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    When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    There is this woman who really seemed hot for me like two weeks ago. We met at the bus stop and caught the same bus.

    Anyway, I thought, "I've gotta winner, I think." So I waited like 5 days, calling on a Thursday, figuring she'd pick up or return my call. Anyway, 5 rings to voicemail and I left a message (something I don't do half the time). Just a brief one saying, "Hey, (female), it's Ace. Give me a call back."

    She never returned that call so having to replace my phone with a new one, I let a week pass by.

    So I call her tonight. She excitedly answers the phone and says "hey Ace!" (she obviously had my name programmed into her phone just to say say my name after one ring). as says she's at work but to plead call her back by 7pm. 30 minutes later.

    I was cooking dinner and watching two close playoff games for my DC area teams in the NHL and NBA. So I call at 7:40pm instead of 7pm.

    I learned long ago that it is like failing a shit test if you call a woman exactly when she orders you to as if you are some dancing monkey on command or whatever.

    Anyway, it went to voicemail and I (perhaps disappointed myself) by leaving a message.

    I normally have a TWO STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT rule when it comes down to phone calls.

    I think I am done with her until she calls me back. She's nexted till she returns a call. Two is my limit of initiating calls only to get a 1-minute chat where yet never answered it not has done so in the last two following hours.

    Call me sensitive or whatever, but I am kinda insulted enough.

    Is that too harsh?

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Sir I would say you are investing too much emotional energy into this woman.

    The phone call game she is playing is the shit test. I see at least a few red flags in your story.

    I do not know what your intentions are - ie pump and dump, or looking for the one. (hopeful)

    But at this point I suggest you let it go and move on. Your time is far too valuable to waste on those female games.

    If you were going for the pump and dump you likely missed the opportunity after the first few minutes.

    Don't mean to come off as negative and am trying to encourage you to avoid the unnecessary stress that will likely occur if you continue thinking about her.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    I am done with her until she calls me back. She's nexted till she returns a call. Two is my limit of initiating calls only to get a 1-minute chat where yet never answered it not has done so in the last two following hours.

    Call me sensitive or whatever, but I am kinda insulted enough.

    Is that too harsh?
    Ive corrected your quote for you.

    I am done with her until she calls me back. She's nexted till she returns a call. Two is my limit of initiating calls only to get a 1-minute chat where yet never answered it not has done so in the last two following hours.

    Call me sensitive or whatever, but I am kinda insulted enough.

    Is that too harsh?
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Unless you want to "fight" for her, I would suggest not pursuing her further. I have never fought for a girl and never will. I have too many options to do such a thing, and I'm just an average looking, skinny guy. I've made plenty of mistakes in the dating world, but it just never felt right to "chase" a woman to me.

    My rule is I call once. If I never heard back, I assume she's not interested and move on. If she claims she's "busy", that's just an excuse to say she's not very interested.

    Don't worry mate, there are plenty of other options for ya.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    ..it just never felt right to "chase" a woman to me.
    This all day. Chasing is all about shifting power. Don't chase you don't give her power over you.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    I don't understand why you waste your time, obviously she don't care or she shit test you but in any case don't waste your time, unless you want of course.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    She never returned that call so having to replace my phone with a new one, I let a week pass by.

    So I call her tonight. She excitedly answers the phone and says "hey Ace!" (she obviously had my name programmed into her phone just to say say my name after one ring). as says she's at work but to plead call her back by 7pm. 30 minutes later.

    So I call at 7:40pm instead of 7pm.

    I learned long ago that it is like failing a shit test if you call a woman exactly when she orders you to as if you are some dancing monkey on command or whatever.

    Anyway, it went to voicemail and I (perhaps disappointed myself) by leaving a message.

    I think I am done with her until she calls me back. She's nexted till she returns a call. Two is my limit of initiating calls .

    Call me sensitive or whatever, but I am kinda insulted enough.

    Is that too harsh?
    I have news for you. You're already a dancing monkey. You've already failed the shit tests. And then you're here asking if "being insulted enough is too harsh"?

    Dude.... Please get your balls out of her purse and re-attach them. I don't mean to be a dick but she's playing with you and you're playing along. Ya got screened twice. Twice! Move along, the land is about as dry as the desert for you.

