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    Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    There is plenty of women chasing alphas and it goes something like this. She chases him and gets into a physical relationship with him. They are both just having fun.

    Then after some time she is wondering if he is serious about her and starts pressuring him to move their relationship into a serious one. He was with her just for fun and brakes up with her. She goes on social media and screams "men are trash".

    We all laugh at her for even thinking they could ever be in a serious relationship.

    But what about the reverse scenario? He is a shy guy and a bit shorter than average. He has no success with women. He gets into PUA and learns how to dress to present himself as an alpha, how to be confident, how to take lead. This lands him a super hot girlfriend. They are again both just having fun.

    Then after some time he tries to move the relationship into a serious one and proposes. And maybe she brakes up with him or maybe because all her friends got married recently she accepts. Then after some time she gets bored divorces him because she was there just for fun. She was there for fun to begin with so she would never stay.

    We feel bad for the guy because he made a bad judgement.

    Yes, the guy has more to lose and his case is often times much worse. But I wonder, didn't both of them do the same thing? Didn't both of them try to enter a relationship for fun and then failed after trying to move it to a serious place?

    In traditional relationships you had to be a strong, kind, and loyal man. You had to be a good father. These are the quallityes that made someone a good husband. PUA teaches none of these so I can't see how it would help anyone in finding a good wife.

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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    Picking up a woman in a bar/club and getting her into bed is a completely different skill set to managing a live in relationship.
    Women will try to change the things she initially liked about the guy once she moves in with him.

    An old friend of mine was a natural alpha and had lot's of fun in his younger days. 2 decades later his life is a mess for this exact reason.
    Men are becoming MGTOW by the millions, most without ever having heard the term. They are simply doing what all living organisms finding themselves in a toxic environment do. They adapt to it or remove themselves from it. Females are not liking either the adaptations or the removal.

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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    On the eve of Independence Day in America, I content myself with the knowledge that one of my forefathers probably shot one of Spooky's forefathers.

    I'm out. Peace.
    - Owen, 07.03.2022
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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    Rarely do PUAs actually acknowledge the term PUA, they like going under "red pill coach" or other slang speech. They dont like the title PUA but that is what they are. They are low IQ men, or sometimes sexually neurotic men, who are obsessed with the idea of gaining access to women. They define themselves by female validation and access to women's front hole. There are no "alphas" in the PUA community, just idiots -- both the idiots creating the PUA content and the idiots absorbing the PUA content.

    Women do not rationalize relationships, its not something they entered into based on reasoning or motive. Women are purely Emo Driven, all emotion and feelings All The Time. One minute they feel one way, the next minute could be very different. Its unlikely that your theoretical idea would ever happen, where a PUA acolyte gets into an LTR with an attractive woman. That would imply that Pick Up Artistry works for shorter, uglier men -- it doesnt. Red Pill coaching and PUA tactics are fake and they dont work. Its meant to keep the viewer engaged and spending more time/clicks/or money.

    No amount of cologne, practiced verbal lines, fancy clothes or expensive car leases can get you laid consistently, if it can even happen once. The truth is, you could either get laid without all that, or you just dont have the genes that lands you tang.

    Women are attracted to certain traits - symmetrical facial, tall, athletic build, forward personality, humor, and finally Resources. The term Chad is often used for a guy who has all the physical attributes that makes access to front hole easier but he is still a scrub financially. He seem to get women with ease but neither the women or the Chad are LTR type people even if they think they are. Women hop cox, its just how they are. And Chads get so much tuna with ease, they dont see the point in settle for ONE woman because its far easier to just keep getting new ones with no strings... Often, young people lie to themselves about wanting an LTR, yet they constantly shake boots with new partners every month.

    Sooner or later you realize, the fantasy about YOU getting into a "loving LTR" is as delusional as the idea that women are loyal, loving, honorable etc... They arent. Their very nature is antithetical to that and we would literally have gone extinct if woman had behaved that way. The reality is, women are scrupulous, greedy, manipulative, skiddish and untrustworthy. If you have what they believe they need, they will use their only currency (vagina) to attempt to get what they want. Often, they will try to get what they want just by virtue of teasing, or by proxi agents (white knights, simps, orbiters etc...). They only give sex when they have to, or when its Play Time with blue eyed Chad Thundercxxk.

