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    So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    So What’s All This MGTOW Thing?

    Men Going Their Own Way are men who have:


    • Seen through the Big Lie of society’s ‘Women are perfect, loving Angels™' and 'Males are disposable utilities™'. Our opposites, the 'Real Men™' of society, accept the Lie and view women as the ultimate prize in life; thus sacrifice themselves fully for women and society... just... because.


    • An unusually strong ability to self-validate and self-define, rather than needing society’s, and women’s, external validation/definition.


    They’ve taken an objective look (‘taken the red pill’) at what’s really going on behind the curtain (of ‘the blue pill world’), and said, ‘Screw all that – gone fishing.’

    Women are not the perfect centre of the Universe; and men are not demons, or disposable toasters, emotional tampons or ATMs.

    It isn’t a movement, since it doesn’t have a strong unity of purpose or political end goal that must be reached (thus ‘marriage strike’ is an inaccurate term for MGTOW), and it isn’t a temporary trend and drift in thought: Timeless it is, though it’s on a massively larger scale than it ever has been in the past. Though it goes by many names, it is huge numbers of men, across the world, walking their own path and enjoying the walk itself – in a way that, historically, only a handful of Sages and other Great Men did. It has been termed a ‘Male Renaissance’.

    It is notable that an awful lot of (and possibly most) MGTOW were thinking that way, and living that life, long before they were even aware that there was such a thing as 'MGTOW'.

    So it isn’t a cult, since it has no semi-worshiped leader, or much of an ideology (and certainly no ideological-purity police) and very little by way of prescribed or proscribed lifestyle - by definition. Some live simply, to starve the beast and maximise their free time, but some work hard to be able to afford their expensive dream in life. OK, folks are innately tribal (with all that in/out group stuff that goes with that), and men are competitive, so there are sometimes bitter rivalries between little sub-groups of MGTOW... but that’s more ‘boys will be boys’ than real ideological schism.

    It is a founding principle of this forum that we try to break this internecine cycle, and stop being our own cannibalistic worst enemy.

    MGTOW are not ‘angry misogynists who can’t get laid’. To be sure, some of us got our look behind the curtain due to trauma committed by a woman being a woman, aided and abetted by the State and Culture, and have every right in the world to be angry... though, ideally, this is just a natural early part of the male healing process, and MGTOW are staunchly and resolutely against violence and the advocacy for violence. (We hold an essential moral high-ground that Feminism, for instance, does not.)

    Such poorly used men will get precious little sympathy, or even the all-important empathy, from gynocentric/misandric society; but they can get some in places like this, plus a better understanding of what really happened to them and why – such things being important to the responsible, logical-reasoners and problem-solvers that we are as men.

    They do ‘get laid’ (and some even have a girlfriend or a wife), or can ‘get laid’ but choose not to; either way, what sets them apart from others is their choice is an internal one, based on the ‘eyes wide open’ knowledge of the actual risks of this activity.

    There is no starry-eyed pedestalisation of women, no defining self-worth by the externality of female approval/how much sex you get (such folk would be more the stereotypical PUAs than MGTOW). There is being mindful of false accusations, the female ‘gun in the room’ that the State and Culture gives to them at birth, the games that women’s rationalisation hamsters play, and the ‘Oops’ pregnancy trap, etc.

    Ghosts (a sub-set of MGTOW) choose to not ‘get laid’ for various reasons. If they’d actually really like to, but can’t, then it is the woman's choice, not theirs. Such people are termed ‘involuntary celibates’ (‘incels’). Though I sympathise with these fellas, they are not MGTOW, and shouldn’t be confused with MGTOW. They have their own path, which is not ours.

    Another thing that tends to set MGTOW apart from others, is pretty hardcore Biological Essentialism: most of human nature, and therefore human Culture, is primarily driven by human biology. The opposed Social Constructivist ‘Blank Slate’ rubbish is the darling of Feminists, SJWs, Communists, ‘Academia’ generally now and everyone else who is besotted with freakish social-engineering projects – you won’t find much of it in MGTOW circles.

