Results 1 to 20 of 20
  1. #1

    FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills
    written by Kyojiro Kagenuma, edited by BeijaFlor

    In this article, I will examine the differences and similarities between Herbivore Men and Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW). I am indebted to MGTOW having given me perspective and insight that is invaluable for all men. Vice versa, I believe the Herbivore culture can contribute an understanding and applications that would be beneficial for men.

    Intellect and Industry

    If there is one thing that can be said about MGTOW, it is how intelligently the movement conducts and exhibits itself. MGTOW has only been around 5 years, but it has garnered tremendous amount of support and followers from America, Europe and certain parts of Asia due to the many talented MGTOW speakers using the internet as a platform to articulate, with fervor, elegance, and piercing candor, the perils of modern women and society with illuminating insight and electrifying exegesis.

    Anyone who has taken the Red Pill is compelled to be honest with themselves and to raise their intellect, not least due to MGTOW's expansive vocabulary; they also need to relinquish their long-standing ignorance regarding Feminism’s destructiveness on modern society, and begin to defend, retaliate and change public perception. The core of MGTOW, as a movement, is their collective wisdom and how this wisdom is dispensed on a national and international scale.

    Herbivore men, unfortunately, have not yet developed this intellect – the hazard of “eating grass” all your life. However, what they lack in intellect, they make up for it with imagination. What the Herbivore men have done successfully in the last 20 years, has been creating male spaces. It seems mind-boggling upon reflection; the goal of MGTOW is to help men navigate life against the gauntlet of Feminism, yet Herbivore men’s adaptation to it has been almost instinctive. It’s uncanny.

    Weaning off women, opting out of the marriage institution and “Going Galt”, Herbivore men as a collective have joined together across different socio-economic demographics to claim their own territory. Where there was no place for them they created one; diverse markets of Otaku culture that consists of - among others - manga, anime, video games, toys, figurines, porn and now even fashion and beauty. The Herbivore market has reached a size of at least 809.3 billion Yen, roughly US$ 8 billion, as of 2011 (Yano Research 2011)

    So pervasive is the Otaku culture that it now spawns a myriad of followers around the world. With its own set of predominantly-male industries, Otaku Culture not only provides that much needed outlet for men, but it also preserves monetary resources that might otherwise fall in the hands of decadent and predatory women. Japanese men have more money and they are spending it for themselves, slowly eroding Japanese women’s purchasing power, putting pressure on large corporations as well as the government to take notice and respond.

    MGTOW are statesmen and scholars while Herbivore Men are artists and entrepreneurs. Both are needed to build and propel a civilization and both are equally important in our struggle against Feminism. Substantial public opinion is needed to procure public support to instigate social change, while strong purchasing power is required to exert economic leverage to dictate public (and especially corporate) interests. Effectively, the West is fighting Feminism from the front, while the East is fighting them from within.

    Green Grass

    What some of the Herbivore Men are doing – those that incline towards fashion and beauty – is redefining the male identity. A man’s identity is reflected by his role in society and these new generation of young Japanese men is breaking the old mold of traditional male role. Decisions such as ‘Going Dutch’ on a date, and being unassertive and indifferent towards romances, is their way of no longer adhering to the role of the provider and family protector.

    The reaction towards Herbivore men has been mixed. Masahiro Moriaka, a professor of philosophy at Osaka Prefecture University, stated that the Feminists in Japan are looking at Herbivore men with distrust and apathy but Japanese women in general are curious about the phenomenon. He further explained that some Feminists view the Herbivore men as another trap made by the male power and an attempt to conceal (male) domestic violence (Moriaka, M 2013).

    LOL?

    Herbivore Men are known with their gentleness towards women; hence this statement from Feminists can only be described as delusional. However, acting on this delusion, feminists have in the past 2 years dialed up their victim rhetoric, citing that “reports of domestic violence in Japan for the first six months of 2012 have increased by a significant 46.3% over the same period from the year before(Westlake, A 2012). This may seem a great deal and you might assume a crisis but consider that the same article also states that reported cases of DV only amounted to 2,016.

    Only 2,016.

