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    Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    I've never been someone who enjoys superficial sexual relationships, as I enjoy deeper meaningful connections and lengthy tantric style intimacy. I'm attracted to a very specific type of person, and I'm always careful who I connect with as I try not to sleep with people who easily give away their bodies. The two of us had an incredible amount of extremely rare shared interests/views and the dates, conversations and sex were some of the most intense experiences i've ever had. In terms of laying the foundation for a true connection I really did everything perfectly, and it was apparent in her mannerisms. Im 28 and she was 20.

    Today after a full day of outdoor activities, staying up until 5 am "making love", she admits to me she has just started meeting older men and making $250-$350 for sex, and asks my opinion on it. Her first time doing it was the day before we had sex for the first time, and her second time was tonight after leaving our 24 hour hangout. Internally my heart dropped, but outwardly I didn't offer too much or show any emotion. I mainly just said "You're gonna do you" with a slight smirk, went for a swim in the ocean and then came back and called her a taxi. The only point I made to her is "At least I know the worth of the past few weeks. I appreciate your honesty, what you did before you met me isn't as big a deal, but I don't know why you would think I'd value someone who put a monetary value on giving away their body and energy to gross people". She looked traumatized but left and I suppose was unwilling to not follow down the path of prostitution.

    $300 is such a meager sum, but I would never tell her that. I have a pretty significant net worth through investing in crypto 5 years ago. I only own a motorcycle right now (which I took her on), as i've been living an active bachelor life. After meeting her I decided to buy a Mustang GT yesterday so we could take some road trips to nice places (I don't want a super flashy car), I was gonna surprise her next Monday. She has no idea what kind of money I made, all she saw was I had some money, I'm tall, extremely muscular, dominant and quite charismatic and yet she still believed taking loads from fat old dudes was the best choice. I honestly don't want to live in this society anymore.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    I have been following TRP for 5 years, MGTOW for the past year, and nofap / retention for awhile now as well. Hence the life I had built. Moving to a new city a few months ago admittedly got me lonely which I suppose lead to the lust that brought me into this circumstance. I will admit the frustration I have for myself, and while I am grateful I learned the lesson early the disillusionment definitely stings. At the very least this can be used as a lesson that no matter the progress you have made in all areas of your life, a $300 load from an old dude is "empowering".
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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by SoloSilk View Post
    I have been following TRP for 5 years, MGTOW for the past year, and nofap / retention for awhile now as well. Hence the life I had built. Moving to a new city a few months ago admittedly got me lonely which I suppose lead to the lust that brought me into this circumstance.
    What circumstance?
    You got money. Youth. A nice car. I am still not sure what your complaint is exactly.

    Or let me put it this way: You have no problems to speak of and your story is that you had free, fantastic sex with a hooker.
    Sounds horrible

    The reason why you are somehow unhappy about your situation is because you aren’t mgtow or red pilled. You are having hallucinations about some “connection” you had with this hooker. That’s something that is 100% in your own mind.

    It’s not society. It’s not the hooker. It’s you.

    Wake up!
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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Jesus you are absolutely right. The residual emotions I feel are simply programming from a fairytale conditioning that I still apparently live through. Reading all the literature from TRP / mgtow truths has perhaps only been a form of intellectual masturbation. Although they have definitely been the cause for my path down self-improvement. Thanks for the reframing, definitely saving this while I take some time to go back into monk mode and figure myself out.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by SoloSilk View Post
    Jesus you are absolutely right. The residual emotions I feel are simply programming from a fairytale conditioning that I still apparently live through. Reading all the literature from TRP / mgtow truths has perhaps only been a form of intellectual masturbation. Although they have definitely been the cause for my path down self-improvement. Thanks for the reframing, definitely saving this while I take some time to go back into monk mode and figure myself out.
    I am really happy that you can see it.

    It’s not just a fairytale conditioning. The response you had, the illusion of a connection, is hardwired into male biology.
    It’s how biology tricks us into procreation and servitude. Men and women have different chemical responses in their brains when they have sex and “fall in love”. Also the corresponding receptors are different.

    Women do NOT have a pair-bonding response. This is a tradcuck myth to get men to fall on the sword of gynocentrism.

    Women are biologically designed to have sex with multiple partners for different reasons. That’s why they can have infinite orgasms.

    The reasons for this are genetic health through microchimerism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism) and to manipulate a beta-male into providing.

    From an evolutionary perspective there is nothing wrong with this. They are doing what they were designed to do by nature.

