Thread: Are foreign women better than US women for marriage?

it is not so much the woman , as the culture . If you marry any woman and take her to a western country where BGD will take her side and story regardless of any evidence, that is a bad place to be married.
I an in the philippines . There is no alimony, child support or a strong , man hating government to derail a relationship .

Is there a reason why MGTOW are interested in discussing marriageable women?

This foreign woman trip is really annoying.

Originally Posted by Isaiah4:1

Is there a reason why MGTOW are interested in discussing marriageable women?

This foreign woman trip is really annoying.

For me avoiding women for marriage from all backgrounds is the best choice. But some men are MGOW because of the oppressive nature of most western women not just because they want to stay independent. For them foreign women for marriage may be lesser evil than their local choices. But any path is not with out pitfalls. It is all about deciding what is best for you.

Originally Posted by czar

For me avoiding women for marriage from all backgrounds is the best choice. But some men are MGOW because of the oppressive nature of most western women not just because they want to stay independent. For them foreign women for marriage may be lesser evil than their local choices. But any path is not with out pitfalls. It is all about deciding what is best for you.

I have a hard time believing you are going your own way when you have a responsibility to your wife regardless of laws. All women are the same. If that were not true you could take a foreign unicorn, drop her in Western society, inundate her with Western culture and feminist conditioning and it would have zero effect. I don't believe in unicorns, I believe in female game and mating strategies. You're still a utility for cupcake. Utilities can't go their own way.

Originally Posted by Billy

it is not so much the woman , as the culture . If you marry any woman and take her to a western country where BGD will take her side and story regardless of any evidence, that is a bad place to be married.
I an in the philippines . There is no alimony, child support or a strong , man hating government to derail a relationship .

In other words, you have taken a time-machine back to the 1960s, possibly the 1950s.

Originally Posted by sam luis obispo

In other words, you have taken a time-machine back to the 1960s, possibly the 1950s.

Billy actually started a thread about that: Game / I am living in the 1950's

Speaking of Game - I'm moving this thread to that section. It seems to fit better. Maybe we could put a sub-forum in there, "Foreign Ops."

The truth is harsh, sometimes it is easier not to believe it.

Originally Posted by Quarter Wave Vertical

I finished reading it yesterday and found it rather interesting.

One thing that was emphasized was: "Nothing is quite like it seems." Another way of putting it is: "If it's too good to be true, it probably isn't." It made me wonder, when women flirted with me in the past, how genuine their interest really was and what they hoped to gain from it.

A corollary of your, if it is too good to be true it probably is, is my advice to men going to Thailand for the first time and asking how to spot the Katoeys, lady boys. My advice is that the surgeons have gotten so experienced and talented that there is no physical markers (from any reasonable distance) that would clue you in. The result is you must use social markers. The advice then is; if she is super model gorgeous, tall, and talking with you, then she is a Katoey.

Originally Posted by Mikediver

A corollary of your, if it is too good to be true it probably is, is my advice to men going to Thailand for the first time and asking how to spot the Katoeys, lady boys. My advice is that the surgeons have gotten so experienced and talented that there is no physical markers (from any reasonable distance) that would clue you in. The result is you must use social markers. The advice then is; if she is super model gorgeous, tall, and talking with you, then she is a Katoey.

Obviously. No good-looking woman would be caught dead talking with me. I don't have enough money.

Originally Posted by Mikediver

A corollary of your, if it is too good to be true it probably is, is my advice to men going to Thailand for the first time and asking how to spot the Katoeys, lady boys. My advice is that the surgeons have gotten so experienced and talented that there is no physical markers (from any reasonable distance) that would clue you in. The result is you must use social markers. The advice then is; if she is super model gorgeous, tall, and talking with you, then she is a Katoey.

Be careful out there ...

Originally Posted by Isaiah4:1

You're still a utility for cupcake. Utilities can't go their own way.

I agree. When I compare my life when I was with the EX compared to my life NOW....The difference is like night and day. Good and evil. Satan and God. Oil and water. Rich and poor. My whole lifestyle has changed. I am no longer a utility and can do and go where I want when I want.

Since I live outside of the states it's easy to find a girlfriend but I have learned that for me, I keep them for two to three months only. Then I break-up and take a lot of time off from having a girlfriend. When I am with one, I am careful because I can FEEL the difference in my life, time, and money.

