Thread: I need to take a break....

I need to take a break from the internet a while. I just keep getting more and more depressed the more I learn and angry, so goddamned angry. I am starting to see all women as pure evil no matter if it is intentional or not. Getting headaches, cant trust my female coworker who has kept trying to hit on me even though she knows I am gay. I guess she does not believe me because I am not some campy queen. HR just moved us to different wings of the building but the bitch has legs and keycards just like me. They don't sell BitchBeGone in the pest control aisle.

Women are not dumb, they know exactly what they are doing when it comes to evil shit. When it comes to men they are completely fucking stupid yet they claim to know men, what we feel and think and why we do what we do better than we do but when it comes to their issues the first thing out of their mouths is "You don't know what it's like to be a woman so how can you ABCDEFG?" It makes my head hurt. They have burned the bridge between the sexes and now they are so desperate they hit on fags now? LOLOLOL. I do think the quotes are a bit out there but as I've said before, women are brazen enough to say shit like that, and then some. You straights would be surprised at the shit that comes out of their mouths (or goes in) when they think hetero men are not listening. Now they say shit out in the open. One girl in line during a circus event had her 2 children and a couple commented on how cute they were. This bitch just flat out said that they were income tax babies! I wanted to taze that bitch right in her blue waffle. Those kids are human beings not sacks of cash. You have to be evil to do and say the calculated shit they do to others and men can be guilty of this kind of evil too, it's just that women get away with it most of the time or even get support in ruining lives. Those kids will have a poverty stricken life and grow up with no morals or guidance other than what this beast has to teach them. Not fair at all. Why is the world this way? How did the men and women of the past let this happen and men and women present continue to tolerate this?

I have already cut back on twitter, I hate facebook more than Westboro Baptist Church hates me and I have to just cut back awhile. I am starting to let my heart fill with hatred and that is not good. Everything I see now is full of female bullshit. every movie or tv show I find myself picking out misandry and double standards, when I see a guy and his wife/girlfriend walking and the look on his face is not happy I get angry and deeply sad. I'm turning into an emotional fag-basket and I do not like it. The only think I like is that i have a lot more sympathy and empathy towards other men and it has made me gayer lol. I love men even more now that I know what they put up with and how society treats them even though they are what holds everything together. I hate to have to stay away, this is the only place where I can have positive constructive and beneficial communication with other men since I lived with my grandpa. I believe women do want to crush the male spirit in all its forms. That is why this shit irritates me so much because there is no reason for them to be so hateful and jealous of maleness and masculinity.

I need to go hermit mode for a while and recharge. I'll check back every so often in case you guys have any suggestions on how to overcome this funk I'm in.

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Originally Posted by Izzy

I need to take a break from the internet a while. I just keep getting more and more depressed the more I learn and angry, so goddamned angry. I am starting to see all women as pure evil no matter if it is intentional or not. Getting headaches, cant trust my female coworker who has kept trying to hit on me even though she knows I am gay. I guess she does not believe me because I am not some campy queen. HR just moved us to different wings of the building but the bitch has legs and keycards just like me. They don't sell BitchBeGone in the pest control aisle.

Women are not dumb, they know exactly what they are doing when it comes to evil shit. When it comes to men they are completely fucking stupid yet they claim to know men, what we feel and think and why we do what we do better than we do but when it comes to their issues the first thing out of their mouths is "You don't know what it's like to be a woman so how can you ABCDEFG?" It makes my head hurt. They have burned the bridge between the sexes and now they are so desperate they hit on fags now? LOLOLOL. I do think the quotes are a bit out there but as I've said before, women are brazen enough to say shit like that, and then some. You straights would be surprised at the shit that comes out of their mouths (or goes in) when they think hetero men are not listening. Now they say shit out in the open. One girl in line during a circus event had her 2 children and a couple commented on how cute they were. This bitch just flat out said that they were income tax babies! I wanted to taze that bitch right in her blue waffle. Those kids are human beings not sacks of cash. You have to be evil to do and say the calculated shit they do to others and men can be guilty of this kind of evil too, it's just that women get away with it most of the time or even get support in ruining lives. Those kids will have a poverty stricken life and grow up with no morals or guidance other than what this beast has to teach them. Not fair at all. Why is the world this way? How did the men and women of the past let this happen and men and women present continue to tolerate this?