    To be honest, this figure is insignificant. Japan’s National Police Agency said that 2012 recorded 1,382,154 criminal cases, half what the statistic was in 2002 and 6.7% less than in 2011 (JapanToday 2013). Also bear in mind that murders and attempted murders were 1,030 cases – the lowest on record since the Second World War - and the year before, the number of suicides were 30,000, plus 10,000 deaths that were work-related (Fukada, S 2012). Feminists would have you believe that there is an epidemic of wife-beating in Japan when it isn’t even 1% of Japan’s crime rate in 2012; it’s only 0.1%.

    Feminists claim that Japan is violent - when in reality, Japan is the safest country in the world. (The Japan Times, 2014)

    Inadvertently or otherwise, Herbivore men are displaying examples of qualities inherent in men, such as self-assuredness, tolerance, patience, creativity and perseverance. I suspect that the Feminists in Japan are nervous because Herbivore men are not exhibiting the male violence about which they rant. As Herbivore men become the majority, more women will realize the many allegations that Feminists made were lies and people will come to grasp what Feminism truly is - a mental disease.

    Hence, by redefining what it means to be a man as well as creating and participating in markets and industries that are androcentric, Herbivore men are succeeding in changing society’s perception as well as creating large pockets of male spaces in a gynocentric ecosystem; a system within a system, disparate but not separate.

    continued

  2. #2

    Re: Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Red Pills

    Meanwhile, Feminism in the west has successfully built a Gynocratic Empire that takes advantage of male disposability and misandry to continually erode the value of men. Sullying their dignity made men rely upon the approval of women. Women have manipulated men using guilt and shaming rhetoric to rob them of esteem, rendering him submissive while broken promises of the reward of sex ensured that he remained compliant. Feminism convinced men to be subjugated by women.

    What MGTOW is doing, is to reclaim the Male Worth. The Male Worth is the understanding that men are not disposable and that men are and is able to do immense good. It is a man’s own realization of his own autonomy, of his limitless potential and of his enduring determination to strive, pursue and achieve greatness that is to his benefit and those within his dominion.

    This greatness could be in terms of, but not limited to; athletic, academic, economic, scientific or even artistic success. Men have pursued every field with passion and vigor, and we continually triumphed. For the first time, in a long time, men who took the Red Pill and jumped into the rabbit hole, realized that they did not need women to be successful, to be good or to be a man.

    The MGTOW assault however, is a pincer movement. While reclaiming Male Worth, MGTOW exposes the core nature of women, i.e. their selfishness, childishness, greed, laziness, manipulation and deception, thus effectively diminishing women’s inflated sense of self-worth down to its real, actual value - which is sex. And when sex is no longer part of the equation, women have no leverage.

    Women are losing power over men and that is scaring the shit out of them.

    So afraid are the womenfolk, that a Google search of “MGTOW 2013” offered 156,000 results, and the first page is filled with vitriol, hate and condemnation. They have flagged the MGTOW videos on YouTube repeatedly, to stifle the MGTOW voice, but in fact their efforts are aiding and abetting the spread of the Red Pill. Another Google search for “MGTOW 2014” yielded 96,500 results in a mere two months into the year, which shows that people are talking about MGTOW.

    Make no mistake gentlemen, MGTOW is growing. You are being heard, and the world is responding.

    Through MGTOWs relentless and tireless labor, more men are ‘waking up’ and ‘wising up’ to women and their wrongdoing. Even some of the women are siding with men (not that it’s needed, but let’s not be finicky). And granted MGTOW is young compared to the Men’s Rights Movement (MRM); but what MRM could not do for tens of years, MGTOW have managed to do it in 5 through a critical analysis of women and applying an appropriate counter-force in response.

    By returning men their dignity and revealing the lie of the female worth, MGTOW is demolishing the Gynocracy and the pedestal that society holds for women. By reclaiming our Male Worth, men are liberating themselves from the system, and fighting back. Bit by bit, MGTOW is garnering public support to fight against the insidious tyranny of Feminism.

    Male Worth and Male Identity

    What can be learned from both Herbivore men and MGTOW is that we need to redefine our role and to appreciate our value in the postmodern world. This does not mean becoming effeminate, but it does mean that we move away from the protector and provider role and continue to explore unconventional ideas in an uninhibited intellectual and creative environment.

