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    MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    We’ve said MGTOW is about awareness; awareness about the actual nature of women. Well what is the actual nature of the modern woman?


    MGTOW Awareness of Women

    If a man from 50 years back took a time machine to today, got a glimpse and had a 5 minute conversation with women today, he would zip back in time. It’s not much of an argument to assert that women today are in steep decline. But the key questions are: how so and why?

    We’ll summarize the MGTOW awareness of the modern woman:

    Women are less feminine than they used to be.
    They have tattoos, they smoke, they drink (often heavily), they use profanity. They exhibit more aggression- terribly unpleasant in women. They raise their voice, they are combative. She walks with her chin up and male body posture.

    When women are not feminine, men cannot develop deep attraction to them.

    Women lack basic traits we value.
    A popular MGTOW blog articulated a set of traits the modern woman needs, and they are: Nurturing, Supportive, Responsibility, Respectfulness, Honesty. Women may have had these....once. Then along came feminism (for more: see The Great Regression).
    Rather than be nurturing, a woman has regressed to the point she is repulsed by the weakness in her male partner.
    She cringes when she sees it, feels contempt towards the man, and attempts to vine-swing to another man.

    A woman is hardly supportive. A woman will stick stubbornly to her plans and superimpose them over yours, because doing anything else would be “submissive”. The dreaded S word. They would rather scream and claw at you in the parking lot over trivia than show any sign of submission, also called being reasonable and sometimes agreeing with the other person.


    She avoids Responsibility because she has been taught all her life she is a Princess and can externalize her problems at the hand of society or men. Rather than be Respectful, she has a chip on her shoulder against men, a resentment that has been intentionally stirred up in her by feminists and a slanted media.

    A woman’s opportunism has never made her the most Honest; it’s just now, women can justify their untruths by saying “they felt threatened” or engage in
    trickle truth, and ultimately play the victim. A growing number of blue-pill men (made that way by feminist social engineering) usually give them a pass; women learn they can get away with it.

    Men want an asset in a relationship, not a liability. Without these traits, women are simply substandard men who impose on us their own agenda.

    Women are fat
    Men select women for genetic and physical fitness. Women select men for a variety of traits, including status. For this reason, it is even more important for women to be in shape. However, more women are obese than men.

    Men can always offer intelligence, status, money, and a steady, commanding presence. A woman’s appearance is crucial and increasingly women fail this basic standard.


    Women are defensive
    Women have a chip on their shoulder. This makes them unwilling to be vulnerable, open, smile. They are on the defensive against men, because they have been taught to be that way. They will lash out at a BF for simply saying something the wrong way.

    Much of a woman’s resentment against men arises out of her own failed sexual strategy; wherein she pursues men out of her league, who inevitably dump her. She blames men for this and not herself.


    Overcoming a woman’s resentment of men is more trouble than it’s worth.

    Women are delusional
    Women are delusional about their actual sexual market and relationship value. Because higher value men are willing to sleep with average women (but not commit), the average women mistakenly think they ‘deserve’ a man of that kind. When no one does, she refuses to accept her actual SMV and mate assortively with a man of similar SMV. She will end up becoming the reclusive superhero known as the Cat Lady, or become a Heroic Single Mom , or marry, be miserable, and always be pining for the alpha men she could never get.

    Women assume 80% of men are below-average. But society and the Twat Echo Chamber has always told her she’s beautiful. You can imagine the chaos this causes in the relationship marketplace.

    Feminism has Primed Women to Fight with Men
    When women come into a relationship hearing horror stories about how men “bully” women, any imagined slight becomes a reason to fight. Her “honor” depends on wearing the pants in the relationship. Her idea of being a “strong, independent” woman is not sacrifice on behalf of her man or her family. It is selfishly fighting for her own interests at the expense of others.

    The Cock Carousel Yields Damaged Women
    A woman is not the same after the cock carousel. She loses the ability to pair bond, she devalues any man who isn't alpha, she grows to resent and distrust men in general, she loses faith in love and only seeks to use men for her final life goal: having children in a socially acceptable vehicle of marriage.

    The relationship trauma of a hundred pump and dumps has injured her psyche and personality permanently. For more, see
    The Broken Woman.

    Women Want Alphas -- or Enter a Resentful Relationship with an 80%’er Male
    What we observe today is the cock carousel, where 20% of the men get the lion’s share of the women. This is how it was in the past, pre-traditionalism;
    no surprise then that their behavior today is the same because
    The Great Regression has regressed women to their jungle nature.

