys I am still on the stance of no living with her. However Mr. Wombat does have a good idea in that I can just get my mail at a P.O. box which allows me to clear out very quickly if needed. Truthfully I was going to buy myself a travel trailer to live in anyway and was thinking I could just park it near by or even on her land. Not sure if parking it on her land is a good idea and will have to check on that. However still the whole point is that I can hook up and go in a moments notice. I thank you guys for all the best wishes and look forward to any more advice or warnings you may have for me. Trust me I do read all of them and keep them in mind when dealing with her. Hopefully I can have a lot of fun with this woman and not do any of the same foolish shit I have done in the past. Thanks to you guys I have a feeling that she is one woman that will be cock blocked from trying to take me for everything in the future.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Good to hear, as rein said, enjoy!

    And Happy Thanksgiving, man.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prisoner View Post
    In a lot of ways this woman has been spoiling me, she is very affectionate and has been feeding me a lot of home cooked meals (which I always love). She has asked very little from me except to be with her.
    I'm shocked to find myself in a very similar situation at the moment so a lot of the advice here is helpful to me as well. I'm not exactly comfortable with the attention. Let us know how it goes Prisoner.
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    So how about an update?

    It's about a month since your first post.

    How ya doin?
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    Re: WTF, The Prisoner has a girlfriend??

    Quote Originally Posted by O.G. View Post
    So how about an update?

    It's about a month since your first post.

    How ya doin?
    Sorry about forgetting to update all of you, I have been distracted a bit, mostly with my workman's comp case and video games. So far everything is going pretty well, or I should say a lot better than I expected. One major thing is that she has been very respectful of my time. If I go a few days without seeing her I do not get bugged about it. Another thing is that I have gotten no demands from her as of yet. You might say the only thing she has asked from me is to not see other women (selfish I know) and I am okay with that. I really cannot complain about the way she treats me, so far she has treated me better than any other woman I have been with. Christmas day I will be introducing her to some of my friends which have invited us over for dinner. So you might say that at the rate she is going we will be together for a long time.

    I am still sticking by the rules of no marriage or kids. However she seems to agree with that and understands the reasons for that. She has gotten herself on one of those birth control things that are good for 6 months (I think it is) by an injection a doctor gives her, she did make it a point to have me witness getting that shot, however condoms will still be used. Truthfully the only thing she has expressed a desire for that I am a bit shaky about is moving in with her. That is not something I would do anytime soon, however if I decide to go that route I will follow the suggestions given here. You know things like getting a P.O. box, not having too much of my stuff at her place, etc. However I will tell you that she has only brought this up two or three times and very causal about it. Bottom line is that she just expressed that she would like this, however has never been forceful or demanding about it. I will say that she does work very hard to make me feel comfortable and safe. She does try and feed and fuck me half to death, which makes it difficult to leave her place. You know how it is, after a good meal you want a nap. Then once I wake up from the nap she wants to ride me a bit and of course after that I'm sleepy again. By doing this she has managed to keep me at her place for two or three nights at a time.

    Now remember guys I am not claiming that she is a unicorn, however she is about as close to a unicorn as I have ever seen. So hopefully this is a woman that actually does care about me, if not she is doing a damn good acting job. As all of you know I am not going to stray from my MGTOW principals. I am enjoying the time I am spending with this woman however I am ready to pull the plug anytime something looks dangerous or even slightly risky to me. I really have not spent a lot of cash on her, I got her flowers once and a couple of dinners and a movie. Most of our dates are sitting in her house watching movies then banging. I do plan on taking her on some trips in the near future to different places that we both would like to go see, one place being Tombstone, AZ. So yes we have been making some small plans to travel and we have been enjoying each other. From what she has told me she has a pretty low cock count, she was married for about 20 years only divorcing due to her husband cheating. Again not too sure how true this is and no way to really verify it. I can say that she is consistent with what she tells me and what I have over heard matches up with what she says. So to recap the demands from her or none, the requests are small, she is low maintenance in terms of attention and money and she seems to give a lot, actually trying to prove she will bring something to the table. So I have been very happy with her and she has told me that she is happy with me. Thanks O.G. for asking about this, I know all of you guys have my best interest at heart.
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