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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    I think completely moving past the "shitposting" would do us more harm than good.
    OK, how about not get rid of it by try to drive the ratio in Lounge from 30 'She's a Cunt' posts to every 1 'Here's what I'm doing what my life' posts - to 15 to 1.

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdenour View Post
    I can't go beyond the red pill rage since I never went through the red pill rage.
    I don't have red pill rage any more than I have weather rage against North Dakota, once I found out how cold it gets there in Winter, despite how bad I hate cold weather. I simply never set foot there, and I live in California.

    True, there is a difference. I am not biologically programmed to be tempted by living in North Dakota. So, I don't need regular booster shots to stay away. But rage .... nahhhh !

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    OK, how about not get rid of it by try to drive the ratio in Lounge from 30 'She's a Cunt' posts to every 1 'Here's what I'm doing what my life' posts - to 15 to 1.
    Remember how we started out with a "Living The Good Life" section? Maybe it's worth resurrecting...?

    (PS - I just saw that you "stickied" this at the top of The Lounge. Good move!)
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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Remember how we started out with a "Living The Good Life" section? Maybe it's worth resurrecting...?

    (PS - I just saw that you "stickied" this at the top of The Lounge. Good move!)
    One problem with specialized sections is that most people simply come to the lounge, as that's where the new material is. Kind of a catch 22. The reason the lounge is where the new material is is because that's where most people come.

    As I said before, either here on this forum or privately, I registered the domain name level4mgtow.com. If I ever get around to developing that site, it will include a forum (but there will be to it more than a forum). In that forum, there will be a designated smoking area, outside of which any discussion about women will be deleted. Such a policy would, however, be too drastic for goingyourownway.com, as this is a more inclusive forum, including for people needing regular She-Is-A-Cunt booster shots to avoid relapsing into relationshits.

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Your trying to decide if base jumping's worth it. If it's the thrill of flight you want, great. If it's that, and you like the idea of doing something no one else would look at, that's cool. If your mostly doing it for bragging rights, that's ok, but bragging rights won't mean much to you thirty years from now. Don't get me wrong, they'll mean something, just not as much.

    You'd probably make a fine jumper, if that's what you want.
    Thanks Frog,

    It's definitely not the bragging rights that calls to me about the wing suit, I've finally gotten past giving a shit about what others think about me and my lifestyle. I've lived in the south eastern USA most of my life (the Vatican of TradCon) and as Ive posted earlier, most of my long term old friends from home and family likely consider me a "loser" now because of my decisions to no longer reproduce or get married.

    Because I don't go full bore Red Pill on them and merely state that TradCon isn't my goal or lifestyle, I tend to suddenly get the simpathetic, kid glove "Oh, you'll find someone someday! Your a great catch, you'll make a girl SOOO happy!! In fact, my friend Becky just got out of a ...... (Blah blah blah). I fucking hate sympathy, more than even malice when directed at me.

    I haven't "unleashed the Fury" of red pill on my TradCon family or old friends because honestly, there's no point. It's a waste of my own effort. They are all in their mid 30's or later, married with children and following the TradCon path as they were taught their whole lives. They are all 100% bought into the system, they are so invested that a 20 minute tirade of ManontheMountain giving a soap-box speech will do nothing but waste my time.

    Back to topic: I believe my desire to indulge in Wingsuit BASE jumping is from mans inherent desire to fly. To continue on Mankinds quest to conquer the unconquerable, go where no man has gone before and tame the wild frontier. Mankind has tried to conquer the skies throughout history, and until the Wright brothers cracked the code with the airplane it was considered impossible. Now while flying an airplane is definitely amazing, I feel like there is something lost from being "inside" the airplane. Because your inside the cockpit, you aren't truly nose to the wind, soaring like an eagle. It's the airplane that is flying, you just happen to be sitting in it.

    I think what Mankind has strove for in past history was precisely a Wingsuit, rather than a flying machine (airplane). You see the failed attempts of a wingsuit time and again in old black and white videos and short films. But today, during my lifetime, someone finally did it. We are still in the first generation of Men that can truly spread their wings like an eagle and fly like a bird with no engine, even if only for a short while.

    I guess it would be like the difference between riding in a submarine and scuba diving. I'd much rather actually BE in the water, feel the ocean all around me, swimming in the Abyss, rather than sitting dry and looking through a tiny port hole at a glimpse of the deep.

    So I think my strong desire to Wingsuit is directly related to MGTOW. I think this just might be what Mankind does when he's liberated from the shackles of gynocentrism, he once again pushes forward into that uncharted territory to do the impossible. Embracing the pioneering spirit, even when we work alone, we use the past discoveries of our fellow Man as stepping stones to go ever more outward. I obviously didn't invent the wingsuit... But I will be linked with our Brother that did when I put it on and take flight. The next question is how far can we go with it? For how long? Every year we continue to break new records, fly further, faster for longer. I believe that this, quite possibly, could be THE true essence of what makes Mankind so unique among the rest of the animal kingdom. Not just with flying, but with every facet of human existence.