    We should consider developing and participating in new and existing industries and markets that are catered to us and uniquely us. From something as simple as creating an anti-feminism meme to spread on social networks, or sharing Red Pill experiences in various forums, to delving into animation, comics, music, literature and online gaming, MGTOW can use these markets as avenues to further spread the Red Pill.

    We also should deliberate on different habits, manners and behaviors in dealing with women that are uniquely MGTOW or Herbivore. I believe the fusion of MGTOW’s intellectual honesty and inspired candor with Herbivore Men’s quiet confidence and creative independence warrants serious thought. Imagine creating a sci-fi graphic novel or manga using ideas from Stardusk and words from Barbarossaa.

    Lastly we also should appreciate our male worthiness in fields of athletics, academics, economics, civics, scientific and artistic endeavor, as well as share this success with fellow MGTOWs and Herbivore men. Doing this promotes camaraderie among men in a world full of misandry, and also sends a chilling message to Feminism and the Gynocracy. It shows the world that we chose to opt out of the system and lead a MGTOW or Herbivore lifestyle; and we are fitter, happier and more productive because of it.

    As more people see how content and fulfilled we are with being MGTOW and Herbivore, the sooner they’ll realize that the life they are living is a sham. Let’s make 2014 a great year to be MGTOW and Herbivore Men.


    References:

    Morioka, Masahiro, 2013 A Phenomenological Study of Herbivore Men, The Review of Life Studies, Vol. 4, September 2013

    DomesticViolence Cases reported in Japan increase by 46% in 2012.




    Case Study: Karoshi: Death from over-work




    Crime stats down across Japan in 2012, says NPA




    Japan's Death March: Overworked Salarymen




    Crime rate dips again in Japan

  3. #3
    Senior Member BeijaFlor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Chesapeake Bay, USA
    Posts
    4,145
    Reputation
    13169
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Once again ... totally awesome.

    I'm honored to help you with your Grass Fed posts - and I want to declare, the help is minimal. You, sir, are AMAZING!
    "The Red Pill is the start of the journey, not the end." - Chairborne

    "Our most dangerous enemies are men who have no loyalty to men." - William Noy

    "I am not going to sacrifice my freedom and wealth for your ideals." - Primus Pilus

    "If you can't be happy on you're own, you can't be happy -- full stop." - Wilfred

    My introduction: I Was MGTOW When MGTOW Wasn't Cool...

    My blog: Beyond The Sunset

  4. #4
    Senior Member mr.anonymous's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    No idea
    Posts
    252
    Reputation
    722

    Re: Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    I have to admit, I am enjoying these articles a great deal.

    In fact I am ecstatic you are posting them here. I've said before, I take a keen interest in this movement as I feel it will provide a great deal of insight for social changes across many cultures and countries.

    What they can expect are the repercussions of having a dis-incentivized male population as a direct consequence of females that are undesirable to them. Do they want them assuming traditional roles again?

    Not necessarily. But they don't want vicious emotional and egotistic gladiators that they have to contend with as partners. And they don't want women that merely view them as beasts of burden for their conquests towards fantasized fairy tale endings.

    And using the entire social structure as a yoke upon them to force their submission is certainly yielding unintended consequences as well. In fact, those consequences could be viewed as catastrophic as the social landscape is simply disintegrating.

  5. #5
    Senior Member WheelBarrow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Boardwalk
    Posts
    297
    Reputation
    947

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Thank you. I found this series most informative and thought provoking.
    “Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company.” – George Washington

  6. #6
    Member juicemoney's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    East Kanuckistan
    Posts
    53
    Reputation
    234

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Great work! The more men that wake up the better. MGTOW is far more successful because we take stock of where we are vs where we want to be and focus on what we can control.

    I'm not really a fan of MRM because they come across as whiny victims who keep complaining about systematic oppression. It is far more productive to understand what constraints exist and work around them instead of bitching.

  7. #7
    Senior Member Wilfred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    225
    Reputation
    961
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Fascinating stuff. It's inspiring to see the impact these "hidden stories" really have on the world... The pendulum is always swinging, and if it swings too far one way, the backswing will be equally devastating

  8. #8
    Senior Member livas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Croatia
    Posts
    168
    Reputation
    418

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyojiro Kagenuma View Post

    MGTOW are statesmen and scholars while Herbivore Men are artists and entrepreneurs.
    I can see where you are coming from with that idea! Thinking vs. expressing.