And as you said...one cannot go their own way (100%) if they are a utility.

I look at women the same as any other hobby you have and spend money on , and compare it the hours of enjoyment received for the money you spent. I just bought a husqvarna terra in Manila for $6000 and drove it to Cebu . Had my gf with me and we drove in 39 degree heat , rain, dark and long hours. Awake most days at 4 am . Never a word of complaint, not even when we hit an angled bridge approach and went airborne nor when we had water running out our shoes. The cost of having her was minimal , just food and drinks. And $16 extra dollars for the ferry but that is offset by her doing all the legwork paying the fare for the moto. It is nice to have an interpreter if there is a problem.
As I have said before, i live my life the way i want , if a woman wants to join the adventure , cool, but it it my adventure. I watch many guys, even here , turn into the biggest pussys when they deal with woman . I find it sickening myself. I was that way in my twenties but no more.

Originally Posted by sam luis obispo

20%? My goodness, those are 1970s divorce rates!

Note that one chamber of a revolver being loaded is 17% and so is still better odds.

I can only speak for my own experience, being married to a Filipina for almost 13 years and minimal relationships with American women.
Most of what has already been said here is true. Their priority is 1. family back home 2. looks 3. money/status/materialism 4. other Filipinos they aren't related to and 10. their husband. Mine doesn't even really enjoy being a parent and doesn't interact with our daughter except to yell at her and at times the discipline borders on abuse.

I would add to the discussion: Expect that she can't drive a car. Most places women do not drive nor do they have the expectation of driving. You will need to teach her. Even if she had a professional position back home, it will be difficult to transition that here. Life starts over. The school doesn't transfer well, the experience can't be verified. Expect her to send money home. There will be constant demands from the family. After a while, they don't even love the OFW's (Overseas Filipino Worker) anymore, they're just an ATM like us. Expect to spend a lot of money on trips back home. Expect that it will take years for her to adjust to American culture. When she does it gets easier for a while, then she'll get Americanized. She'll be focused on her appearance, keeping up with the Joneses, and knows she can destroy you in court. Mine threatens to leave about every 3-4 months, and in that emotional state, she means it.

The internet has made it much easier to locate and court them but it has also made the Green Card chasers much worse. Everyone knows an OFW and sees glamorous photos on Fakebook. There is no such thing as a simple girl from the province anymore. This is a place where the official statistic is that "remittances" are about 17% of GDP. I don't think it is better if you live there. Then you couldn't get away from the in-laws. They'd probably be in your kitchen every time food is being served because there is a whole lot of people with not a lot to do there and they love freeloading off a foreigner or OFW. I'd never buy property there because as an American I have no legal right to it. None at all. Also, the Philippines has not ratified the Hague Convention so if she disappears with your children the local government will do nothing and the American government can't do anything. It is so crowded, your child could be a block away and you'd never know. The locals could even joke in their own language about it and you'd never know. (The charm is mostly fake, because they know you have money).

I know literally hundreds of Fil-Am couples here in town. Most seem to have better odds of success than American couples. (If success is defined as longevity, I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors). Some seem genuinely happy. Sometimes it does not work out. I think for most MGTOW's this won't be the answer. You still have to answer to a wife. She's still going to demand much of your time, energy, and resources. You can have short-term girlfriends over there but the problems are 1. you have to be over there and 2. the break ups can be really messy.

Originally Posted by BeeInKc

I can only speak for my own experience, being married to a Filipina for almost 13 years and minimal relationships with American women.
Most of what has already been said here is true. Their priority is 1. family back home 2. looks 3. money/status/materialism 4. other Filipinos they aren't related to and 10. their husband. Mine doesn't even really enjoy being a parent and doesn't interact with our daughter except to yell at her and at times the discipline borders on abuse.

I would add to the discussion: Expect that she can't drive a car. Most places women do not drive nor do they have the expectation of driving. You will need to teach her. Even if she had a professional position back home, it will be difficult to transition that here. Life starts over. The school doesn't transfer well, the experience can't be verified. Expect her to send money home. There will be constant demands from the family. After a while, they don't even love the OFW's (Overseas Filipino Worker) anymore, they're just an ATM like us. Expect to spend a lot of money on trips back home. Expect that it will take years for her to adjust to American culture. When she does it gets easier for a while, then she'll get Americanized. She'll be focused on her appearance, keeping up with the Joneses, and knows she can destroy you in court. Mine threatens to leave about every 3-4 months, and in that emotional state, she means it.