    The way to win, is not to play. You are not a Chad and never will be. You are not an alpha because you are not worth millions of dollars. You are a regular guy, and like most regular guys, getting ass is going to be near impossible. There are no NAWALTs, so just get used to the idea of a bossy fat girl with kids being your best bet for sex,.... otherwise, stay single and peacefully happy.
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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
    That would imply that Pick Up Artistry works for shorter, uglier men -- it doesnt. Red Pill coaching and PUA tactics are fake and they dont work. Its meant to keep the viewer engaged and spending more time/clicks/or money.
    Some of it works. But to get to that part you have to filter trough a lot of crap. And for anyone who has anything better to do in their life they won't bother. I did all that at college and ended up here because of it. So there is at least one good thing that came out of all that. Most of it is just a sales pitch. Sadly like with every popular idea these days.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
    Sooner or later you realize, the fantasy about YOU getting into a "loving LTR" is as delusional as the idea that women are loyal, loving, honorable etc... They arent. Their very nature is antithetical to that and we would literally have gone extinct if woman had behaved that way. The reality is, women are scrupulous, greedy, manipulative, skiddish and untrustworthy. If you have what they believe they need, they will use their only currency (vagina) to attempt to get what they want. Often, they will try to get what they want just by virtue of teasing, or by proxi agents (white knights, simps, orbiters etc...).
    I think you can be in a loving LTR. But maybe you will stay in love or not. That can allways change. To me this is just too much of a risk to put down half my stuff as a deposit for it.
    In traditional world it used to work since the woman would lose a lot if she stepped out. But now it is only the man that loses and the womman if often better off divorcing.
    I also see a lot of pressure put on the women. I don't think they are completely at foult for the way they act. Women weren't any different 100 years ago when it all worked. It is the society that made the rules in they favour and most of them use these rules for their benefit. It is like that meme "would you shoot this puppy for a million dolars?" and of course most would. Easy money. In this scenario I wouldn't blame the individual who would rather the one who set up that terrible rule.

    And with these rules I do agree that the LTR is a losing game to play.

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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    The problem is you can fake it for only so long. A Beta can pretend to be an Alpha long enough to get laid, maybe even land himself a girlfriend but in time his Beta traits start to show. He will also have to keep working very hard to keep his Alpha Girlfriend happy. In Australia I have noticed a lot of Tradesman land themselves hot girlfriends, not all of these Tradies are good looking types, probably not even Alpha's on a personality level. They just have well paid jobs and Tradies tend to be very Blue Pilled, they think they have scored the prize with the hot chick.

    In time the hot chick gets bored with their Tradie boyfriend, often she works some type of Corporate job, maybe just a receptionist but she is surrounded by actual Alpha's males. She looks at her Beta Tradie husband come home dirty, drinking shit beer, watching the footy etc She looks at the Alpha's at work, the expensive suits, cars etc....

    Next thing you know Tradie is getting a divorce, he has 2 or more kids that he will be paying for, his hot chick ex wife is screwing one of her wealthy colleagues.

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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    PUA tactics only work, when they are so obviously helpful, that anyone with common sense would do it ... for example: not smelling like monkey butt and actually showering twice a day if you live in the south. Or how about knowing if a beard suits you, or not wearing raggy clothes with paint stains and holes. They act like these are revelations and secrets. They arent. The rest of it, is trying to teach men how to talk. That is a fools errand. Youre either Rodney Dangerfield, or you are quiet and timid in speech. No amount of this coaching does a damn thing. You are who you are. WOMEN are the ones who should be getting coached.

    Quote: "Women weren't any different 100 years ago when it all worked." It never worked. It was different, but the grass wasnt greener. Not trying to be argumentative because youre right, women and men have the same genetics today, but the disposable male was still the status quo. So what changed? What caused the trouble between the sexes?

    Modernity. Modern home appliances (refrigeration, washing machines, microwaves etc...all made women redundant and then they were utilized for labor and made tax slaves just like men in the workforce). It took 100 years but it just got worse and worse. Colttaine did plenty of work on this. Showing how Modernity: The Pill, Abortion, Cultural Feminism, Dating Apps <- all modern medicine or technology upgrades. All of it made Biological Imperatives, the blueprint for human sexual dimorphism which has worked for millions of years in the wild, all of it became worse than useless, its actually ripping us apart.

    But the biological impulses (evolutionary psychology) cant just be turned off or rationalized away. Despite all the Modernity, men will still cast themselves gladly into the mouth of a lion, or kill another man, just to protect or gain access to a woman. It doesnt matter that women get a leg up in every legal sense now, men still sacrifice everything to safeguard women's illusionary peril. And women, despite record rates of depression and understanding that The Wall is a time bomb, they still monkey branch, they still waste all their years trying to find the apex male with the most resources despite the fact that most men they come across are completely suitable for longterm bonding. Hypergamy and White Knight chivalry, despite being completely destructive to men and women in the resource abundant modern world, remain compulsory instincts that can not be turned off.

    All these modern luxuries nullify the advantages that evolutionary psychology once provided. We used to require these instinct to survive cataclysmic natural disasters. Take for instance, women's instinct to select men with ideal features. This was natural selection that safeguarded infant mortality rate -- obviously women stopped choosing men with diseases or physical disabilities etc.. They are scrupulous and narrow, trying to choose a mate that stands the best chance of producing healthy offspring. Its not a conscious choice, they just naturally try to select the best male. Now fast forward to modern dating apps where her selection pool has now increased 10,000 fold. Will this mean that more relationships in the whole population, or less? It means LESS, alot less. This is only one example of how evolutionary psychology is at odds with modernity. You start throwing in stuff like War Bride Syndrome or women's obvious attraction to violence, and you can see why the 80/20 rule is not a theory.