    I always thought of japanese people as being a little bit more disciplined and a little bit more "strict" going about their daily lives. Where in that sort of society the need & urge to express and manifest the feelings of opression would be mainly creative or artistic work. (makes sense?)
    Maybe this is some kind of prejudice people in europe have towards Japan but I can assure you that the superficial public opinion where I live is mostly that if the train on the subway is delayed by like 2 min. the driver will commit suicide later at home.

    The difference between herbivores and mgtow is only a cultural one because there sure are great scholars in Japan opposing the abusive system and of course there have always been artists in the west who have been against unjust and unfair treatment of other people by society.

    So in my opinion united we stand but divided we fall.
    Last edited by livas; February 26, 2014 at 12:32 AM.

  9. #9
    Junior Member fantasma's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Posts
    25
    Reputation
    113
    Type
    Neutral/Bachelor

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Thanks for these.. Very interesting...

    I'm a bit concerned with rallying too much around a label like "MGTOW" or "herbivores" as once a group is labelled something, it is far too easy for opposing groups to infiltrate, skew the identity of the movement into something intolerable and then make it shameful to be associated with that movement. Just as the opposition in Japan is trying to shame the 'herbivores' grouping by making shameful claims about the group, the same could happen too if the term MGTOW were too readily defined. The power of the group isn't identifying with the label, but acting on the principles agreed upon. In the case of MGTOW, the actions is just opting to not do anything.

    A few examples:
    The american tea-party group started with the idea that government should be smaller, and we should pay less taxes. That was it.... It was infiltrated, or even just joined by people that wanted to use that platform for other means (like religious aims in politics) and the whole concept and platform was vilified by this 'infiltration'

    The Occupy-groups that protested a while back, was demonized (correctly or not) as being a protest group that were people causing trouble for no end. (hippies, druggies, vandals, etc.) The ideals were about holding 'the 1%' accountable for the failings of the economy. Instead, there were (some) reasonably justified police actions taken against these groups and they were seen publicly as a nuisance. While the core concept might have had some validity, the execution was terrible. (& some claim that there were 'agent provocateurs' among the crowds that intentionally villified the group by doing subversive actions that would be held against the group overall)

    The Internet group "Anonymous", which technically isn't a real group, also had identity label villified by people (some later proven to be subversive) doing illegal things. People identifying themselves as "Anonymous" were once considered pranksters and showmen that would show up to places in masks and demonstrate, and are now identified by much of the public as malicious hackers that steal data, credit cards, and break corporate networks and systems.

    It is far too easy for a label identifying a group to be villified by rogue elements. Uniting with action is only effective when the message is universal and can't be skewed so easily. The power of MGTOW, herbivores or whatever is the realization that uniting in in-action is a message that can't be skewed, shamed, or villified.

    (For the record, I've never fully identified or participated with the groups I mentioned, I only watched to see how their counter-culture attempts at change worked.)

    Thanks again for the thought provoking articles.

  10. #10
    Senior Member BeijaFlor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Chesapeake Bay, USA
    Posts
    4,145
    Reputation
    13169
    Type
    Ghost

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Interesting point, Fantasma ... labels are a convenience, but they can become a liability. Certainly the "MGTOW" label has taken a lot of heat, and some of us, ourselves, generated some of that heat. We see men who claim the name, but play a different game; we see men who live the same, but disdain the name. (You can see plenty of both, complete with man-splaining and other-shaming, on AVfM's article Subverting MGTOW and its comment-thread.)

    Our parent board, MGTOW Forums, got pretty hard-nosed and hard-line in our rhetoric. Were we compromised by "rogue elements?" Possibly. Did the emotional core-dumping and rhetorical pressure-blasting, by members who were undergoing (or had undergone) ass-raping divorces in the Family Cunt - er, Court - system, give us a bad odor in the nostrils of others? Maybe. Were we, as a group, scorned for it, shunned for it, vilified for it? Doesn't bother me.