I have already cut back on twitter, I hate facebook more than Westboro Baptist Church hates me and I have to just cut back awhile. I am starting to let my heart fill with hatred and that is not good. Everything I see now is full of female bullshit. every movie or tv show I find myself picking out misandry and double standards, when I see a guy and his wife/girlfriend walking and the look on his face is not happy I get angry and deeply sad. I'm turning into an emotional fag-basket and I do not like it. The only think I like is that i have a lot more sympathy and empathy towards other men and it has made me gayer lol. I love men even more now that I know what they put up with and how society treats them even though they are what holds everything together. I hate to have to stay away, this is the only place where I can have positive constructive and beneficial communication with other men since I lived with my grandpa. I believe women do want to crush the male spirit in all its forms. That is why this shit irritates me so much because there is no reason for them to be so hateful and jealous of maleness and masculinity.

I need to go hermit mode for a while and recharge. I'll check back every so often in case you guys have any suggestions on how to overcome this funk I'm in.

Mods: If this post belongs elsewhere please feel free to move it or delete it.

I felt the exact same way for the first few month i found mgtow. I would see and the bullshit and double standards online and in real life and i would get pissed all the time. i even hated women for a while and talked in a snarky passive-aggressive way to every woman.

I am kinda desinsatized now and don't really care as much. i set myself a few rules to live by and it made it easier. stuff like not caring when i cant change the situation, i promised myself to always feel more empathy to men and never give it to women, and just never pay or generally pander to women.
and i had the same thing watching movies. you just have to turn your brain off watching them. dont get sucked in.

I know how you're feeling Izzy. I tend to go back and forth between extreme optimism and extreme cynicism and right now all the red pill stuff is sapping my energy. I know that it shouldn't define my identity, but it's impossible to avoid thinking about when it's shoved in my face day in day out. Not the forum, the forum is a good thing, I mean all the media bullshit, all the fucking insane people like you're talking about.

I see so many men every day who just look completely burnt out, meanwhile women are bouncing off the walls with energy and enthusiasm. It's not a matter of confirmation bias - I see this everywhere I go. Men who look like they're coasting, just getting by, women who look like they couldn't be happier. I'm really trying to relax and not focus so much on this stuff, but I don't know how to do it. I'm trying to mainly focus on consciously enjoying my hobbies and such, so I can get some momentum. I guess it's just a practice thing.

It sounds shitty to say, but I think we need to remember that these men and women are not our problem. At the end of the day all I can do is try to set an example when I'm in a situation with manipulative women. I'm not gonna go around preaching MGTOW like a religion. When men I know are getting manipulated, all I can do is bring it up and allow them to make their own choices. It doesn't make any sense to get on their case repeatedly if nothing I say is going to get through.

Originally Posted by Izzy

I need to go hermit mode for a while and recharge. I'll check back every so often in case you guys have any suggestions on how to overcome this funk I'm in

Well, I sometimes think of taking a break too. But not because I get mad anymore. I am way past that. Not because I am better than other people or anything. But because I found the manosphere and got great advice over a decade ago on how to get over the disappointment I felt from getting hosed by someone who used to worship me. She took me right from the pedestal into the ditch. Anyway, the next woman who did that to me, having been there before, I already knew it was coming. So I just had an indifferent reaction within myself and just thought, "Next." Just man-whored my way past it with new women at that time. Definitely spinning plates and politely declining relationship offers from some of those women.

Now I know with your orientation, the above is not super relatable in ways. Enough about me already! By the way, that Westboro Church reference you made cracked me up. Good one!

Anyway, whether straight or gay, at some point a guy realizes that how women or society are presented to us all is based on LIES . So naturally the pendulum swings from having womenkind on some pedestal to whatever extent, to getting angry about, to reaching a healthy medium. The western media lies about a lot more than just women. It's the same thing whether it be politics or how an adult is allegedly supposed to behave in a so-called correct way.

As for the women thing, it's like being mad at a predator in the forest or the jungle for eating it's prey. It's just what they do. On the other hand though, to see their entitlement and arrogance is certainly annoying at times. Now as for the whole female worship thing/men be dumb/women be brilliant bunch of horseshit that many lemmings just bite into, hook line and sinker...I don't get mad or depressed about it myself. I just think, "better them than me! Have fun, SUCKERS!"