    You get a number, you send her a text saying hi. If she calls, great. If not, get another if you want to continue playing the game.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by CJones View Post
    Unless you want to "fight" for her, I would suggest not pursuing her further.
    Ehh. The only thing I'd fight for is a Spyker C8. That's about it. And even that is super iffy.Women are not worth fighting for or over because you're ascribing more value to them than you do to your own well being, dignity or pride.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefbrownmonkey View Post
    I have news for you. You're already a dancing monkey. You've already failed the shit tests. And then you're here asking if "being insulted enough is too harsh"?

    Dude.... Please get your balls out of her purse and re-attach them. I don't mean to be a dick but she's playing with you and you're playing along. Ya got screened twice. Twice! Move along, the land is about as dry as the desert for you.

    You get a number, you send her a text saying hi. If she calls, great. If not, get another if you want to continue playing the game.
    Thanks for being blunt. Dude, I used to be you in that I was swimming in pussy and had to give the 2x4s in a respectful way to other guys like saying things such as "stop being such a beta orbiter" or whatever. Not that I would've gone that far.

    But, after taking a few months to lick my wounds from recycling or being recycled...I forgot RULE NUMBER ONE: If she isn't acting as interested in me than vice versa--than forget about it!
    Quote Originally Posted by zero-sum View Post
    This all day. Chasing is all about shifting power. Don't chase you don't give her power over you.
    Quote Originally Posted by AxFa
    My rule is I call once. If I never heard back, I assume she's not interested and move on. If she claims she's "busy", that's just an excuse to say she's not very interested.

    Don't worry mate, there are plenty of other options for ya.
    Quote Originally Posted by AxFa View Post
    I don't understand why you waste your time, obviously she don't care or she shit test you but in any case don't waste your time, unless you want of course.
    You are all life savers. I had been playing it safe only taking on women I was in former relationships or fuckfriends with for a while.

    Thanks for the quick replies. It pulled my head out of my ass. So I am gonna delete her number from my phone (just DID that).

    Thanks for saving me from torturing myself (not that I was gonna call her again but I would've waited like a week before deleting it causing slight needless stress times). Anyway, time to say NEXT and spin more plates if I wanna date.
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    This does not sound like mgtow behaviour, I'm sorry.
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Isaiah4:1 View Post
    This does not sound like mgtow behaviour, I'm sorry.
    MGTOW, I thought was about forsaking the Disney dream of so-called love and cohabitating and/or getting married.

    Sorry if dating and getting a little disappointed in some chick letting me down does not MEET your ahem "HIGH standards," ha ha.
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    I'm moving this thread to Game
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    MGTOW is about men watching out for themselves. Some do that by ghosting. Others assume the risk of dating, but maintain a hyper-awareness of female nature.
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    Call me sensitive or whatever, but I am kinda insulted enough.
    I don't know about this thing called 'game' but going from just basic old-fashioned decency and courtesy you were fine to leave a message both times. It would have been proper for her to have offered to call you back instead of having you call her that third time. If I had been you, I hope I would have been quick-thinking enough to suggest that she call me, but I do not always think that fast. If/since she failed to acknowledge in even the briefest of fashion that it was you who had called her twice already, that is a misstep on her part to have you call her yet again and you are correct to notice it. This misstep may be borne of a lack of courtesy or social training or could also be a signal she is not interested in you so she didn't want to commit herself to calling you back. At this point, don't wait by the phone and don't call her again. If she is disinterested in you, she's certainly acting like it. You are in receipt of her style of hints.

    Have you thought about what will happen if she does not call you back but you see her again at the bus stop? If that happens, may I suggest you offer a friendly hello, nothing curt so that she detects that you have pulled back, but also nothing eager that lowers your dignity by letting her think you don't "get it" that she's not interested. In fact, act like the phone calls never occurred. If she is playing the tease and makes mention of not calling you back, don't take the bait. I'd cheerfully deflect and say something unrelated in response, like you do to acquaintances when you don't quite know what the person just said but are too polite to inquire for explanation. And if you both are boarding the same bus, let her board first, seeing where she sits, and you sit someplace else.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefbrownmonkey View Post
    You get a number, you send her a text saying hi. If she calls, great. If not, get another if you want to continue playing the game.
    OP, I know I'm coming to the party a little late but I just wanted to reiterate what this guy said.

    For future women, forget the phone calls. Just send a quick text whenever you think about it after your initial meeting with her. It doesn't matter when. It could be later that same day or the next day.

    Usually when I exchange numbers with a woman, we text each other to confirm we have the correct number. Like if she's giving me her number I'll say, "Hold on let me put it in my phone and send you a quick text to make sure I got it."
    Or if I'm giving her my number I'll say, "Now send me a quick text so I know I have your number."