    From there, they develop
    Alpha Widow syndrome, forever pining over alpha males they couldn’t keep. They reset their expectations to that higher level of SMV in a man. Even average looking chicks are trying to score with alphas or otherwise be avoiders.

    Though some settle for beta males (or 80%’ers), they are rarely happy about it. Once primed with the jungle instinct, women cannot shift back into viewing relationships with their neo-cortex and taking the long view of compatibility. It is all about Tingles and 80%’ers don’t do it for her. Women typically resent their beta male life partners. Even when married, they yield to alphas and demonstrate alpha groupie behavior.

    By the time, some women are ready for assortative mating, they are both damaged (see “broken woman”) and they cannot value the mate they want to spend the rest of their life with. Some relationship! Don’t get me wrong, an 80%’er male can very much have a relationship or get married if he wants to -- but fewer and fewer want to, for reasons mentioned.

    The Modern Regressed Woman has a Jungle Mentality unconducive to Relationships
    The jungle mentality is a result of the regression to Paleolithic, pre-traditionalist instincts over traditional common sense. What this means is that a woman is processing her relationship world with her hindbrain, using hardwired instincts formed millennia ago. For all intents and purposes, she is still “in the jungle” as far as this region of the brain is concerned. This changes her mentality in many ways:


    • Hostility towards a Man's Problems: In the wild, women had contempt for male weakness because it jeopardized their survival. So when the regressed modern woman sees a man lose a social interaction, or have a cold, or suffer the loss of one of his parents passing, she loses attraction for him. She may even develop contempt for him. She will often go looking for another man if the weakness is too much. The one thing she won’t do is be there for him.


    • Alpha Worship & Vine-Swinging: the modern woman is always ready to vine swing. That’s why you hear women today say “I don’t believe relationship should be about hard work. If it’s work, why bother?”. They always have one foot out the door. 10 years hooked on alpha cock does not disappear overnight. The modern woman habituates to sexual strategy used; unlike men, she cannot compartmentalize and move on with her life. She will flirt with alpha males she sees in the restaurant, your friends, God forbid your boss - it will simply happen and she will be unapologetic about it, or even acting on it. Her cheating will be justified on an “amazing connection” she felt with a guy; any BS post-hoc rationalization to justify the drug-like high of Tingles that she refuses to stare down in her sexual prime and now has become an addiction.
    • The need for Tingles: the modern woman demands what she had in her 20s. Tingles. Even when married. This means she will constantly shit-test you and make you jump through hoops. You will need to maintain the perception of female options (a regressed woman only wants a pre-selected man with options who is choosing her to satisfy her narcissism). You will need to use dread game in order to keep her off balance and thinking you might be leaving her. Only through these psychological games can a modern woman be 'convinced' to remain in a relationship.


    A woman’s carousel or avoider behavior has altered her relationship approach permanently. It carries over into the relationship and creates massive headaches and unwanted behavior.

    Though a women was always opportunistic, traditionalism encouraged her to see the long-view, to know that life was about give and take. The erosion of traditionalism meant women defaulted to primitive instinct. In this world, Briffault’s Law is evermore important. In short, all man is good for is what he can do for her today; his past actions doesn’t accrue to the present.

    Men did not need traditionalism to retain future orientation- the understanding that relationships are built over time, to reciprocate over the long term. Women did. Without it, women are almost inhumanely opportunistic. It is a mindset that may have been fitting during the Paleolithic Era, but not now and certainly not the basis for a relationship.


    A long-term relationship cannot be built on a woman’s jungle mindset.

    The Broken Woman’s Guide to Dating
    Because a woman claims she has been played so often (ie: she knowingly chased bad boys who wouldn’t commit), she takes it out on 80%’ers she dates later on. She:

    • Makes them wait for sex: “I want to get to know you better”, “It’s special so it can wait”, “You’re not one of those guys?”. It may not be the "90 days" of 'Think Like a Man' but it can go on date after date after date. Why? Because it’s a shit-test to see if you’re a thirsty beta male. If you wait, you “passed” the test. A woman in some ways is using her sexuality against the man in a kind of delayed revenge against the men who lured her via Tingles; the 80%’er gets the payback, blue balls, and becomes the spreadsheet husband.
    • Insecurely raids his cell phone “because she’s been hurt before”, wants to know which girls he spends time with, cuts off friendships with single male friends -- and more, all in over-compensation for her relationship failures with more ‘prolific’ men before.