With women knowing that you're gay, it never hurts us straight men to get more inside info. As for women in general, as was said on a former forum I quit, "women, never believe what they say. Instead, watch what they actually do!"

The endgame for is not to be mad but to be indifferent and amused. But if someone else is, they are no less than anyone else. Because while saying, "get over it," can be good for lots of things in life, sometimes it is really just a way to shame and scare someone into being some blind conformist. Perish the thought of committing a thought crime!

You're a valuable member of this community. So I do look forward to your return.

Sometimes seeing the hidden truth is not such a joyous occasion. I remember that part of your direct experience of joining this forum was due to a somewhat or totally emotionally and physically abusive mother. Some of us guys, from getting a good class of Getting Stabbed In The Back By A Lover 101. Part of healing is venting and seeing that one is not alone. Also, not playing the game of saying what you're allegedly supposed to say is quite liberating. I am surprised at some of the compliments I have gotten on forums and in the real world when it came to how I chose to stand up to people without being a drama queen about it. People literally telling me, "I'm glad that someone finally said that." And I'm not referring specifically to women. I'm just talking about all sorts of social situations.

Anyway, if your gut is telling you to take break, well, listen to your intuition and take a rest. To use a phrase of your brethren, Dan Savage (who gives GREAT dating advice to straight men and women in his syndicated column), "it gets better."

Originally Posted by Nasir Jones

I felt the exact same way for the first few month i found mgtow. I would see and the bullshit and double standards online and in real life and i would get pissed all the time. i even hated women for a while and talked in a snarky passive-aggressive way to every woman.

I am kinda desinsatized now and don't really care as much. i set myself a few rules to live by and it made it easier. stuff like not caring when i cant change the situation, i promised myself to always feel more empathy to men and never give it to women, and just never pay or generally pander to women.
and i had the same thing watching movies. you just have to turn your brain off watching them. dont get sucked in.

Izzy I think that Nasir really hit the nail on the head with this statement. I can say that a lot of actions I see women doing is very disturbing and upsetting to me. Just today I was reading the relationship section on city-data and of course seeing the typical threads that men posted about being upset about their girlfriend or wife's past. Now of course every woman and most men post "the past is the past", "the past doesn't matter" and my favorite "You just insecure/jealous". However a page or two over I see a poll that reads "would you dump a guy if you found out he visited a prostitute in the past", 84% of the women claimed they would dump a guy if they found out he had been with an escort. Wait a minute, what happened to "the past doesn't matter" or "the past is none of your business"?

I am sure Izzy that just you and I alone can come up with a thousand different bullshit double standards and other injustices that the law inflicts on me to protect women. Now we can complain and cause ourselves to feel depressed about this information or we can use that information to protect ourselves. Hell in one sense you have a "one up" on me since your gay and I'm a pussy hound. However myself I set down clear rules for myself to follow when dealing with women and I try to avoid being alone with most women. When I read about the different bat-shit crazy women pull and the laws back, I make up a new rule for myself to protect myself from this. When I don't like an action that a woman does or a law states I ask myself "can I change this" and the answer is usually "no". So the next thing I ask myself is "can I avoid or stay clear of this", answer normally is "yes". You see since divorce laws are very pro-woman and anti-man I ask the question "can I avoid or stay clear of this", and of course I can, just don't fucking marry. So right off hand with just a little information I've used I have not just protected myself, I have also passively starved a system designed to enslave me.

I can understand how reading about feminism and so forth can get a person down after some time. It is important to take breaks, read a book, go fishing, watch a movie, etc. just do something to give your mind a break. Trust me, I take breaks myself just not for long periods of time. I take breaks when I find myself getting angry about what I am reading. Most things I read I can keep anger out of it, mainly because I don't take it personally. However other things I read can really get my blood boiling such as cheating wife demanding her husband just get over it and that he needs to trust her and the other guy while they are away on a business trip. Another thread I read on a different forum was a guy being called "insecure and jealous" when he found out that his wife had done a threesome with the best man and maid of honor previously before they got together. I mean if I expect my wife or girlfriend to even tolerate an ex-girlfriend I would be called a pig, however men are suppose to be okay with the wife hanging out with her ex's all the time. Even with examples like this I still have to stop and think things through. Will I ever be in a situation like this or similar, well no of course not. Reason is because one, I won't get married again and two even if I have a girlfriend and she pulls this I trust myself enough to have the backbone to walk away. Not discuss it, whine or anything else, just say "oh, okay" and walk away. This is where the old saying "if life gives you lemons then make lemonade" comes into play. Knowledge is power, however you must be willing to utilize that knowledge. So take a break and check back in with us, we will have a seat waiting for your return.

