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    OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Saudi to set marriage dowry at Dh50,000

    Number of spinsters in Saudi Arabia at more than 4 million

    "Saudi Arabia is planning to limit marriage dowries to SR50,000 (Dh50,000) following a surge in wedding expenses that led to a sharp rise in spinsters in the conservative Muslim Gulf Kingdom, newspapers reported on Wednesday . . .

    The new dowry is for virgin brides, while SR30,000 (Dh30,000) will be fixed for brides who have lost their virginity in previous marriages, the report said."
    http://www.emirates247.com/news/saud...08-19-1.600748

    Saudi men MGTOW with marriage strike?

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    So no matter which country you are women are the same.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    SR - that would be the Saudi Rial. About 4 SR to the USD, so 50kSR (virgin bride) comes to 12.5kUSD and 30kSR is $7,500.

    Compare:

    According to the most recent data from a 2013 report by Jewelers of America, couples spent an average of $4,000 on an engagement ring in 2012.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    a dowry is a woman's family paying the man. a bride-price or dower is the other way around. so, this is the government limiting what a man receives.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by wool.wizard View Post
    a dowry is a woman's family paying the man. a bride-price or dower is the other way around. so, this is the government limiting what a man receives.
    From the article - "Dowry, money paid by the groom to his bride under Islamic law, could exceed $1 million in some cases in Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich Gulf countries." That's contrary to what I found in my old Funk & Wagnall's, which matches wool.wizard's definition. (Although Funk & Wagnall defines 'dower' as equivalent to 'dowry.')

    Someone on the Emirates 24/7 editorial staff needs a better English dictionary.
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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    So if men are refusing to pay the bride price and spiking the number of spinsters from 1 million to 4 million, it looks like many Saudi men are going MGTOW and the government is trying to end the "marriage strike" by lowering the price for virgins and non-virgins.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    As some posters have pointed out above, a dowry is what the bride's parents pay to the groom's parents. What that article refers to is actually bride price (what the man pays to the bride's parents).
    Not all men are idiots - some are bachelors.


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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by CPRA View Post
    Saudi to set marriage dowry at Dh50,000

    Number of spinsters in Saudi Arabia at more than 4 million

    "Saudi Arabia is planning to limit marriage dowries to SR50,000 (Dh50,000) following a surge in wedding expenses that led to a sharp rise in spinsters in the conservative Muslim Gulf Kingdom, newspapers reported on Wednesday . . .

    The new dowry is for virgin brides, while SR30,000 (Dh30,000) will be fixed for brides who have lost their virginity in previous marriages, the report said."
    http://www.emirates247.com/news/saud...08-19-1.600748

    Saudi men MGTOW with marriage strike?
    Not surprising. The jig is up...the ponzi scheme is obvious. Run, forest Run.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Attention Walmart shoppers, this year we're having a special on virgins, only 13k.

    Pussy is tight but mouth is bigger than grand canyon.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    The idea that young Saudi men would go on marriage strike is fascinating. What are the underlying causes?

    The Saudi government has supported marriage, often providing new husbands with benefits such as cash, homes, cars, jobs. Saudi parents are eager to marry off their daughters and get grandchildren. Have they been so eager that prospective son-in-laws have demanded larger and larger bride prices? Are they asking for larger bride prices because the House of Saud has not been able to be so generous due to lower oil prices?

    And Saudi divorce laws are nothing like they are in the west. Their family laws recognize the husband as the head of the household to an extent that would make Roman concepts of "paterfamilias" seem quaint. Their laws and culture strongly support giving custody of sons over six years of age to the father, at an older age for daughters.

    Saudi men do not get "divorce raped," however, IIRC, they might have to give back the bride price if they divorce. And then there is their habit of stoning (?) or beheading(?) adulterous women to death and horse whipping adulterous men.

    I doubt Saudi men are becoming Japanese herbivores and losing interest in sex. However, Saudi men have few options to interact with the opposite sex and fewer options for casual sex. Sure, if they can travel to Dubai, they might be able to hook up with a guest worker making some money on the side, but how many do?

    So, what do we think is causing this government intervention in the marriage strike?

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    The Saudi government has supported marriage, often providing new husbands with benefits such as cash, homes, cars, jobs. Saudi parents are eager to marry off their daughters and get grandchildren. Have they been so eager that prospective son-in-laws have demanded larger and larger bride prices? Are they asking for larger bride prices because the House of Saud has not been able to be so generous due to lower oil prices?
    Sam, you're not the only one who has misunderstood this payola.

    The original Emirates 24/7 article said, "Dowry, money paid by the groom to his bride under Islamic law, could exceed $1 million in some cases in Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich Gulf countries." As Cyberdude said above, the payment referenced in the article is more properly called "bride price."

    I can see Mummy and Daddy setting a high bride-price to make sure they get a well-heeled son-in-law. I can very easily see Cupcake setting a high bride-price out of sheer avarice, to make sure she bags an 'alpha wallet'. And I can very easily see the Invisible Foot of government regulations mucking up the Bridal Marketplace and levying its toll of unintended consequences, inshallah, on the Saudi marriage-racket.
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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Uncertainty is a driving factor and I think people are not going to take risks that do not have much of a return of investment. The reality is that expectations for men have gone sky high while opportunities for work are shrinking. Unlike the Great Depressions of the past, there isn't light at the end of tunnel so men are choosing not to start families.

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    Re: OK Bachelors, 4 Millions Spinsters in Saudi Arabia - Lower Dowry Prices

    Quote Originally Posted by sam luis obispo View Post
    The idea that young Saudi men would go on marriage strike is fascinating. What are the underlying causes?

    The Saudi government has supported marriage, often providing new husbands with benefits such as cash, homes, cars, jobs. Saudi parents are eager to marry off their daughters and get grandchildren. Have they been so eager that prospective son-in-laws have demanded larger and larger bride prices? Are they asking for larger bride prices because the House of Saud has not been able to be so generous due to lower oil prices?

    And Saudi divorce laws are nothing like they are in the west. Their family laws recognize the husband as the head of the household to an extent that would make Roman concepts of "paterfamilias" seem quaint. Their laws and culture strongly support giving custody of sons over six years of age to the father, at an older age for daughters.

    Saudi men do not get "divorce raped," however, IIRC, they might have to give back the bride price if they divorce. And then there is their habit of stoning (?) or beheading(?) adulterous women to death and horse whipping adulterous men.

    I doubt Saudi men are becoming Japanese herbivores and losing interest in sex. However, Saudi men have few options to interact with the opposite sex and fewer options for casual sex. Sure, if they can travel to Dubai, they might be able to hook up with a guest worker making some money on the side, but how many do?

    So, what do we think is causing this government intervention in the marriage strike?
    I don't think they're particularly on strike.

    Just the usual economic pressures, you have 13k to pay to the family, you have a wedding to pay for, you have a wife to support, you have kids to support.

    Even if she was an anime fantasy girlfriend, you'd need to be pulling down 50 or 60 large just to get your foot in the door.


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