    The Entitlement of the Modern Woman Means “It’s her world”
    The modern woman gets the full “princess” treatment from society. She is a faultless angel. She can be “anything she wants” whereas young boys are scolded by largely female teachers growing up. An elite-funded media knowingly tips the scales in favor of women to create an adversarialism between men and women.

    Further, the sexual imbalance created by the majority of the women pursuing the same few men, means that the remaining men must tolerate a woman’s entitled mindset, or else. Women are simply not that interested in what a man wants from life; it’s her agenda, her friends.

    Chris Rock’s take on the modern woman is accurate,

    “...and the focus is all about her. It's all about her. She's already there, fellas, she's waiting for you to come aboard. Fellas, when you wake up in the morning, you should look yourself in the mirror and say, "Fuck you. Fuck your hopes, fuck your dreams, fuck your plans….let’s go out there and try to make this bitch happy”.
    Almost every guy in a relationship can attest to the fact that women try to take you away from your friends, after play-acting they like your hobbies try to ridicule you for them so you spend less time on them. Her whole life, society put her first, and she’s not about to be second any time soon.


    The traits of entitlement have various aspects: egocentrism, solipsism, rationalization, and narcissism. None of which are pleasant.

    Men don’t want a competing agenda; they want someone who’s willing to compromise, there has to be give and take.

    The Bitchy Behavior of Women Ready to "Settle"
    You cannot go on a date with a woman who's a late-20-something or older and not realize it. They are angry, bitter. They have what's called a permascowl, forever frowning and seething. Sometimes it's called Resting Bitch Face or a bitch shield.

    On a date, they will demand to be provided for, quiz the man on whether he can cook for her, what kind of car he has. It's not an honest inquiry into his lifestyle, but a brutal and demanding (and angry) set of questions as though he himself is nothing without his capacity and willingness to support her in one way or another.

    Where does this come from? Two places. First, modern society has imbued in women unrealistic expectations of "having it all", but they have not mentioned to her that everything in this world takes work. She expected the C-suite position in corporate America by virtue of "equality in gender outcomes" between men and women but never earned it; she left work at 4:50 PM to do happy hour with her friends and the plum position never came.

    So too did Hollywood tell her that she was "special", a "princess" - and Prince Charming would waltz into her life. Her early 20's, the height of her sexual desirability, saw man after man proposition her. Never did she think she would have to cultivate the kind of personality that would make a man want to stay. And none did.

    She spent her life worshipping alphas, and now has to settle for an 80% man- and she is NOT happy about it, or where she is in life in general. Assuming (and not working towards) lofty expectations will do that to you.

    The second reason is relationship failure. The cumulative psychological toll of being fucked and chucked by dozens of men has left a permanent sense of bitterness against men. Whereas a woman's subconscious instinct has been programmed over millennia to never lash out against alphas (for fear of consequence), she feels she can comfortable displace her anger at being discarded by men over and again (even though it was by a different set of men) on the new 80% man she meets. He will have to pay for the fact that some guy banged her at a house party, and then walked out the door, never to return her texts.

    The average guy does not want to have the bitterness of 100 pump and dumps that a woman endured displaced on to him as a "reward" for being the one man in her life that may be interested in her long term.


    Ridiculous Selection Criteria
    Ever notice how women used to pick gentlemen, and now almost all of them want "bad boys", "players". Ever notice how a fair number of these guys are douches or guys going nowhere in life? None of this is by accident. This is a result of the Great Regression. It is women choosing based on primitive instinct hypergamy , valuing social and physical dominance, rather than the actual value of a man or long-term compatibility.

    Upper bicep tattoo - good. Steady, well, paying job like accountant - bad (as it's boring). Mysterious, criminal past - good. Decent, respectful man- bad (as it's boring). The modern man is walking through a world that has been flipped on its head. In most cases, Actual Value is inversely proportional to Sexual Market Value.

    Women are unknowingly pursuing men with traits that would advantage them in 30,000 BC. Most men don't want to live down to that standard today.