    Since I'm apparently the adrenaline junkie, my mind takes me here. But what about you all? I'm even more excited about those of us with the 10 pound brains... My God what we can accomplish in our lifetime with AI, with space travel, with Quantum physics, with philosophy!

    Imagine if the great philosophers of old had the Internet... Where they could discuss the complexities of Man in real time with the wise men across the globe. We are that new generation that can do that. Lets do that. In fact... We ARE doing that. Right Now.

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Remember how we started out with a "Living The Good Life" section? Maybe it's worth resurrecting...?

    (PS - I just saw that you "stickied" this at the top of The Lounge. Good move!)
    I'm still holding out for a Health and Fitness/Wellbeing section.
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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by William Noy View Post
    I'm still holding out for a Health and Fitness/Wellbeing section.
    Lets just post it all in the Lounge and tag it. See my post on Reading. The LGL sub-forum had very little traffic. I'd say let's encourage people to post more of that here.

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    I hope we will still hold some compassion for the new guys coming to our door. Some of the MGTOW videos out there got me pretty worked up. When we choose the MGTOW path we must remember who helped us take the first step. There will be those that choose to just spin their tires of hate but with some coaching , some kids might find the healing I found here. We are new at this and most men will come to the RP/ MGTOW gates at some time in varying degrees of
    " What the fuck is going on!"

    I'm not a fan of the cunt posts anymore, but it was healthy to see the battle field and forgive those that know not what they do.
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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Just lucked into this- I want me a wing suit! In all seriousness, this is exactly what I see MGTOW being about.. Blasting through the glass ceiling society puts there and seeing just how far we can take ourselves. I'm Doing s bungee jump soon, first step on the way to mastering fear of heights, BASE jump will be my ultimate goal

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfred View Post
    Just lucked into this- I want me a wing suit! In all seriousness, this is exactly what I see MGTOW being about.. Blasting through the glass ceiling society puts there and seeing just how far we can take ourselves. I'm Doing s bungee jump soon, first step on the way to mastering fear of heights, BASE jump will be my ultimate goal
    Please let us know how your jump goes and enjoy it!

    So is BASE your ultimate goal, or BASE with a wing suit? Mine is with a wing suit personally, but even standard BASE is fucking hardcore. Watched some good YouTube vids yesterday that were unedited and you really got to see and hear the fear/adrenaline coursing through the veins of these guys. Got my blood pumping good!!!

    Most vids are edited to just show the jumpers carelessly leaping off... The ones I found showed the pre-jump jitters.... The second guessing, the paranoia, the sheer magnitude of realizing what they are about to do.

    My first skydiving instructor put it best: "Skydiving and BASE jumping is suicide... without the commitment."

    Every time your body reaches terminal velocity during free fall, you've actively made imminent death a 100% probability. In order to survive at that point and change the odds, you HAVE to actively prevent your own death. Every single jump.

    This, in my opinion, is what makes it the best experience in the world. Better than sex, on par with War.

    There is no better feeling than cheating death, then laughing in its face.

    It's the ultimate drug. Acquaintances become best friends. Shitty beer tastes like champagne, all the wiminz ripe for the plucking, the world is your oyster after cheating death. But the high fades... And you've got to do it again to make the colors pop.

    I agree that this is what MGTOW is really about; All the great shit we can now do and explore once we're off the plantation.

    Of course, it's always fun to roast a white knight or cunt every other day too, but these discussions (and the new AMA concept Jagr and Beijaflor are doing) are what keeps me coming back.

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfred View Post
    Just lucked into this- I want me a wing suit! In all seriousness, this is exactly what I see MGTOW being about.. Blasting through the glass ceiling society puts there and seeing just how far we can take ourselves. I'm Doing s bungee jump soon, first step on the way to mastering fear of heights, BASE jump will be my ultimate goal
    I get what you guys are talking about here. Free-fall is absolutely awesome, and the heights and the view as well. I have done my first skydive while I was travelling, and I may do some wingsuit jumps in the future. Climbing up mountains and flying down.. I indulge in the fantasy at least.

    The jump starts at about 2:50.



    However, I have to warn of the risks involved in such extreme sports. My dad was a mountaineer and I am one as well. My dad was denied access on an everest expedition because he was known for being ''too cautious'', but I am glad that he is. Many of the mountaineering friends my dad had when he was in his twenties are not around any more. Just when I think of 2016, two friends of us have fallen already. One friend of my dad on tricky rocks in Oman. He fell about ten metres. Normally you put a nut or a friend (climbing equipment) in the rocks every five metres or so. He didn't do it, because he was low on these, and then he slipped, fell down ten metres to his last friend and broke both of his feet, just because of bad planning (taking too little equipment with him).