    There is a clash, between Modernity and Biology. Biology is cemented into us over millions of years and cant be easily morphed, while modernity has outpaced everything in leaps and bounds. Our technology, medicine and culture has entirely removed us from our natural environment and the consequences are abounding.

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    Re: Why I think that PUA knowledge can't land you a good wife

    Quote Originally Posted by Gravel View Post
    1 ) PUA tactics only work, when they are so obviously helpful, that anyone with common sense would do it ... for example: not smelling like monkey butt and actually showering twice a day if you live in the south. Or how about knowing if a beard suits you, or not wearing raggy clothes with paint stains and holes. They act like these are revelations and secrets. They arent. The rest of it, is trying to teach men how to talk. That is a fools errand. Youre either Rodney Dangerfield, or you are quiet and timid in speech. No amount of this coaching does a damn thing. You are who you are. WOMEN are the ones who should be getting coached.

    Quote: "Women weren't any different 100 years ago when it all worked." It never worked. It was different, but the grass wasnt greener. Not trying to be argumentative because youre right, women and men have the same genetics today, but the disposable male was still the status quo. So what changed? What caused the trouble between the sexes?

    2) Modernity. Modern home appliances (refrigeration, washing machines, microwaves etc...all made women redundant and then they were utilized for labor and made tax slaves just like men in the workforce). It took 100 years but it just got worse and worse. Colttaine did plenty of work on this. Showing how Modernity: The Pill, Abortion, Cultural Feminism, Dating Apps <- all modern medicine or technology upgrades. All of it made Biological Imperatives, the blueprint for human sexual dimorphism which has worked for millions of years in the wild, all of it became worse than useless, its actually ripping us apart.

    But the biological impulses (evolutionary psychology) cant just be turned off or rationalized away. Despite all the Modernity, men will still cast themselves gladly into the mouth of a lion, or kill another man, just to protect or gain access to a woman. It doesnt matter that women get a leg up in every legal sense now, men still sacrifice everything to safeguard women's illusionary peril. And women, despite record rates of depression and understanding that The Wall is a time bomb, they still monkey branch, they still waste all their years trying to find the apex male with the most resources despite the fact that most men they come across are completely suitable for longterm bonding. Hypergamy and White Knight chivalry, despite being completely destructive to men and women in the resource abundant modern world, remain compulsory instincts that can not be turned off.

    All these modern luxuries nullify the advantages that evolutionary psychology once provided. We used to require these instinct to survive cataclysmic natural disasters. Take for instance, women's instinct to select men with ideal features. This was natural selection that safeguarded infant mortality rate -- obviously women stopped choosing men with diseases or physical disabilities etc.. They are scrupulous and narrow, trying to choose a mate that stands the best chance of producing healthy offspring. Its not a conscious choice, they just naturally try to select the best male. Now fast forward to modern dating apps where her selection pool has now increased 10,000 fold. Will this mean that more relationships in the whole population, or less? It means LESS, alot less. This is only one example of how evolutionary psychology is at odds with modernity. You start throwing in stuff like War Bride Syndrome or women's obvious attraction to violence, and you can see why the 80/20 rule is not a theory.

    There is a clash, between Modernity and Biology. Biology is cemented into us over millions of years and cant be easily morphed, while modernity has outpaced everything in leaps and bounds. Our technology, medicine and culture has entirely removed us from our natural environment and the consequences are abounding.
    1) Another factor that gets missed is Pheromones. Not every Chad is good looking, likewise not every Woman that men flock around is beautiful. There simply is just something about some people that attracts others. It's why you sometimes see mis-matched couples, one less attractive than the other. Their chemistry just mixes in some way that negates their difference in appearance. This is what tends to be the distinction between "Sexy" and "Beautiful".

    The classic PUA is the rather ordinary looking guy batting way above his league. He is good at picking up on vibes and talking. This also is something you can't just fake by putting on a suit. That's why internet dating doesn't work too well because it all comes down to your photo. In person there are many other factors that come into play.

    2) WW2 also played a huge impact. Women were used in factories and to train pilots etc You can't just put the genie back in the bottle after that. Then Feminism went nuts and initially they sold it to the average guy by making women rather "loose". Guys would have loved it but in the grand scheme of things it through everything out of balance. And now we have a situation where being with a woman is actually a detriment than anything that would assist or make life easier for a man.

    I see it all the time with elderly Aussie men with their middle aged Asian brides. The Asian woman calls the shots, she dictates to him and I just think that is a hell of a price to pay for him not wanting to learn how to use the washing machine.
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