Hang tough Izzy. I'm feeling the same way. Create something for yourself with this right arousel.

you just have to turn your brain off watching them. dont get sucked in.
I will have to do this Nas, I cant afford to keep throwing unopened beer cans at my tv. It just gets annoying.

Not the forum, the forum is a good thing, I mean all the media bullshit, all the fucking insane people..
Yeah Nuggets, this forum has been a doorway to reality also has done a great job at helping me own my masculinity and relate to other men, something I mistakenly thought was not possible due to being taught and told otherwise. I was a bit nervous introducing myself but I am glad I did. I grew up thinking women and feminists were sympathetic to gays. We are just actors on their stage just like straight men. Its refreshing to relate with men who even though they love women, and yes you guys do love them or you would not care that they have become so horrible to deal with, and are not so mesmerized by pootie-tang that you just eat the shit sandwiches they make.


With women knowing that you're gay, it never hurts us straight men to get more inside info. As for women in general, as was said on a former forum I quit, "women, never believe what they say. Instead, watch what they actually do!"
Yeah Ace. I have no problem exposing manipulation and that kind of thing and it is kind of my duty to do so. The stuff that I have heard tears men's live apart. I would not be able to look at myself in the mirror if I didn't say something. I am glad to help ruin the plans and schemes of sociopaths. I have lost "friends" for letting a person know that he was being cheated on and talked shit about when he was not around. He did not heed the warning and that is his problem not mine, I did my part and I will always do that when I see something or hear something that needs calling out. I don't know why this is so devastating to me, knowing what women really think and how they really are. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am a spectator and I see women injecting their dogs with rabies and saying men are the ones who have rabid dogs I am going to record that shit and expose them. Women have the golden ticket so to speak, they get to be with men and it is natural and beautiful and all that but they choose to wipe their asses with the ticket and that makes me angry at times. I'll get over it. Part of me is drawn here because the thought of women being told to fuck off for their bad behavior gives me a justice erection, it restores my faith in humanity, in men. Will they learn? Prolly not. Will I care? Hopefully I will reach that place where I don't.

This is where the old saying "if life gives you lemons then make lemonade" comes into play. Knowledge is power, however you must be willing to utilize that knowledge.

Prisoner, I agree. I have learned a lot here, and I may not use it in a sexual context but women have a way of trying to use and abuse men in every aspect of life. Now I just don't go for that shit. I refuse to pander and cowtow and I am not as affected by shaming, hopefully I will be immune to it altogether one day. A coworker who is sleeping with a married man is trying to convince everyone that he is the only one in the wrong and I disagreed. She is not speaking to me anymore (good riddance) and now I eat my lunch in peace which I like my solitude anyways. That whole real army housewives of love and basketball meets bridezilla shit is embarassing and annoying. Real life is not like that and most women and gay men today think that that is what makes life interesting. At any rate, I am going to go do my own thing and try not to read or watch anything about feminism and women. I'm waiting for Fallout4, work is going to start slowing down now that winter is coming. I am going to start by watching Gotham on netflix and maybe hang out with grandpa more even though he is starting to forget who I am.

I'll check in from time to time. Hopefully I can get over this quickly and be able to not throw cans of beer and shout at my screen, This forum has been good for me. I guess a part of the red pill detox/cleanse is going through withdrawal and having a rough time. I never thought there would be a place and time where I feel good about being a man but this is the kind of place guys need to start down that path. Catch you guys later. Take care of yourselves brothers.

Good luck man. We'll leave the lights on for you to find your way back.

Solitude can be very productive and peaceful.

Enjoy your time offline.

I'd like your point of view on some things:
1) As a gay man, how do you view other gay men who act like effeminate "fabulous" tinderellas?
2) Do you think most gays have a problem with women in the sense that they voluntarily play their emotional tampon/"gay man accessoirie"?
3) What is your experience with masculine straight men? Do they befriend you or avoid you or are they indifferent towards you?