    A friend of mine fell twenty metres in Belgium, just because of bad communication with her rope partner. She could have been dead, but she landed on a very soft and sandy piece of ground. She was very fucking lucky and only broke a few ribs and her ankle.

    Whether it is climbing, scubadiving or base jumping. Checking procedures have to be strict. Risk needs to be managed. These are all awesome and adventurous activities, but there is quite a bit of risk involved.

    Sorry for the buzzkill.

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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    If it can kill you, it's a sport, not a hobby.
    That's actually a really GOOD definition.
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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by ikbenrein View Post
    Whether it is climbing, scubadiving or base jumping. Checking procedures have to be strict. Risk needs to be managed. These are all awesome and adventurous activities, but there is quite a bit of risk involved.

    Sorry for the buzzkill.
    Thanks for the sober reality check, Rein.

    Scuba training (even at the basic recreational level) includes learning about diving injuries, and the examples and explanations are often grisly. At that basic level -- say, diving no deeper than 60 feet (20 meters), in open water (no wreck/cavern penetration), sticking with your dive-guide and returning to the surface in a timely fashion you can generally dive safely and the risks of injuring yourself are reasonably small.

    Technical diving is more demanding, and the risks are much higher. When you go inside a wreck, a cavern or a cave, even a short distance, stirred-up silt can blind you and leave you groping for the exit. The risks of "deco" diving, where you go deep enough and stay long enough that you need staged decompression stops on your way up, are exponentially greater than in recreational diving. Mixed-gas diving, from enriched air (with added oxygen) to tri-mix blends (the simplest of these is "heliair," air mixed with helium to get a lower level of nitrogen and oxygen) add the complication of gas management; you may be using air to get below 100 feet, tri-mix for the major part of the dive, and a "deco mix" with a high level of oxygen for decompression.

    I'm pushing "recreational limits" by going side-mount, but I'm an air-hog and this lets me carry two tanks ... but I pay for it with more complex gas-management, which borders on technical diving.
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    Re: Beyond Red Pill Rage: Achieving Escape Velocity and exploring a New World

    Quote Originally Posted by BeijaFlor View Post
    Thanks for the sober reality check, Rein.

    Scuba training (even at the basic recreational level) includes learning about diving injuries, and the examples and explanations are often grisly. At that basic level -- say, diving no deeper than 60 feet (20 meters), in open water (no wreck/cavern penetration), sticking with your dive-guide and returning to the surface in a timely fashion you can generally dive safely and the risks of injuring yourself are reasonably small.

    Technical diving is more demanding, and the risks are much higher. When you go inside a wreck, a cavern or a cave, even a short distance, stirred-up silt can blind you and leave you groping for the exit. The risks of "deco" diving, where you go deep enough and stay long enough that you need staged decompression stops on your way up, are exponentially greater than in recreational diving. Mixed-gas diving, from enriched air (with added oxygen) to tri-mix blends (the simplest of these is "heliair," air mixed with helium to get a lower level of nitrogen and oxygen) add the complication of gas management; you may be using air to get below 100 feet, tri-mix for the major part of the dive, and a "deco mix" with a high level of oxygen for decompression.

    I'm pushing "recreational limits" by going side-mount, but I'm an air-hog and this lets me carry two tanks ... but I pay for it with more complex gas-management, which borders on technical diving.
    Agreed, thanks Rein! While I've partook in many dangerous activities my whole life, Ive never gone to the full extreme on any of them (except war).

    For instance, I only do recreational scuba diving as Beijaflor describes. I am advanced certified so I do go deeper, but have not yet gone past 100 ft. I've also done a few night dives, nearly every dive has been on or in a shipwreck (welcome to the east coast), and swam with Sand Tiger Sharks, but those weren't (or didn't seem to) be as dangerous as they sound.

    I've never done deep dives or technical dives, never had to decompress. Don't really want to honestly... As Ive said before, the deepest I ever want to go is 120ft, and that's only to see a sunken Nazi submarine.

    As for skydiving, Ive got my A-License and have only done plane jumps at high altitude (3,500ft or above). Counterintuitive to most thought, higher is much safer. Gives you
    More time to fix malfunctions, open a reserve chute if necessary and fix line twists.

    After just a few seconds your falling at terminal speed anyways, it's not like you keep dropping faster.

    I think BASE jumping looks the most terrifying to me... More than wingsuit
    Jumping, because with BASE your opening in really close proximity to whatever you just jumped off of.

    The danger of being ghusted back into a structure or rock face is immense, and although there's techniques to fold your chute so it opens forward (in theory) a gust of wind can change that quickly. I just watched some horrifying videos of BASE jumps gone wrong, almost all are jumpers being blown into rock faces or buildings. They are just getting pummeled, with a now half inflated parachute to slow their brutal descent.

    I fear serious injury MUCH more than death. If something kills me, by God... I don't want to know about it!

    Lastly; Beijaflor, I'll ask you a dive question, but on your ask me anything thread!


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