    One way to understand the difference between MGTOW and MRAs is that the former focus on the individual, and MRAs focus on societal change. They are not inconsistent, and in some cases, our worldviews may overlap. But one simple way to think about it is that MGTOW focus on the individual arena and MRAs focus on the system, and the system's effect on all men. MGTOW could be considered pragmatists, and MRAs could be considered idealists. There are various thoughts amongst MGTOW about what a better future could be, and how we could arrive at that... though, to be honest, most MGTOW are primarily focused on their individual circumstances. Often, they’re too busy enjoying their own lives and holding up the middle finger to society’s inequitable and hypocritical ‘Thou shalt Man Up!’

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Oh noes, it's been edited! *flounces off in a big artistic strop!* Nah, it's fair enough mate - I suspected that you might tinker with... certain bits LOL! Now I've got to get to work on the Glossary.

    Cheers.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    That's a great breakdown of what is and is not MGTOW. Nice job.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    This should be front page so every new viewer sees it and reads it. It should be the first thing any viewer should see when they enter going your own way forums.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    I agree with Hellgorama. At the very least, it should be the Absolute Top-Of-The-Index Sticky Thread of MGTOW 101.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Cheers for the approval folks! There're so many posts here that I want to read and comment on, but I'm working on a kind of glossary (more of a mini discussion I guess) of the terms we often use, at the moment (plus some other stuff) - seems like it should be a higher priority.

    It's all taking longer than I'd like, since my poor computer's packing in - I'll get there in the end. Cheers everyone!

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Being part of MGTOW is passive resistance at its best. World ouside of "it's all about my vagina" is men's world in true sense. It's everything we love to use our time for, just like when we were boys and life was endlessly fun and interesting and full of adventures.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Thanks -- insightful as it was accurate.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    I agree with almost everything except the sense that there is an inherently misandric society (if there is then it's a blip compared to what came before. Sure some of us have been victimized by life circumstances, but I prefer to not think of myself as a victim. I believe we have to take at face value the understandable backlash against patriarchy. From the perspective of generational trauma it makes perfect sense. Some of this generation of women are out for blood (sometimes unconsciously), and in many cases rightfully so, this is actually why the idea of men voluntarily "dropping out" and refusing to participate is the only sensible option. This position also easily extends to the gruelling life of dangerous and unhealthy work in a brutal system. Its just not worth dying for this arrangement anymore. But if I dont have kids or a long-term girl I can survive on practically nothing (or work as much as I want)
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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by Bankei View Post
    I agree with almost everything except the sense that there is an inherently misandric society (if there is then it's a blip compared to what came before. Sure some of us have been victimized by life circumstances, but I prefer to not think of myself as a victim. I believe we have to take at face value the understandable backlash against patriarchy. From the perspective of generational trauma it makes perfect sense. Some of this generation of women are out for blood (sometimes unconsciously), and in many cases rightfully so, this is actually why the idea of men voluntarily "dropping out" and refusing to participate is the only sensible option. This position also easily extends to the gruelling life of dangerous and unhealthy work in a brutal system. Its just not worth dying for this arrangement anymore. But if I dont have kids or a long-term girl I can survive on practically nothing (or work as much as I want)
    Bob Marley says it well "No Woman, No cry"
    You're all over the place here.

    Misandricism is a "blip" on what came before?

    "I prefer not to think of myself as a victim" - the words of a victim in denial.

    The "understandable backlash against patriarchy"? Oh fuck off!

    Some of this generation of women are out for blood (sometimes unconsciously), and in many cases rightfully so,
    I assume you meant subconsciously, if they're unconcious they aren't out for anything much.

    Rightfully so? O.K. I'll give you that in SOME cases this may be true, but to characterise it as many cases suggests that they are usually warranted in "being out for blood". This is just not true.

    Then you say:

    Its just not worth dying for this arrangement anymore. But if I dont have kids or a long-term girl I can survive on practically nothing (or work as much as I want)
    Bob Marley says it well "No Woman, No cry"
    A throw-in at the end to try to convince us that you are MGTOW which you obviously are not.

    Thanks for trying, it gave me a good chuckle. Expect a visit from one of our illustrious mods. Post reported.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    You're all over the place here.

    Misandricism is a "blip" on what came before?

    "I prefer not to think of myself as a victim" - the words of a victim in denial.

    The "understandable backlash against patriarchy"? Oh fuck off!