I think the right advice has already been given here. I would like to add that this is also very normal. Probably 90% of the members here went through such a phase, or still need to go through it. I didn't really become angry, I withdrew. I found it depressing that women weren't the pristine, beautiful and caring angels I once thought they were. However, it is just a fact you were wrong about for a long time, and then there comes a time that it will feel normal to see the truth. You just forget how you once saw women. There's a great saying: time heals all wounds.

So take a break, relax and please come back with new-found spirit.

Wallabe here. I'm doing what you are trying to do now. I just happened to glance quickly at this forum, I haven't posted anything in a while. Hopefully this post helps.

I mainly concentrate on working on myself. I concentrate my energy on the things that I can change. I exercise daily, strength training and cardio. I learn and research a number of topics, cooking cuisines from around the world, increase my passive cashflow (I make money in my sleep, getting paid every month without being active or involved in it at all), improve exercise so I burn more fat with less exercise while maintaining the fat burning effect (Afterburner effect; exercising multiple groups of muscles, then top it off with cardio, all in one exercise-session/day). That's just to name a few.

Being mad at females is like being mad an an aggressive animal, that's just how they are. You can wish and try to change it, but at the end of the day, that's just how they are, it's in their DNA. Don't waste your time on things you can't change. You will be disappointed when your expectations aren't met.

On a daily basis, I see that lots of men are beta. They are putting women on the pedestal. Once you just don't care and go MGTOW, you can clearly see guys doing their beta thing. Most of the time now, I see it coming before they even open up their mouth. Their gesture, their eyes, their body signals, tells me they are desperate. This is across all ages (and race). I'm not bashing on us men here, it's just once you go red pill and you've seen enough and you're just stoic about it, you can see it coming a mile away. We've all been raised one way or another to follow that script. Don't accept enslavement.

I currently fit in a size medium T-Shirt, going to small. I still have a lot of fats to burn off. But at the same time, I love delicious food. I need to eliminate sugar, fats, carb, and control my diet even better.

I exercise at home. I don't care to show off myself at all. I used to go to a gym, but the weather sucks during the winter, and during summer, it's nicer outside than in a stuffy, stinky gym.

Work on yourself and leave everything else behind in the dust. You've got plenty of things to do. For me, I improve my mental, physical, and financial health daily. It's not just what I learn that's important, but I need to apply it on a daily basis. The same way my physical well-being improves by consistently exercising, I also need to exercise my mental and my financial well-being.

Think of women's behavior as a display at the zoo, fun to watch but when it's time to go, get to stepping.
Also take some time to do something you really like to do, or something you really want to do but have never tried.

I just finished a 2 week hardware and software integration at my house, home automation. I'm no coder, but as I got into it I couldn't wait to get home and try some new idea I had at work. Finally got it all humming. The accomplishment feels good, didn't worry about bitches at all while doing it either.

Find your equilibrium and come on back. Your insight is invaluable as a gay man. Women don't really consider you fair game (except for the crazy office twat), and as such you see them at their worst. You could teach us all a thing or two. Peace Brother, find it and live it.

A portion of that anger stems from learning the truth of how the gear wheels are really turned in this world as the curtain is pulled back. But the other anger comes from the feeling of helplessness in what you are observing and are not able to change. And the final portion of that anger is not knowing how to fix all these problems since you have the power to do so.

#1: You will move on from the anger with knowing how the world really works.
#2. Once you take a break and shift your focus on improving yourself and looking for your own happiness that will be much better. You can't save everyone in the world and you can't help everyone learn #1 unless they are ready too.
#3: Accept how the world is and find the pursuit of your happiness.

It is often said going your own way is a survival mechanism, but it is really more so a personal journey of self discovery, joy, and self re-affirming resolve.

Think of it as a a cheat sheet for being able to maneuver in life and avoid the pitfalls that others can not see. It is immense power being able to accept how things are at face value instead of how you wished things to be.

Originally Posted by Aintdealingwithyoshit

Enjoy your time offline.

I'd like your point of view on some things:
1) As a gay man, how do you view other gay men who act like effeminate "fabulous" tinderellas?
2) Do you think most gays have a problem with women in the sense that they voluntarily play their emotional tampon/"gay man accessoirie"?
3) What is your experience with masculine straight men? Do they befriend you or avoid you or are they indifferent towards you?

1) I have to admit it does irritate me. I had a brave streak in my 20's and I hit the dating scene, and it was way too much of a circus for me. It turns out that there were no gay men there, just gay men who think they are/act like women. I don't think they are gross or anything, I think they put on a show to let other guys know they are available to men, but this is strange to me because I am not attracted to femininity in the least and neither are they. I get pissed only when they talk shit about "straight acting" gay men, saying we are sexist and hate women because we don't act like women. Also that we are sexist if we refuse to date feminine men. Why date a guy who acts like women when you are attracted to men? The same flame queens that say shit like this would be on their knees in a second if a straight guy showed any interest in them and they would turn their noses up at other feminine gays. Hypocrites. Truth is, they have been conned out of their masculinity and sense of self by the feminists and they hate themselves for it. Women have penis envy and the militant flamebois have masculine envy. There are some effeminate gay men in my area and most are not that out there. But then there is this:

The leave brittney alone guy is an example. He's handsome and I am sure most if not all gay guys would rather date him as he is normally than that thing he morphs into for some unknown reason. Maybe its some sick form of male mother need for female approval and to have women cheer them on or maybe they are just fucked in the head. The first picture, I don't even know if it is possible to bond with aliens. Mostly I have to keep my distance because these kinds of gays act just like women only dialed up to over 9000 to overcompensate or they hate on masculine gays because we prefer other masculine gays and not them. I refuse to be a glitter glitter sparkle sparkle for dick just as I would refuse to be Captain save a ho J simp-son for pussy if I was straight. The thing is, those women that "support" guys that do this in both cases are laughing at them and talking behind their backs.

2) I think most gay men are afraid of being social outcasts and women are the social key holders in society. It stems from growing up hiding who you are attracted to while wanting to belong like all the other kids. You live that way for years and women pretend to give a shit and they get sucked in to women's world. I had my gramps to instill masculinity in me and he never once shamed me for being gay. Women did it all the time, little comments here and there like "How do I look in this, do you want to try it on?" They have this idea that loving men means you are default feminine or womanly, somehow connected to them. Women have co-opted the gay community under the banner of feminism and now gay men base their identities on flawed feminist thinking that male sexuality and masculinity is toxic. I am old enough to remember GLBT and somehow the lesbians put their letter in front even though dykes have NEVER faced the amount of shit gay men through history have. I think gays suck up to women because they feel they owe them something or since they both like penis they are on the same page. How wrong. Women see us as emotional tampons as you said, at best, and potential competition at the worst. They have insecurity issues if they think the latter, If a gay man can steal your man, he wasn't that straight to begin with, bisexual at best. I personally do not feel like I owe feminism shit. The men of stonewall did more for gay rights than some purple haired man-bear-pig feminist ever could have. Women love to take credit for shit without putting in the effort. I think things are changing though, more and more gay men are getting fed up with women's shit too and feminism is gearing up to start in on gay men: http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ant-a-divorce/

3) A little bit of all three actually, depending on the individual man I guess. Straight guys for the most part don't care. When they do care it's to avoid being suspected of being gay by women and that's fine. There are some here where I live that talk about all gays needing to be killed but I think they mean the guys like in the pics above mostly. I can't understand how my bedroom affects any other man unless he is in it with me though and I don't think I should be murdered because of it lol. They have to protect their SMV though and if a woman starts spreading rumors it can end his chances and I get that so I have no problem if they avoid gays. Most don't care though, I recently had a conversation with a workmate and he asked if I had a wife and kids, I replied that it was legal now for me to get married but I choose to stay single. He didn't get it at first but it clicked after a second or two. He said he was kind of surprised because we have worked together for 3 years and without skipping a beat he started talking about his family and then our usual talk about everyday stuff. In the absence of women, men don't really care. I have become comfortable enough that I don't sweat it much anymore. I can't change it and with the way women are I don't think I want to anymore. I just visit the celibacy forum for gays and keep to myself and I have straight male friends that either don't care or they are okay with it. I have to say though that I do have this weird thing where I get anxiety around straight guys because I still don't feel like I fit in, even though I don't fit the stereotypical gay profile, I still worry about how other men see me. I'm working on that thanks to places like this forum. I am learning to live for myself, not that caring what others think is a totally bad thing but there has to be a balance.

Man, I have to say, I will have a hard time not checking this thread due to the great advice. I could always just avoid all the other threads I guess. Shit, at this rate though I'll never be able to take that break so stop posting replies! lol
just kidding, reply if you like and I will respond, It actually helps to talk about this shit with sane people. Thanks guys.