    As a male it is close to impossible to prevent this bonding response from happening. It clouds your judgment (hence the saying that “love makes us blind”) This is the reason why a lot of us, including myself, go monk.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Indeed, men are conditioned to have such feelings in addition to a biological hard-wiring. I will say however there are two things that address this bonding response:


    1. It gets weaker as a man ages.
    2. It can be weakened by having sex with other women. If you find yourself having feelings for a woman, go bang a different woman.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    Dumcumsters, the lot of them!
    That pretty much sums it up. It’s just basic biology.
    Once you made your piece with that, life is great.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by SoloSilk View Post
    $300 is such a meager sum, but I would never tell her that.
    For a 20 year old $300 for 30 minutes (?) of work is pretty decent. Remember that most 20 year olds are actually in debt thanks to student fees and are still beholden to their parents because it's hard to pay rent and utilities with some part-time minimum wage job.

    Even though I'm a MGTOW I'm very liberal minded when it comes to prostitution and sex work. If men are willing to pay for sex then I don't fault women for taking them up on that offer.

    yet she still believed taking loads from fat old dudes was the best choice. I honestly don't want to live in this society anymore.
    Well, as you stated yourself, she didn't have complete knowledge about your financial situation. And even then, perhaps she would rather be rented than owned outright.

    I honestly don't want to live in this society anymore.


    As other posters have pointed out, you are in good health, are good looking, financially secure, and were having obligation free sex with a 20 year old. Granted, a lot of that is due to your own hard work and wise decisions, but still, be pleased with yourself. Yeah, it sucks that you can't form an emotional connection with that particular woman, but you don't need her for that, and you don't even really need a woman in order to have a deep emotional connection.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by SoloSilk View Post
    Internally my heart dropped, but outwardly I didn't offer too much or show any emotion. .
    This is the key problem, don't ever become emotionally invested. I'm not sure you have known this person for but if I were to guess it would not be very long. it sounds like you had your fun with her until you realized the lifestyle/CC that consumes her.

    Focus on separating yourself mentally/emotionally from attachment if you are still pursuing women (Which is not worth it anyways).
    Simple steps to a happy life:
    - Don't ever marry
    - Don't ever cohabitate
    - Focus on your own physical health
    - Find hobbies that make YOU happy
    - True freedom comes from being happy by yourself

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    I think you made a mistake. The kind of mistake I would have made at your age, one based on emotions, rather than logic.

    The woman "unmasked" herself. Essentially, she gave you a kind of Monopoly "Get out of Jail for Free" card. Or in this case, an "Avoid Falling in Love, Getting Married, and Getting Divorce-Raped" card.

    If she didn't reveal her true nature to you, and especially if she found out how well off you are, she would have realized she could have both her Alpha Fux AND her Beta Bucks all in one package, continued to play the role of a very "good girl" and potential "good wife," and then taken you to the cleaners once she could no longer keep her true nature under control.

    We saw this in real in the case of the young, tall, handsome, rich, and renowned spinal surgeon in NY City, who was married to the former Miss Connecticut beauty queen...until he found out she had made over $750,000 as a high priced hooker while they were married.

    High profile NY spinal surgeon dissolves five-year ...

    https://konniemoments.com/2021/07/27/high-profile...
    Manhattan based spinal surgeon Dr. Han Jo Kim [left], is seeking an annulment of his five-year marriage to Regina Turner [right], after claiming he discovered that the former beauty queen had worked as a high class escort before and during their marriage, court papers reveal.


    Millionaire surgeon divorces beauty queen Regina Turner ...

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/3358002/surgeon...
    New York City spinal surgeon Dr Han Jo Kim and estranged spouse Regina Turner, once a Miss Connecticut USA, finalised their split before a public hearing could take place, according to a spokesman for the state Office of Court Administration. 4 Regina Turner was …


    Note, that she agreed to a very rushed divorce settlement in order to avoid a public hearing of her nefarious activities in Family Court.

    The rush of earning in less than an hour what some men must toil all day to earn is powerful. And for women who are morally "numb," addictive.

    Knowing what she told you, you could have continued to enjoy her Youth and Beauty, which is all that is required for enjoyable sex, while knowing she has no Virtue, which is the requirement for commitment.

    What should you have done?

    - Pretended to be impressed by what she was doing, not say anything "judgmental" or express approval or disapproval.

    - Kept the door open for her to come to you for the "Boy Friend Experience."