    I hope we can keep this space reasonably couth, and reasonably troll-free. I hope we can explore the potential, the possibilities, of Going Your Own Way, and that our discussions here can help us, and others, find our Own Way. Other than that, I'm not interested in herding cats, here.
    "The Red Pill is the start of the journey, not the end." - Chairborne

    "Our most dangerous enemies are men who have no loyalty to men." - William Noy

    "I am not going to sacrifice my freedom and wealth for your ideals." - Primus Pilus

    "If you can't be happy on you're own, you can't be happy -- full stop." - Wilfred

    My introduction: I Was MGTOW When MGTOW Wasn't Cool...

    My blog: Beyond The Sunset

  11. #11

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Thank you everyone for reading, liking and posting. You have no idea how overwhelmed I am by the responses. I'm happy to share my thoughts with my brothers in the hope that if at least one person walks away with his life just a little better.

    But I needed to get some distance, reflect and deflate my head before it swells too large. This is the type of thing Fantasma so aptly cautioned could happened and I agree with his assessment. Hu~


    Quote Originally Posted by livas View Post
    Where in that sort of society the need & urge to express and manifest the feelings of opression would be mainly creative or artistic work. (makes sense?)
    Exactly my friend

    Quote Originally Posted by fantasma View Post
    I'm a bit concerned with rallying too much around a label like "MGTOW" or "herbivores" as once a group is labelled something, it is far too easy for opposing groups to infiltrate, skew the identity of the movement into something intolerable and then make it shameful to be associated with that movement. Just as the opposition in Japan is trying to shame the 'herbivores' grouping by making shameful claims about the group, the same could happen too if the term MGTOW were too readily defined. The power of the group isn't identifying with the label, but acting on the principles agreed upon. In the case of MGTOW, the actions is just opting to not do anything.
    Yes.

    I am concerned about this as well. The reason Herbivore Men could develop so well was because we were ignored for so long which gave us ample time to develop our male spaces and identity. Even now there are 'imposters' trying to cash in on the Herbivore trend. In South Korea there are 'Flower Boys' who look androgynous and neotonous to seduce South Korean women. In China there are 'City Jade Men' who are Chinese Metrosexuals and they spent $280 million on skin care products in 2010. It's easy to spot these people because they are... PUA-like if that's a good comparison.

    MGTOW is rapidly growing and there is a danger of infiltration and corruption from outside forces. I think it's good that we raise these issues now so that we can learn how to deal with these people and I have thoughts on these that I would like to explore before I write them

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    I hope we can keep this space reasonably couth, and reasonably troll-free. I hope we can explore the potential, the possibilities, of Going Your Own Way, and that our discussions here can help us, and others, find our Own Way. Other than that, I'm not interested in herding cats, here.
    Yes. You're awesome BeijaFlor.

  12. #12

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    In some news pieces I read about grass eaters, it was mentioned that many grass eaters are living at home (or that their mothers give them money to help them). And of course that they result in more spinsters being supported by their parents. But in your article (first part) you compare a 100k salaryman salary to a 60k grass eater salary. That 60k doesn't sound like someone just working enough to get by; it sounds more like a comparison of two salarymen, one of whom gets paid more for being married. Is that right? Also, how much can a woman get these days for taking a job, say, at a department store? A lot of women are doing such work - what kind of men are they married to typically, and what is their financial situation? In the USA you often see wives just take positions for the spending money, since their husbands pay for everything, and they treat them like sinecures (and the employers often kowtow to them "we have to treat her well, she doesn't need the job"). Then there are other women in the workforce, trying to survive until they can find a husband. And so on, lots of different types.

  13. #13

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Thank you for reading Myshkin! I'll try to answer these questions as best as I can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myshkin View Post
    In some news pieces I read about grass eaters, it was mentioned that many grass eaters are living at home (or that their mothers give them money to help them). And of course that they result in more spinsters being supported by their parents.
    Yes! Younger Herbivore men who are graduates (or not) often live with their parents. It's just more affordable than living in the middle of Tokyo. This has been going on since early 2000 and they were called Parasite Singles then.

    But in your article (first part) you compare a 100k salaryman salary to a 60k grass eater salary. That 60k doesn't sound like someone just working enough to get by; it sounds more like a comparison of two salarymen, one of whom gets paid more for being married. Is that right?
    True for the first part; the figures are a comparison of two salarymen. The former salarymen however, is not necessarily getting paid more because he is married (I think some European countries do this?). In Japan, your pay is base on your seniority in the firm and assuming that you are putting in paid overtime to get more pay to support your family, and putting unpaid overtime to finish your workload to get future promotions.