    If attracting women means being something men don't want to be, they may simply pass.
    Last edited by jagrmeister; June 1, 2022 at 10:43 AM.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    Well said! I wish i was as eloquent and well spoken.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    Well said! when i read the las part " If attracting women means being something men don't want to be, they may simply pass" its soo true im the kind of guy that is a nice guy no tatoos or pircings or any of that sh*t. But i do try 95% too be as congruent and not give a F*ck if a girl liked what i like doing. Lots of times i have been able to "get" a girl by my confidence face too face and know how too talk too them but its a hassel lots of time and sometimes dosent work why? becose i dont have tatoos or been too jail or any of that BS but i got money but i dont show it why? i tell them 2 things : 1.OK your good looking just like me and the 99% of girls in the world, club you best have something else im going too be tired of you if not. With that lots of times if the girl REALLY wants too know me will prove her self and we got the GAME going if not they dont and i dont waste my time with a preaty face girl. Oh and i do tell them that that is not going too last they get angry with me and leave or insult me or they prove them selfes too me with other qualitys. 2.Never tell them i have cash i dont want a golddigger.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    Quote Originally Posted by jagrmeister View Post
    ...
    The Bitchy Behavior of Women Ready to "Settle"
    You cannot go on a date with a woman who's a late-20-something or older and not realize it. They are angry, bitter. They have what's called a permascowl, forever frowning and seething. Sometimes it's called Resting Bitch Face or a bitch shield.
    There is now software to measure the level of Resting Bitch Face in women !!!:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/health...rpt/index.html

    Download the article before CNN caves to a tsunami of SJWs and removes it.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    I think women before were good and should be a model. Compare to now, they are also good in their on ways. It will just depend on how the eyes of the beholder will interpret it.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladimeir15 View Post
    I think women before were good and should be a model. Compare to now, they are also good in their on ways. It will just depend on how the eyes of the beholder will interpret it.
    So women before, when they were more of parasites than ever were good? HOW.
    they may be bitchier and more entitled now, but how is that any worse?

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    I have some caveats. You acknowledge that women have regressed back to where they follow their primitive instincts. Yet at the same time the blame for that seems to go on the media and the culture. And the image is created that women somehow are nurtured into resentment towards men. So which is it then? Are women just following their primitive instincts and that is why they behave so ruthlessly towards the 80% of men? Or is it the environment?

    For example, i's true that women will see it in the way you describe and blame the 80% of men after the cock carousel for their own bad life choices. But do you think the attitude of these women would be any different towards these 80%ers if they never went into said carousel? Women already did not like these men from the very beginning. Hence why they avoid them, harass and bully them to the point where some of them become social outcasts if the men allow that to go too far. Hence their very strict preference for the top of men.

    It is less so that women are brainwashed by the media and more so that women use the leeway the media gives as an excuse to do what they want to do. The same with the cock carousel or any other of their own actions. They learned that they could use any ills that befell them and blame it on the 80%ers. Other than that a good read.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    Quote Originally Posted by Dalton View Post
    I have some caveats. You acknowledge that women have regressed back to where they follow their primitive instincts. Yet at the same time the blame for that seems to go on the media and the culture. And the image is created that women somehow are nurtured into resentment towards men. So which is it then? Are women just following their primitive instincts and that is why they behave so ruthlessly towards the 80% of men? Or is it the environment?
    This article does not discuss the "WHY", only the "WHAT" - which is the reality of the modern woman today. We do not discuss why this comes about here. There are other articles on the forum which do that. Bear in mind the human mind is neuroplastic; it is adjustable by cultural pressure. Generally culture lifts us beyond our animal nature (think of schools requiring punctuality and having endless rules for kids to follow, versus them running wild outside before schools were mandatory). Our behavior without cultural mores and guidelines is actually fairly base- men and women. Society has chosen to regress women by eroding traditionalism and claiming women alone should decide- this replaces modern, rationale thought with the Hamster- the unevolved mind of woman which did not evolve with society because they played no part in the rise of civilization. The rest is predictable.

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    How I, The Secret Shakespeare, bear witness against the '30 Year Woman' who I finally departed from back in 2016.
    I met her when she was still in junior high school, and I, a freshman in high school at the time...
    -- The Secret Will

    *******

    Miss Stephanie,

    All things must start upon this Foundation:

    What you 'feel' about what you 'believe' Me to be as a Man, both past and present, must be reformed within your Soul.
    It is not Me!!

    This is of Utmost Importance, for I do not 'judge' and 'forgive' like you believe these words to be.

    You have in your very possession possibly hundreds of letters (emails) which I have sent to you throughout this time (5 years) which convey My Essence...these are not common letters, and your very few responses to them have been what you know them to be.

    Forgiveness was granted by Me along time ago, but your unstable and destructive ways toward Me will be resisted with all My Masculine Being and Strength.

    In short, you have an unjust and actively vengeful nature toward Me...You are dangerous by habit, Miss Stephanie, and 'habit is the nursery of errors.'

    You have not labored in the same Good Spirit toward Me that I have labored in toward you.

    I have labored toward you in many letters and in firmly resisting the damage that you have done by involving others in our most private matters to win their blind favor and turn them against Me, and through talk and social media -- which I never partake in -- your poisonous words have gone well beyond My immediate family.
    I know this as being true.

    Your words and actions judge you, and you are known by these bitter fruits.

    What can be done with this Trail of Damage?
    Who will repair it?
    You must repair it!!

    Will we just automatically begin to be 'private friends' while all others see Me as what you have claimed that I am?

    Will you just have 'other friends' who you visit with in one way, and then visit with Me in another way?

    Are you two separate 'ways,' Stephanie?

    I, Daniel, now build only upon that which I Know and Love.
    All other ways are but folly and madness, destructive to True Friendship.

    You don't Guide here...I Guide.

    There must be Proofs of your heart's beginning to change, because words are cheap, and raw emotions are never solid.

    In Gentle Masculine Strength,
    Daniel

    *******

    The above letter was sent to her by Me after I received an 'apology' letter from her one day. Her letter was soon revealed as only a deceitful attempt to get back into My Life.
    When she was Rightly Tested she failed immediately, and she then raged at Me with filthy expletives and false accusations in her very next letter to Me.
    You must Test all people.
    -- The Secret Will

    P.S.
    I left her in 2016, the three children all of legal age.
    I sold the home in Flower Mound, Texas; I gave her $52,000 and everything in the house; I only took My aviation tools, My two rolling toolboxes, all of My personals and My $52,000, and I hit the road to Learn True Life!!
    To this very day, after 5 years, she still can't bring herself to file divorce papers against Me, and I have decided to let this Truth bear witness against Her since My wealth is untouchable.
    -- In Solemn and Firm Reflection,
    Daniel, 'TheSecretShakespeare'

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    Bro, you have made perfect points here that many man have been saying in the MGTOW forums for years. You GET IT.

    Recently, my roommate (who I rent a room to, for $500 a month) he is now dating a college graduated hot blonde -- fuvking her a few times a week in my house. So I own the house, and I own a business, and I am his landlord with far more networth and potential future value. He owns no furniture, rents a room, and make his money doing Uber Eats deliveries. The paradox of how women choose mates is a fvvcking joke bro.

    Admittedly, I do not put in the relentless legwork talking and texting women and wooing them into bed or a relationship. Im ghost and dont talk to any women at all. So he did his work in getting her into bed. And I know it wasnt easy, but it just goes to show you, a loser with no future, no assets, working a sh!t job can get access to prime poosy just because hes slender with a full head of hair. She will ride him and give her best years to sex with guys like him, while letting guys like me wander into the future single and unloved.

    The best part of it is, I DONT CARE. Go ahead ladies, keep it up. Every year, I get happier and richer, and it becomes ever more clear how SAFE I am from the horrible disaster that women become in their 40s. Im 36 and Im fluently aware of the target Ive become, and the devastation in store for my peers who are "happily married with kids". I spent YEARS reading the accounts of men on mgtow dot com. Hundreds of threads about the damn nightmares they went thru in their 40s. Dude, hell no. Hell no to getting access to some woman's sloppy hole shes been putting out to a hundred guys in her 20s and 30s. Now all the sudden she wants to "settle down" .... LOL. All you are to them is a retirement plan, a way to get a free ride and eventually hit the ejection button for cash and prizes. Seen it so many times, why the fvck would you volunteer to be rekt like that. CLueless morons do it everyday! Dont be that guy.

    Man up? NO! Man OUT. GHost em all, Hide Wealth, Dress Down, Pursue Self.
    Self Actualize. Love yourself and SPOIL YOURSELF. You are worth it, not some XX chromosome parasite.

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    Women are poison. I want nothing to do with 'em. To trust one is to put your survival at risk. Never give a woman legal or financial power over your life, which is women's preferred method of destroying men.

    No woman is more beautiful than your freedom.

    Women and their state pimps like their common men powerless, obedient, ignorant, emasculated, humiliated, easily exploitable and easily disposable.

    Until they completely destroy your life, ignorance and self-delusion are sheer bliss.
    Sex is the bait. Marriage is the trap. Divorce rape is the goal.

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    Re: MGTOW Awareness of the Actual Nature of Women

    Women exist purely to get pregnant and give birth, to propagate the species, nothing else. That is why they put so much focus on looks, to lure the male into impregnating them. Women are lousy at bringing up kids though as we see in society. It is up to the man to enforce morals and discipline. The father though has been cancelled.


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