    I assume you meant subconsciously, if they're unconcious they aren't out for anything much.

    Rightfully so? O.K. I'll give you that in SOME cases this may be true, but to characterise it as many cases suggests that they are usually warranted in "being out for blood". This is just not true.

    Then you say:



    A throw-in at the end to try to convince us that you are MGTOW which you obviously are not.

    Thanks for trying, it gave me a good chuckle. Expect a visit from one of our illustrious mods. Post reported.
    It's nothing short of holding up a sign for women's equality.

    I concur with Jack's suspicion, move it to nonmembers where women's rights belong!
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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by mgtower View Post
    It's nothing short of holding up a sign for women's equality.

    I concur with Jack's suspicion, move it to nonmembers where women's rights belong!
    Say what?

    Bankei, if a member yanked our chain like you did on your first post, we'd blow it off. But since rookies are held on a shorter leash, it's not ok.

    You're not acting like someone who wants to make the place better and is just having a little fun. So, if you really want to become a member check the principles and do us a proper intro. And the job won't be done till we say it is. Blow us off and your toast.

    If this were Mr. Bankei's thread, opposing views would be a good place for it.
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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    Say what?

    Bankei, if a member yanked our chain like you did on your first post, we'd blow it off. But since rookies are held on a shorter leash, it's not ok.

    You're not acting like someone who wants to make the place better and is just having a little fun. So, if you really want to become a member check the principles and do us a proper intro. And the job won't be done till we say it is. Blow us off and your toast.

    If this were Mr. Bankei's thread, opposing views would be a good place for it.
    He (she?) has set his type to "feminist Mgtow".

    I don't think there's much of a doubt as to where this person's allegiance lies.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    He (she?) has set his type to "feminist Mgtow".

    I don't think there's much of a doubt as to where this person's allegiance lies.
    I missed that, but the payphone has already settled their hash. I didn't think they'd be back anyway.
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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by frog View Post
    If this were Mr. Bankei's thread, opposing views would be a good place for it.
    Indeed, but since it's not his thread, the thread stays, he goes.

    He registered as a self-described "Feminist MGTOW". There is no such thing. He's a feminist. He undermines the term MGTOW by saying that and here he seeks to undermine MGTOW by explaining it as if some sort of intellectual observer, parsing it down to bite-size digestible pieces, making things palatable.

    And isn't that just what feminists do? Only a feminist would try to insert the concept of victimhood as the assumed stance of men, for which he informs us of a better way to look at it. Barf.

    Well, he can go sit with the wimmenz who resonate with all things victimhood and where he can understand himself and the velvet leash he's wearing.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by Unboxxed View Post
    He undermines the term MGTOW by saying that and here he seeks to undermine MGTOW by explaining it as if some sort of intellectual observer, parsing it down to bite-size digestible pieces, making things palatable.
    Hmm.

    Tell me Unboxxed, do you see MGTOW as a movement or a collection of likeminded individuals?

    I ask for a reason.

    The former can be undermined, the latter cannot.

    I’m firmly in the latter category.

    We cannot be undermined because we don’t give two fucks what others think of us.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Hmm.

    Tell me Unboxxed, do you see MGTOW as a movement or a collection of likeminded individuals?

    I ask for a reason.

    The former can be undermined, the latter cannot.

    I’m firmly in the latter category.

    We cannot be undermined because we don’t give two fucks what others think of us.
    All they can do is silence us through censorship, in other words, pissing allover our 1st amendment (so called) rights. Therein giving way, passage, and rights to more aggressive and extreme forms of dissention, eventually escalating to civil disorder, iron fisted control, with both in escalation until one snuffs out the other.

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    Re: So What’s All This MGTOW Thing? - by HamstaBlasta

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackoff View Post
    Hmm.

    Tell me Unboxxed, do you see MGTOW as a movement or a collection of likeminded individuals?

    I ask for a reason.

    The former can be undermined, the latter cannot.

    I’m firmly in the latter category.

    We cannot be undermined because we don’t give two fucks what others think of us.
    No, no, no, no, no. That was not any distinction I was making.

    He's trying to criticize from within. Undermine is a fair word. Not in the collective sense you are making.
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