    Also, how much can a woman get these days for taking a job, say, at a department store? A lot of women are doing such work - what kind of men are they married to typically, and what is their financial situation?
    This question is kind of tough. I'll start by saying that in Japan women are paid 33% less men. A person's payscale is base on the person's seniority and it is true that men are often promoted more than women. However, a fresh graduate girl or guy will get the same starting pay 150,000 to 300,000 yen give or take.

    The reason why the supposed gender pay gap is because men are just more productive. The men don't get pregnant, that means no maternity leave. The men often put in more hours, to get paid more or to gain a promotion hence the entire 'karoshi' or work-related deaths (and companies compensation to families when that happens). The even bring their work home (called cloaked overtime)

    Since corporations implemented 'no overtime days' as well as having a habit of not paying overtime, there's been a trend for wives to work as well. What kind of men are these women married to? No idea (I'm not interested in knowing really).

    In the USA you often see wives just take positions for the spending money, since their husbands pay for everything, and they treat them like sinecures (and the employers often kowtow to them "we have to treat her well, she doesn't need the job"). Then there are other women in the workforce, trying to survive until they can find a husband. And so on, lots of different types.
    Firstly, nice use of sinecure. In Japan you can hardly find sinecure in the working class; these women do work and those who don't work are not derided. In corporations there are hardly any women. Just like you mentioned, what Japanese women do is they work until they get married and then they settle down.

  14. #14

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Read the entire article Kyo, you certainly put a well thought out perspective to a growing trend concerning Herbivore Men. Thank you for putting the time and effort to research and write this up.

    Some additions:

    - Given how closed Japan's culture is to the outside world, herbivore men do have a chance to discuss but it's more likely within their own forums or through private messaging. Hence, we get the luxury of seeing the action but none of the thought process. So it's not just them being creative or intellectually stunted, they're simply operating within their own spaces and are less likely to be vocal about it on the global setting. Not to mention given the aggressiveness of the feminists and traditionalists in Japan, it's not surprising they're staying off the radar.

    - I've also heard about the younger women claiming less interest in sex or dating, about 45% of young women not interested. Apart from the obvious bias involved given the source and author, I think it's interesting to at least note that the younger generation as a whole is taking some notice of this phenomenon. How they deal with it in the future is a different matter.
    Referrence link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ped-having-sex

    - While the population is a concern, looking further into the Japanese MGTOW phenomenon, the bigger question is how are the men are challenging Japanese culture as a whole by redefining the 'beta man'? There's a lot of subtleties that get overlooked such as perceived tastes. Herbivore men are not only starting their own enterprises in the otaku, cosmetic and porn industries, but also food. Originally when it came to food, men weren't associated with consuming sweets or sugary items. It was women who did that. Now, there are numerous desserts and products that cater to men's sweet tooth that they're inadvertently creating a market for it. Labeling sweets as a manly food would be considered out of the norm, but in Japan it's picking up. So given all the new markets and the acquired wealth, Herbivore men was redefined the new beta man (young men who have decided to not participate with mainstream society and go their own way) for which the next generation will observe. I think that's the real scary problem, not the population issue now but the cultural dissidence that will follow as they keep this up.

    - They did have a 2008 Fat Tax which was supposedly to prevent increasing rates of obesity. This could be measured through BMI or waist size. I bring this up in comparison to the Handsome Tax. How would you measure how handsome someone is through a handsome tax? I've heard of this before and it boggles me how they do it. Handsome and ugly are subjective terms with no real unit measure except through biased judgement.

    Example is our own SMV rating scale for women. It's a general system designed for us to relate to how hot a woman is on a scale of 1 (ugly) to 10 (sexy). However, we would never use it as a scientific form of measurement much less as a valid reason to implement policies.

    Also to include an 80% tax will just mean that the single men will just use cosmetics to make themselves look less attractive in order to compensate. Finally, how does this actually encourage the ugly men (subjective numbers of them) to date or raise families?