    People usually leave their text message conversations open and don't delete them, so as the girl walks off and goes about her day, whenever she flips open her phone again - 9 times out of 10 she will see my name from the text I sent earlier regarding the phone number.
    So about 99% of the time I get a text from her the same day because she's reminded of it from the earlier text.

    Even though you're done with this chick, I'd say next time just shoot her a text later that day / next day, or call her sometime soon.

    I never understood these certain time limit rules, like waiting 3 days to call or 5 days or whatever. It's crazy, imho. Just call or text when you feel like it.

    If she's the kind of chick to not be interested in a guy because he didn't call or text at the predetermined time or day rule then f!ck her. You dodged a bullet.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    So I call her tonight. She excitedly answers the phone and says "hey Ace!" (she obviously had my name programmed into her phone just to say say my name after one ring). as says she's at work but to plead call her back by 7pm. 30 minutes later.

    I was cooking dinner and watching two close playoff games for my DC area teams in the NHL and NBA. So I call at 7:40pm instead of 7pm.
    I think you might be reading too much into this. She asked you to call back BY 7.p.m - she was probably busy after 7.p.m., which is why she wasn't available when you called at 7.40.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    Thanks for being blunt. Dude, I used to be you in that I was swimming in pussy and had to give the 2x4s in a respectful way to other guys like saying things such as "stop being such a beta orbiter" or whatever. Not that I would've gone that far.

    But, after taking a few months to lick my wounds from recycling or being recycled...
    Always happy to be there for a fellow man trying to be free of the treadmill. The only thing I'm swimming in is billable hours. My three - five year plan is to have my house bought and paid for in full. So my emphasis is on the billable hours.

    I'm not saying this to try and sound better than you in some way. I'm just saying that I don't much care for the games of courtship. I have a girlfriend and sometimes wonder if even that is absolutely worth it. And she's pretty damn good, cooks for me, keeps the place clean, eats low carbs like I do and even helps me keep track of all the corporate expenses for tax purposes.

    You need to learn to focus on what matters. For me, my parents are getting old and it is my duty as the eldest son in an Indian family to take care of them. And it isn't so much for my mother given my childhood and how she went about things but more about my dad who had to work his ass off to take care of the family. It's all about priorities, man and mine changed after I found the red pill.

    And just to note, my intention wasn't to condescend or patronize in my posts. I was just trying to speak to you as I would my friends.

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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Francis View Post
    There is this woman who really seemed hot for me like two weeks ago. We met at the bus stop and caught the same bus.

    Anyway, I thought, "I've gotta winner, I think." So I waited like 5 days, calling on a Thursday, figuring she'd pick up or return my call. Anyway, 5 rings to voicemail and I left a message (something I don't do half the time). Just a brief one saying, "Hey, (female), it's Ace. Give me a call back."

    She never returned that call so having to replace my phone with a new one, I let a week pass by.

    So I call her tonight. She excitedly answers the phone and says "hey Ace!" (she obviously had my name programmed into her phone just to say say my name after one ring). as says she's at work but to plead call her back by 7pm. 30 minutes later.

    I was cooking dinner and watching two close playoff games for my DC area teams in the NHL and NBA. So I call at 7:40pm instead of 7pm.

    I learned long ago that it is like failing a shit test if you call a woman exactly when she orders you to as if you are some dancing monkey on command or whatever.

    Anyway, it went to voicemail and I (perhaps disappointed myself) by leaving a message.

    I normally have a TWO STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT rule when it comes down to phone calls.

    I think I am done with her until she calls me back. She's nexted till she returns a call. Two is my limit of initiating calls only to get a 1-minute chat where yet never answered it not has done so in the last two following hours.

    Call me sensitive or whatever, but I am kinda insulted enough.

    Is that too harsh?
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefbrownmonkey View Post
    Ehh. The only thing I'd fight for is a Spyker C8. That's about it. And even that is super iffy.Women are not worth fighting for or over because you're ascribing more value to them than you do to your own well being, dignity or pride.
    And once you've won the fight for a woman, then what? The first man who's "better" who crosses her path and it's: "So long and thanks for all the fish." I wasted toooooooooooo much time on that nonsense.
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    Re: When a new girl says "call me back" but does not answer the phone

    IMHO, if you want this for yourself, you have to get other people involved to put social pressure on her. you have to show yourself in good standing with others.


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