    - Kept her in the dark about your true finances. (Example, tell her that the Mustang was a rental.)

    - Document her activities and always use protection, to avoid any legal entanglement/sperm jacking. (You do not want to pay child support for a "trick baby."

    - Be very clear in your mind what she is: a nice sportscar you "borrow" once in a while, but NOT one that you sign a long term lease for.

    - Keep your small, modest apartment, and even you rent or buy a better place, only see her there. Discourage her from moving in with you.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; August 15, 2021 at 1:40 AM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by Bam View Post
    Doesn’t sound like you are MGTOW or red pill.
    Eventually you are going to get yourself into trouble that way.

    Huh? What? Why? From your story it sounds like you are rich, young and healthy.
    Wanna trade places?
    There's nothing un-MGTOW about what he's doing. This particular sub-forum is for "Bachelors" - meaning MGTOWs who date selectively.

    Just remember, money doesn't insulate us from the vast majority of things; so to minimize what someone's going through because of money doesn't make the most sense.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    A note as we have a lot of new members:

    The BACHELOR sub-forum, which this is, is about MGTOWs who are okay with dating. If you're not that kind of MGTOW, best if you post elsewhere on the forum (ie: Ghost sub-forum). I see a lot of responses which attack the OP for not being "red pill" or "MGTOW". He is absolutely MGTOW if he has a basic understanding of women. MGTOW is not anti-dating. Dating means having an awareness of what you're getting into; even then women can surprise you.

    https://www.goingyourownway.com/mgto...ommunity-6383/

    Bachelors are forever exploring, always learning. They like being around the right kind of people. They may or may not be extraverted but they see the benefit of being around others as it fits their personality. A friend means a lot. Bachelors enjoy the company of women without pedestalizing them or thinking they are more than they actually are. They know the right kind of woman can bring a different kind of personality and energy which can be invigorating. They are firmly red pill and prefer to engage the world around them with red pill principles rather than retreat. Bachelors are not PUAS who often subject themselves to far too much BS from women to get the bang; base too much of their life and self-worth around scoring.
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    Anyone can read this board. If you don't consider yourself a bachelor, my recommendation is to read and get a feel for it. It's better than to dive in, miss the mark, and have your post deleted. This community's a little different than the Lounge. It's best just to click the link above but I'll summarize part of it - we don't oversell the risks in being around women, we spend most of our time talking about interesting things we're doing, self-improvement - we listen and ask more than we dispense advice.


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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    There's nothing un-MGTOW about what he's doing. This particular sub-forum is for "Bachelors" - meaning MGTOWs who date selectively.

    Just remember, money doesn't insulate us from the vast majority of things; so to minimize what someone's going through because of money doesn't make the most sense.
    I agree and disagree.

    Maybe my (deleted) post was over the top. But I was trying to make a point. He's probably doing what he wants, but buying a car to impress a girl is utterly BS and validation seeking. that's not going your own way. It's more going out of your way to impress a girl and 'get her' than anything else Imo.

    I'm not per say against dating, if done correctly, and there is a investment from both sides, as far as I'm aware after OP's story. that's not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrackingPanda View Post
    I agree and disagree.

    Maybe my (deleted) post was over the top. But I was trying to make a point. He's probably doing what he wants, but buying a car to impress a girl is utterly BS and validation seeking. that's not going your own way. It's more going out of your way to impress a girl and 'get her' than anything else Imo.

    I'm not per say against dating, if done correctly, and there is a investment from both sides, as far as I'm aware after OP's story. that's not the case.
    In his defense, he did not buy it to "impress" her, or to "get her." He was already getting her viscosity. He got the car because taking long trips in a motorcycle aren't as comfortable. A motorcycle has no trunk/boot to put luggage into.
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; December 6, 2021 at 9:11 PM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    In his defense, he did not buy it to "impress" her, or to "get her." He was already getting her viscosity. He got to car because taking long trips in a motorcycle isn't as comfortable. A motorcycle has no truck to put luggage into.
    and on a motorcycle your neck, back, and arms get stressed form all the wind wind buffeting, and constant balance adjustments and wind burns if you're not wearing a full face. Never mind riding late fall with frost covering your seat in the morning! '''Burrrrrrrrrrrrr'''

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    You’d be surprised just how many girls are on seeking arrangements or onlyfans. I’ve looked at the most “innocent looking” girls on dating apps and recognised their photos from seeking arrangements. It’s a really difficult thing to shake off, but these apps have made it possible for just about any woman to do. If she has a pair of boobs and is 5/10 or better she’s going to make bank on those kind of apps.

    The problem is, they’re often very low quality women - even the ones who look “good”. Their moral compass is compromised by hypergamy and they couldn’t be trusted in any capacity. It’s a shame, it truly is.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    I've thought of something else.

    Most women of the current generation have been indoctrinated to compete with men for seats in university (and get them... through affirmative action), then graduate, then compete with men for jobs (and get them...through affirmative action), and then work and ride the Carousel, until they get tired of working, then seek a Beta provider when they approach the Wall and realize when they don't want to work until they are 60-70 years old...like a man.

    That point where exhaustion of working like a man meets a dwindling ability to compete with younger women for the attention of Chad is when most women "turn traditional" and seek a man who will fulfill the man's obligation in a tradcon marriage.

    But the woman the OP is talking about is different.

    She is only 20 years old. And she doesn't want to work like a man for 40-50 years. Hell, she doesn't even want to work like a woman for 10 years. She does not think she is capable of working at all. She has given up, and her life has only started. She is not ambitious enough to study to be a nurse, or go to beautician school, or even learn how to run a cash register. She is not even attempting to learn any vocational skills aside from gargling out with mouthwash and reapplying her lipstick after some man her used her mouth as a spittoon.

    If she is successful with SA, she might get by (or get 'bought') for a while. She might last a decade, maybe more. But eventually, she is going to have to get a real job. Or do porn.

    Imagine if you won the lottery at 18, had enough money to never have to work, did not find a 'job substitute,' and then, at 40, run out of money and have to work to support yourself for the first time. Your "work muscles" would have atrophied. It would be as if you were born and raised on a space station and zero or little gravity, and then came to Earth. Normal Earth gravity would feel oppressive to you.

    Is this woman thinking she is going to be the next Ana Nicole Smith, the trailer park girl who worked as a waitress, got a spread in Playboy, and then found an octogenarian millionaire to support her for the rest of her life?

    She might
    Last edited by sam luis obispo; June 30, 2022 at 6:10 AM.
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    I tried the Sugar Baby thing a few years ago. It cemented my MGTOW beliefs. I never found a woman I considered worthy to spend time with let alone pay for the "privilege" of doing so. What I did find were lots of women who wanted a man to pay to be with them but didn't have a clue how to speak to men let alone seduce them.

    I get that you fell for this woman and when I was on the site I would fall into a fantasy too. I would see a photo and think how sweet she looked and then remember she is basically on a prostitution site! That double edged sword that a lot of men forget about.

    I think when it comes to young modern women you have to always remember that sex for them is sport and a means of making money or accruing a man's resources. Secondly you have to remember that they are seriously broken they have been reprogrammed wrong by their Socialist minders and they think the whole world is set up for them now. They quickly learn otherwise and become very bitter about it.

    Also $300 isn't much, to make a decent living from that she would have to be doing it 2-3 times a week at least to make a living. SB isn't the same as hooker either, some of her sessions might have been for hours and she still only gets $300! In other words one guy spends all night drilling her.

    I have read articles about how too many sex partners can affect women and destroy their ability to form relationships and bond. It all makes sense, they get tired of being used and become cynical. This woman is already there.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by Kryptic View Post


    Also $300 isn't much, to make a decent living from that she would have to be doing it 2-3 times a week at least to make a living.
    2-3 sessions a week is great money - when it is not taxed. It is even better money when combined with unemployment and stimulus benefits and no rent!

    Hobo-sexuals!
    An escort is a woman you occasionally financially support only when she has sex with you.

    A date is a woman you occasionally financially support in the hope she will have sex with you.

    A wife is a woman you constantly financially support even when she is not having sex with you.

    An ex-wife is a woman you constantly financially support with alimony so she can have sex......with someone else.

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    Re: Fell for a girl who turned out to be active on seeking arrangements

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    2-3 sessions a week is great money - when it is not taxed. It is even better money when combined with unemployment and stimulus benefits and no rent!

    Hobo-sexuals!
    Yeah it's not bad and if she is in America, from what I understand it would be decent and tax free is the real kicker.

    The thing that always amused me about the women on SA is that they would spend a fortune on hairdo's and clothes etc trying to impress these men who couldn't care less and just want to fuck them.

    So whatever she is making, I bet she is wasting most of it.


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