The internet has made it much easier to locate and court them but it has also made the Green Card chasers much worse. Everyone knows an OFW and sees glamorous photos on Fakebook. There is no such thing as a simple girl from the province anymore. This is a place where the official statistic is that "remittances" are about 17% of GDP. I don't think it is better if you live there. Then you couldn't get away from the in-laws. They'd probably be in your kitchen every time food is being served because there is a whole lot of people with not a lot to do there and they love freeloading off a foreigner or OFW. I'd never buy property there because as an American I have no legal right to it. None at all. Also, the Philippines has not ratified the Hague Convention so if she disappears with your children the local government will do nothing and the American government can't do anything. It is so crowded, your child could be a block away and you'd never know. The locals could even joke in their own language about it and you'd never know. (The charm is mostly fake, because they know you have money).

I know literally hundreds of Fil-Am couples here in town. Most seem to have better odds of success than American couples. (If success is defined as longevity, I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors). Some seem genuinely happy. Sometimes it does not work out. I think for most MGTOW's this won't be the answer. You still have to answer to a wife. She's still going to demand much of your time, energy, and resources. You can have short-term girlfriends over there but the problems are 1. you have to be over there and 2. the break ups can be really messy.

Thanks BeeInKc for the honest and open response. Infact your experience matches a friend of mine who imported a woman from Russia and he is a Russian himself. The constant "threatening to leave if you don't follow my wishes" seem to be a common theme here. The sponsorshop you sign when you import them makes you support them at least for 10 years even with out kids.

An unexpected source of friction has been pets. Pets are a significant part of the American family. This is kind of unique in the world. We aren't the ONLY nation to keep dogs, but most people don't keep them in their homes and think of them as part of the family. In the Philippines, dogs run wild and have a life expectancy of about 3 years. Some people eat them. (you would too if you were hungry enough). Pets have been a constant source of friction for us, and my experience is not an isolated occurrence.

No, foreign women are not any different from American women. If they appear to be its just that their hiding it. I have heard countless stories throughout my life on the internet and from good buddies that they too are just as toxic. You also have to factor in that they often speak a different language, so you might not be able to catch their funny business.

Women are women anywhere you go in the world. There is no country in the entire world that holds the “holy grail” of women.

Originally Posted by Shiki

No, foreign women are not any different from American women. If they appear to be its just that their hiding it. I have heard countless stories throughout my life on the internet and from good buddies that they too are just as toxic. You also have to factor in that they often speak a different language, so you might not be able to catch their funny business.

Women are women anywhere you go in the world. There is no country in the entire world that holds the “holy grail” of women.

Often, they can cover up their shenanigans by relying on the foreign origins and claim that their actions were because they didn't understand the culture. I had foreign students who used that as an excuse when they pulled stunts on me like openly cheating and that sort of thing.

In Peru they have a word brichera.
It comes from the word "bridge"

there's a few different types of bricheras. There's even male bricherOs.
some seek out men from North America and Europe and get involved with them in order to "cross the bridge" into the mans' country.
some just do it for citazenship then take all the guys stuff and cash.

others just meet gringos on vacation and become their part time girl friend while he's there.
he spends money on her, dinner, gifts ect, and she spreads her legs.

these girls are pretty fucking slick and know what they're doing.
tough to out smart them. easy to find, little hard to avoid.

I'd use online dating sites when I was in Peru and hit up girls there.
I'd only ask them out for coffee, or to do something for cheap or free, like walking by the ocean, ice cream...
if she insisted that we go out to lunch or dinner, then I knew she just wanted me to spend cash on her.
if she agreed to just coffee then she usually turned out normal. Though a lot of them made me feel like some kind of trophy.

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I've had thoughts about going to Philipines and finding some girl half my age and bring her back in my suitcase
But I figure it'd be like having a puppy.
it'll be cute for awhile, full of energy, going tricks and whatnot.
then a few years and it'll be a lazy boring dog drooling everywhere.

I think the difference is what they are allowed to do. Women adapt to social changes very fast. The only difference between an american and a non western women is that the non western is not allowed to do what the western one can.