    - Last thing to note, the single women who work and are taxed should be upset because they will never receive the government benefits of raising their children. If anything, these women will be the ones supporting the growth of the current families with their taxes as they suffer the spinster lifestyle. With no one to marry, these women would be the ones to lose out as their married counterparts play with their kids.

  15. #15
    Senior Member Happy_Hour's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    186
    Reputation
    1080

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Once again, I love reading these herbivore posts and I think that whole thing over there is just awesome. This passive approach to indirectly fighting feminism by simply ignoring women and refusing to participate reminds me of that meme of someone trying to walk a cat on a leash. The cat will never cooperate and you will have to drag it while it lays still in complete stubborn defiance.

    Also, "So afraid are the womenfolk, that a Google search of “MGTOW 2013” offered 156,000 results, and the first page is filled with vitriol, hate and condemnation. They have flagged the MGTOW videos on YouTube repeatedly, to stifle the MGTOW voice, but in fact their efforts are aiding and abetting the spread of the Red Pill. Another Google search for “MGTOW 2014” yielded 96,500 results in a mere two months into the year, which shows that people are talking about MGTOW."

    Does this mean there is likely a bunch of female lurker trolls reading all the stuff I post about women in my Whorror Story threads? Bwahahaha!

  16. #16
    Senior Member College MGTOW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Seattle, WA, USA
    Posts
    287
    Reputation
    1058
    Type
    Bachelor

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Oh. Well shit. I thought it was just me noticing that this forum does seem to bring out the best of us.

    Reading that Subverting MGTOW post really got to me. Hey-Zeus, I am my own enemy! Whatever.

    Japanese creativity and American drive, round 2? I'm up for it.

  17. #17

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    I'll just post in this thread as opposed to the other 2.

    Personally I loved all 3 of these, as I've been pretty intrigued by the Japanese grass eating phenomenon. But I knew that there wouldn't be a good way to know the real truth outside of the media bias, etc.

    More is always better in terms of posts like these. I remember hearing the term "Christmas cake" for women over 25 who were romantically unwanted. Is that a commonly used term in society in general, or just some witty slang. Maybe a good post about that would be worthwhile.

    Either way, great job on these!

  18. #18

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    According to http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ristmas%20Cake
    it means that the woman turned 25. Apparently, in Japan this is comparable to a woman turning 30 in the States.

    For example, the Office Lady character in Ebichu is 25 years old, and this is meant to be alarming. I used to think of her cheating boyfriend as a rather disgusting character. But now I don't feel that as much; it's like he obviously doesn't and shouldn't be thinking about any LTR with O.L., because O.L. treats Ebichu so terribly (Boyfriend seems to beat on Ebichu when it interferes with sex). Who would want to have children with her when she can't take care of a pet? Hilarious stuff: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLADCC35EE5C320577

  19. #19
    Senior Member flailer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Here, There, Most Anywwhere
    Posts
    811
    Reputation
    2709

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    Kyojiro Kagenuma San,
    I read all 3 parts, and want to thank you for your insight & work on this!!
    I can't seem to "rep" you as much as I would, if the forum would allow.

  20. #20
    Senior Member Devil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    East Coast, USA
    Posts
    519
    Reputation
    3179

    Re: FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills

    One last thing before I log out, guys: I'm doing my best to write just what was suggested here. A sci-fi novel with a MGTOW slant to it. Hell, I've had a few of those. When they're ready, I'll post some excerpts here and maybe garner some support. Anyway, I really enjoy these even though I just now read all three. Are there any further insights to come? I certainly hope so.


Similar Threads

  1. FEATURED -- Grass Fed 2: Herbivore Men and Japan's Troubling Economy
    By Kyojiro Kagenuma in forum Featured Articles (from GYOW)
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: March 9, 2014, 1:26 AM
  2. FEATURED -- Grass Fed 1: An Introduction of Herbivore Men - The Grass-Eaters
    By Kyojiro Kagenuma in forum Featured Articles (from GYOW)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: March 1, 2014, 1:14 PM
  3. FEATURED -- Grass Fed 3: Green Grass and Red Pills
    By Kyojiro Kagenuma in forum Action
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: February 25, 2014, 4:39 AM
  4. Replies: 6
    Last Post: February 25, 2014, 2:08 AM
  5. Replies: 2
    Last Post: February 24, 2014, 3:40 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •