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    Prenup?

    Ok, I think we all know here that marriage is 99% of the time going to end with your life in ruins. But there is hope, there is that 1% where it all works out like a fairy tale. So, lets say your brain chemistry forces you to fall in love of what you perceive to be a Unicorn. And you think maybe, just maybe this will work out and you aren't sure if you can live with yourself if you didn't at least try the best chance you ever got for a happy married life.

    Enter the Prenup! As a direct result of the no fault divorce laws Prenups came onto the seen in the 1980's as the "Great Equilizer". Now I have heard conflicting things about prenups. I have heard that most judges will throw them out after 5 years saying thats enough time to have more significance then a contract. But then there are countless rich men who are still rich even after many marriages thanks soley to prenups, look up Elon Musk's love life as a perfect example. He has like 10 kids 3 divorces and is still the riches man on the planet. So obviously Prenups can and do work as intended sometimes.

    So my question. What do you guys think about Prenups? Any personal stories? Can they provide "aduacate" protection from unfair divorces?

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    I assume you're new to the manosphere & divorce.
    Prenups are useless unless they're written on soft-double ply toilet paper.

    If you're rich with millions in the bank, it may serve a purpose, rest of the peasants get to toil the fields.

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    Prenups are like seatbelts in a car doomed to eat wood @ 120 mph!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohda View Post
    What do you guys think about Prenups? Any personal stories? Can they provide "aduacate" protection from unfair divorces?
    There's a previous thread on this: Have you used a prenup? (goingyourownway.com)

    To sum up, Pre-nups are as good as toilet paper. However there's a gem in there by Mikediver - "a longstanding family trust that held all his assets. He inherited a great deal from his father in the trust and it was set up well prior to the father's death, by the father, to avoid inheritance taxes. His father had made it iron clad that no woman my friend married could get a dime out of it. "

    He is correct - It used to be that very well setup family trusts would be able to protect one's assets, even from marriage. I'm not so sure if this still holds though, you might want to check out Trusts as a form of safeguarding your assets.

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    Heard of a rich arms dealer named Botach who used one for his marriage in Los Angeles. Clever arms dealer built a Maginot Line between his Jewish American Princess divorcee bride and his bank account . . .
    Missing license forces bride into palimony suit

    Makeup artist to the stars Judith Boteach thought she had found true love when it took four people to carry all of the flowers and jewelry lavished on her the day multimillionaire Yoav Botach proposed marriage.

    Boteach said she learned a month after their Orthodox Jewish wedding ceremony that her groom hadn’t obtained a California marriage license, but she believed in their future together.

    “I loved him,” said Boteach. “I trusted him and he kept telling me (the wedding license) wasn’t necessary.”

    But their relationship ended unhappily, with Boteach kicked out of the couple’s Beverlywood home in her nightgown. And she is now embroiled in a court battle for half of Botach’s fortune – millions of dollars she claims he promised her should the couple ever split . . . " https://www.dailynews.com/2006/02/13...palimony-suit/

    There are different stories but the upshot is this guy avoided getting a marriage license and got the rabbi to go along with it at the wedding. Plus he got a backup prenup just in case. These moves saved this guy a ton of headaches (and $$$) when he threw her out of his house . . . apparently physically . . . LOL JAP Nagatha houseguest gone! No divorce required!
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    I don't know, after a quick deepdive it looks like Prenups are rock solid if done right by a good lawyer. But the issue is each state has completely different prenup rules and what can and cannot be protected by a prenup. But from what I have seen if you do a proper prenup it appears it is almost impossible to get 50/50 split of all assets as if there were none. But some states will protect alimony, child support, child time, debts, retirements, properties, previous and future income. And some states just don't. It looks like a mess, but I have yet to see any evidence of anyone ever having a proper prenup who got screwed as if they didn't have one at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohda View Post
    .. it looks like Prenups are rock solid if done right by a good lawyer. .. from what I have seen if you do a proper prenup it appears it is almost impossible to get 50/50 split of all assets as if there were none.


    Here's one (How Hasselhoff had his bride-to-be 'sign pre-nup at altar' | Daily Mail Online) - Ex-Baywatch star David Hasselhoff got Pamela Bach to sign a prenup 30 minutes before their wedding ceremony in 1989. When they divorced in 2006, some 16 years later, the prenup was thrown out.

    Excerpts: .. The actress claims Hasselhoff first mentioned a pre-nup less than a month before their December 9 wedding date in 1989. .. Bach did as her fiance asked and met with a lawyer twice.. [My comment: this proves she knew he wanted to protect his assets]
    .. It was the lawyer .. who advised the actress to hire her own legal team, .. [My comment: the lawyer advised her to get her own legal team]
    .. Bach did not sign any documents until half an hour before she became Mrs. Hasselhoff [My comment: He probably wouldn't have married her if she refused to meet with lawyers and sign the documents. She likely delayed signing as long as she could right up until 30 minutes before the wedding. He didn't know it at that time in 1989, however years later courts will shift the goalposts and use last-minute signings are proof that the woman was pressured]

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    It used to be that a prenup was valid so long as it was signed before the wedding. Unfortunately, thanks to many women pleading ignorance and pressure to sign under duress, the goal-posts have shifted. The standard back then in 1989 has changed significantly.
    Understand that what used to be a rock-solid document can (and likely will) change over time.

    In current day, lawyers advise that prenups be signed well in advance of a wedding - the longer in advance, the better proof that this was well-considered by both parties. Lawyers will even video-tape the signing, to prove that she signed it in the presence of her legal team (the woman has to have adequate legal advice and representation) and that there was no pressure from the other party (no threats, no duress, no coercion).

    Now many women will defer signing a prenup right up until the last minute (or as close to the wedding as possible) because they can then say they were pressured into signing it. Then in court it boils down to what she-said. No other evidence needed, just her words.

    Understand that there may be nothing wrong with the prenup legally. However it may be that the goal-posts can and probably will shift again with time.

    What used to require solid evidence of pressure has become purely she-said: "He threatened to call-off the wedding, so I felt pressure to sign!"; There you have it your honor, she was clearly coerced!

    What used to be adequate time for consideration (sign 10 days before the wedding), becomes 1 month before the wedding, becomes 3 months before the wedding, etc.

    We've seen other examples of how the legal system has changed.

    The definition of sexual assault has morphed to such a degree that even a touch of an elbow or staring for more than 10 seconds can now be construed as sexual assault.


    When a man and a woman decide to roll in the hay and she refuses half-way, what used to be proof of the woman's change of heart previously needed evidence of verbal or physical resistance. This has changed to affirmative consent, where the woman has to be recorded affirmatively saying 'yes' at every step of the way, otherwise she could claim that she refused half-way - the proof is now entirely she-said, and the man is always working on the defense.

    These are just a few of the many examples of how the legal system has changed the goal-posts over the years. I don't know how the legal goal-posts will shift in another 10 years with respect to prenups, do you? Maybe it will stay the same or maybe it will get worse for men and more advantageous for women. It doesn't concern me as a MGTOW.

    Perhaps the better question would be why are you so interested?
    Are you really a MGTOW? Or do you harbor hopes for finding a supposed unicorn and for marriage? From your original and above post, it certainly sounds like you're thinking deeply about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post


    These are just a few of the many examples of how the legal system has changed the goal-posts over the years. I don't know how the legal goal-posts will shift in another 10 years with respect to prenups, do you? Maybe it will stay the same or maybe it will get worse for men and more advantageous for women. It doesn't concern me as a MGTOW.

    Perhaps the better question would be why are you so interested?
    Are you really a MGTOW? Or do you harbor hopes for finding a supposed unicorn and for marriage? From your original and above post, it certainly sounds like you're thinking deeply about it.
    This is my point though, to find a recent instance of a prenup failing you have to go back decades old outlier that comes down to he forced her to sign it at the alter. This is my point when I say if done by a good lawyer, any good lawyer will tell you to do 3 months out for prenup just to be sure the judge has zero ammo to throw at you. I have always thought prenups could be defeated in court and most often were. But now I realize that was propaganda by feminist to discourage them, because from what I see, you can count the guys one one hand that got screwed over by the courts with a rock solid prenup in the last decade.

    And you ask, am I MGTOW, or a cheap imitation. I claim neither, I am an Omega male. And I haven't pursued or been with any girl in over 4 years now out of disgust for who they are and how they behave. But I just recently learned of what it means to be redpilled and MGTOW, I have lived it for years but never had the proper vocabulary to catagorize and organize it in my mind before. Funny thing is I have been black pilled since 1995, my best friend was a Chad and I quickly learned of why girls chose him over me forever. But yes, I did find a unicorn, and no, I would never ask her for a prenup, first of all she is a unicorn and its not needed, and second of all she has more money then I do, and I have a lot.

    My main reasons for bringing up prenups is two reasons, first of all if I fail to capture my unicorn as all others have before me. Then I will probably exercise "Plan B" and seek a girl from another country and hope that the modern western feminist attitude is just that, western only. And second of all, because I see almost everyone here from what I see also fell for the feminist trap of tricking you into thinking that prenups will not protect you. If you find a girl who you love and she loves you and you no longer feel so strongly about MGTOW, I just think guys should know there is such a thing as a prenup that can make it so at least she doesn't take your wealth if it ends badly, which we all know is statiscally the most likely ending. And besides, just telling a girl you will never marry without a prenup I think is a pretty good litmus test of her character, if she is a gold digger or using you as a beta bucks she will show that to you before you even finish saying prenu...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohda View Post
    ... any good lawyer will tell you to do 3 months out for prenup just to be sure the judge has zero ammo to throw at you. ...
    The point is back in the 1980s, those same lawyers were telling clients that to have a rock-solid prenup, all it required was for her to sign it before walking down the altar. There was no need for signing ceremony and picture taking with her and her team of lawyers. The prevailing view was that so long as she put her signature to it, she agreed to it. The view then was that so long as the woman is an adult, she could make adult decisions.

    When divorces shot up in the following years, the judges didn't hold to the principle of treating women like adults. Judges would often look for evidence that the woman was ignorant and/or pressured into signing. They often claimed the women were young and naive, despite being legally an adult, they bought into sob stories of how the women didn't know what the document was for, even though there was evidence the women had been sat down with lawyers, often several rounds, to go over the full minutia in the prenup. They bought into sob stories of how the women were rushed into signing it, despite the fact that the women had been sat down by lawyers weeks before.

    There was no need for evidence, merely her word of mouth, and it didn't matter that the soon-to-be-divorced husband contested her version of the story, and said that she knew full-well what she was signing and that she agreed to sign it of her own free will. The judges do not care for the he-said.

    Judges often went only with what she-said. When they could find nothing wrong with the prenup itself, they simply moved the goal-posts so they could have an excuse to overturn the prenup.

    That practise of moving the goal-posts continues till today, at first it was that a woman 19 years old is young, therefore is naive (and not fully an adult) and didn't know what she was signing; then it became 25 years for being considered naive. And prenup signings, now being video-recorded, so that it can be used to contest the woman's version of events years later at the divorce. And the recommended duration of signing continues to lengthen, because judges will buy into women's claims that one month before the wedding, she was busy with wedding preparations and was rushed into the prenup, and therefore she did not have adequate time to consider what she was signing, and thus the prenup should be thrown out.

    Goal-posts moved, prenups thrown out. The following year, goal-posts moved again, prenups thrown out again. It is entirely arbitrary and a farce. But never-you-mind, please go on believing that the prenup is rock-solid - the legal system needs to make money and lawyers will continue to provide assurances to clients so that they can charge billable hours.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boohda View Post
    And you ask, am I MGTOW, or a cheap imitation. I claim neither ... yes, I did find a unicorn, .. if I fail to capture my unicorn .. Then I will probably .. seek a girl from another country ... If you find a girl who you love and she loves you and you no longer feel so strongly about MGTOW ...
    Are you aware that this forum is for MGTOWs only, not those who are half-in and half-out? That there are membership requirements and one is only allowed in if one is fully MGTOW, and not those who are half-entertaining the idea? There's a place for those MGTOW-until-I-get-my-unicorn-then-I'm-married, and it is in the non-members forum.

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    I think this Botach dude with his fake wedding and backup prenup would qualify as an honorary MGTOW - when the fit hit the shan, he threw Nagatha out of his house and avoided divorce court through his keen understanding of AWALT! A dude who did CYA and won at a very small price to himself!

    Quote Originally Posted by johnsmith79 View Post
    The point is back in the 1980s, those same lawyers were telling clients that to have a rock-solid prenup, all it required was for her to sign it before walking down the altar. There was no need for signing ceremony and picture taking with her and her team of lawyers. The prevailing view was that so long as she put her signature to it, she agreed to it. The view then was that so long as the woman is an adult, she could make adult decisions.

    When divorces shot up in the following years, the judges didn't hold to the principle of treating women like adults. Judges would often look for evidence that the woman was ignorant and/or pressured into signing. They often claimed the women were young and naive, despite being legally an adult, they bought into sob stories of how the women didn't know what the document was for, even though there was evidence the women had been sat down with lawyers, often several rounds, to go over the full minutia in the prenup. They bought into sob stories of how the women were rushed into signing it, despite the fact that the women had been sat down by lawyers weeks before.

    There was no need for evidence, merely her word of mouth, and it didn't matter that the soon-to-be-divorced husband contested her version of the story, and said that she knew full-well what she was signing and that she agreed to sign it of her own free will. The judges do not care for the he-said.

    Judges often went only with what she-said. When they could find nothing wrong with the prenup itself, they simply moved the goal-posts so they could have an excuse to overturn the prenup.

    That practise of moving the goal-posts continues till today, at first it was that a woman 19 years old is young, therefore is naive (and not fully an adult) and didn't know what she was signing; then it became 25 years for being considered naive. And prenup signings, now being video-recorded, so that it can be used to contest the woman's version of events years later at the divorce. And the recommended duration of signing continues to lengthen, because judges will buy into women's claims that one month before the wedding, she was busy with wedding preparations and was rushed into the prenup, and therefore she did not have adequate time to consider what she was signing, and thus the prenup should be thrown out.

    Goal-posts moved, prenups thrown out. The following year, goal-posts moved again, prenups thrown out again. It is entirely arbitrary and a farce. But never-you-mind, please go on believing that the prenup is rock-solid - the legal system needs to make money and lawyers will continue to provide assurances to clients so that they can charge billable hours.




    Are you aware that this forum is for MGTOWs only, not those who are half-in and half-out? That there are membership requirements and one is only allowed in if one is fully MGTOW, and not those who are half-entertaining the idea? There's a place for those MGTOW-until-I-get-my-unicorn-then-I'm-married, and it is in the non-members forum.

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    Wow, you pussy little faggots banned me for just saying that Prenups arn't worthless. Go ahead and say I am not MGTOW because I am not a pussy little beta faggot like you guys who run these forums. Maybe I will just use temp emails and spam your weak ass little admins here to show you how stupid you are in thinking you can stop my voice. Or maybe I will just leave you to wallow in your own filth and delusion where you don't even know what a prenup is. Just don't say I am a beta SIMP to my face like you pussies are, actually, if you do see me please try too, I would love to see how many syllabols you can utter before I knock you out. I have 23 confirmed kills in Iraq, pretty please talk shit to my face, I beg you, pretty please with a cherry on top. Because you know, your so hard core MGTOW while I am just a beta bitch, even though I am the one who has been living it for years. LOL, see ya faggots, get fucked.




    [Admin Note: You yourself informed us you were not MGTOW. As membership is for MGTOW only, you were banned. Simple as that. Based on the reaction you have presented here, hostility was just under the surface, and that is not a quality to bring as a member anyway.

    Let go of us, Boohda. I am sure there are other forums that will appreciate you.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boohda gyow is trash View Post
    [Admin Note: You yourself informed us you were not MGTOW. As membership is for MGTOW only, you were banned. Simple as that. Based on the reaction you have presented here, hostility was just under the surface, and that is not a quality to bring as a member anyway.

    Let go of us, Boohda. I am sure there are other forums that will appreciate you.]
    Word of advice from a man who has never lost a battle against anyone. Don't go to war with people you can't control, and your banning me for simply saying prenups are not worthless is a declaration of war buddy. And as I said in my post, I have only been living the MGTOW lifestyle for 4 years now, but I don't label myself, so call me what you want puss puss. But if you ban me then you must ban every faggot here who has been MGTOW for less then 4 years also, thats about 80% of your entire population. So, let me introduce myself. I have been working in the IT field for 15 years now, I was an ethical hacker and you can't control me. And there is no addon you can plug into your forums that can stop me. And I am a full blown psychopath, I wouldn't assume I will get bored and move on anytime soon, you will find my focus to be laser sharp cutting through your flesh. So lets play puss puss, and if you do a good job, then maybe I will fire up the Kali and show you a few things about internet security

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethical hacker reporting for duty View Post
    .. your banning me for simply saying prenups are not worthless is a declaration of war buddy. And as I said in my post, I have only been living the MGTOW lifestyle for 4 years now, but I don't label myself, so call me what you want puss puss.

    MGTOW deliberately avoid and abstain from relationships with women. You, on the other hand, seek to enter into a relationship with a woman. Does that sound like MGTOW to you? You even stated that you aren't MGTOW, and this forum is for MGTOWs only.

    Look, I hope you marry your unicorn, and that everything turn out well for you. But if you, like many others, find out one day that your unicorn has turned into a monster, and you do realise that we were right to avoid marriage all along, we'll be here for you then.

    In the meantime, there's a non-members forum where one can discuss things from a non-MGTOW perspective and engage in exchanges with MGTOWs. You'll be asked to adhere to a standard of conduct which is conducive for debate and discussion. That's not an unreasonable ask is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethical hacker reporting for duty View Post
    Word of advice from a man who has never lost a battle against anyone. Don't go to war with people you can't control, and your banning me for simply saying prenups are not worthless is a declaration of war buddy. And as I said in my post, I have only been living the MGTOW lifestyle for 4 years now, but I don't label myself, so call me what you want puss puss. But if you ban me then you must ban every faggot here who has been MGTOW for less then 4 years also, thats about 80% of your entire population. So, let me introduce myself. I have been working in the IT field for 15 years now, I was an ethical hacker and you can't control me. And there is no addon you can plug into your forums that can stop me. And I am a full blown psychopath, I wouldn't assume I will get bored and move on anytime soon, you will find my focus to be laser sharp cutting through your flesh. So lets play puss puss, and if you do a good job, then maybe I will fire up the Kali and show you a few things about internet security
    I hate to feed into this, but I can't help myself

    "Word of advice from a man who has never lost a battle against anyone. Don't go to war with people you can't control, and your banning me for simply saying prenups are not worthless is a declaration of war buddy." There's an old saying I'm sure a wise man as yourself has heard, "Sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war." You and your friend Boohda lost both the battle(your first allegedly) and the war, as you've both been banned. Which leads to your threats of:

    "I have been working in the IT field for 15 years now, I was an ethical hacker and you can't control me. And there is no addon you can plug into your forums that can stop me." I would never claim to know all there is about hacking or websites, but I did start my degree off as an IT major and took a lot of core classes. During that time I researched all about hacking as I was leaning towards network security. I spent a lot of time in discussion groups etc. and your prose, spelling and lucidity of thought is so off from someone with 15 years IT experience (14 years of Best Buy stock room with a 1 year online hacking course doesn't count for real IT experience).

    And your friend Boohda's veiled threats "I have 23 confirmed kills in Iraq, pretty please talk shit to my face, I beg you, pretty please with a cherry on top" That's so old, it was in chat rooms on AOL in the late 90's bro.... All these anonymous guys with no name, no address, no anything tell you to talk to their face...

    The trolls threats get stronger as time goes on


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