Thanks for your reply, it's interesting to hear your perspective.
about 1) this kind of mirrors what I've heard from other gay people so far, ironically some of them were more on the "sensitive side", though far from being flamboyant or over the top.
2) Glad to hear you didn't fall for that trap. I pretty much share these observations, except I haven't heard women talk shit about flamboyant gays behind their backs so far, but that may be just the case when I'm there and they talk more openly about this with their grrrlfraans.
3) The SMV correlation could be a good explanation. Where I'm from gay is still sometimes used as an insult and "gayness" is somehow connected with a diminished masculinity. Guess you have the femgays to thank for that.

Izzy,

Although I'm not a big fan of self-help gurus, there was one guy that had few good ideas. The late Steven Covey wrote a book a few years back called 7 Habits of Highly Successful People. In it was a model that might help you.

He talked about a "Circle of Concern" and a "Circle of Influence." Imagine the circle of influence is inside the circle of concern.

The circle of concern is much like the forums we gather on. Things outside of our direct control; Carping on here*, shouting at the TV, worrying about events beyond our immediate surroundings live in that circle. They often consume our lives and emotions, even money if we are foolish enough to give money to "Save the Cleft Palette Farm Animals in Foreign Lands™, etc. Shootings on the other side of the country, children suspended from school for excessive flatus while carving guns out of pop tarts, etc.

The circle of influence is our families, workplace, the people we meet. Covey says that people who spend too much time in the circle of concern are wasting their efforts. Spend more time and effort in the circle of influence and you will be more successful. I would also add that you define success for yourself, not your family, workplace, etc. In a way, living well is your best influence on others.

Executive Summary: Can't save the world until you save yourself first.

Therefore, it's time to sign off for now. I am about to influence the vacuum cleaner and maybe kill a few more trees to sacrifice in the wood stove altar.


*Carping is good medicine and helps lurkers find their way in the dark in a direction away from the plantation.

Originally Posted by toolate

Izzy,

Although I'm not a big fan of self-help gurus, there was one guy that had few good ideas. The late Steven Covey wrote a book a few years back called 7 Habits of Highly Successful People. In it was a model that might help you.

I have that book, I need to pick up where I left off. I sort of got it and put it down and never went back to it.

I totally get where you are coming from Izzy. I remember when I first went Red Pill I was so discouraged with relationships and life in general that I did need to get away from online communities that were discussing red pill topics, feminism, female behavior... I am not surprised even gay men are not immune from the psychosis of some women in particular. I imagine feminists don't care much for gay men because two gay men in a pair-bond relationship are two less men worshiping (and paying for) the sacred vag. In any case, take a hiatus from the online MGTOW community/ies for a while if you need to, and when you get back we'll be here. This stuff we're dealing with is (a) the truth and (b) it's toxic. But I'd rather face the toxic truth than a piece of shit lie covered in powdered sugar...

Red Pill for me is taking ownership of shit I pretty much already knew to be true. I just needed a few other men to affirm my suspicions. No, I am not crazy.

But "they" most certainly are...

Originally Posted by Izzy

I have that book, I need to pick up where I left off. I sort of got it and put it down and never went back to it.

You know, I have lots of books but I rarely read them. I love listening though, the same way I listen and watch youtube videos. I'm sure you've heard of audiobooks.

There is a way to get it for free if you like.

http://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-...5336535&sr=8-1

There's the link to it, it's free if you do the Audible trial. You can purchase the MP3 CD too if you want to keep it offline. The price is very low, so it's quite affordable. I have the MP3 of it. I find the audiobook (MP3) much more enjoyable. I can listen to the whole book in just 2-3 hours, whatever the length of the book is.

That link has some other books that's worth looking, like Dale Carnegie's How to win friends and influence people. I've bought the physical book, but I always end up listening to the audiobooks. When I buy a book now, it feels like it's a novel. I'd try to read the first chapter and never pick up the book again, but that's not so when I'm listening to it.

My favorite book to listen again and again is Sun Tzu's Art of War. Each time I listen, I just mentally think how it can apply to other parts of my life. Exercise, relationship to employees and family, financial security, the ways I handle myself, and so on. I learn that how you handle and work with others is a reflection of how you handle yourself. At the end of the day, it all starts in your head, your mindset.